Talk:Skoptic syndrome

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I have removed a section about people taking medications, which I myself added a few months ago, because the term "Skoptic Syndrome" is being used to demonize those with a gender dysphoria similar to myself.

It is a term that was first coined in the 70's and is likely to disappear very soon, with the publication of the DSM-V

I personally find the term "Skoptic Syndrome" highly offensive and would like to see it disappear, along with words like "nigger", "faggot". It is offensive, and used to demonize a very real subsection of society who are perfectly healthy and are gender or body dysphoric and dysmorphic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.132.221 (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Using Victor T. Cheney as a reference

I do not think that Victor T. Cheney, who is used as a reference in the article, is a reliable source of information. Although he admits that there are disadvantages to castration, he still seems to think that castration is a miracle cure for a variety of maladies. He even recommends involuntary castration for those infected with HIV. In addition, his views on race have been outdated for many years and are scientifically inaccurate. For example, he claims, "In Germany, the Nordic stock actively fostered and maintained their purity under Hitler." The notion of racial purity was debunked decades ago (there are several other problems with his various racial comments). Also, he either offensively equates Mongolians with the mentally retarded or offensively uses "Mongolian" as a synonym for Down syndrome (it is not clear from the context which one it is). This all comes from the 2004 edition, so there is no excuse for the outdated information about race or the offensive use of the word "Mongolian".

He apparently has no degrees that make him qualified to write about the subject. We are told that, "He has been empowered to reveal first-hand insights based on his extensive research, and his personal health conditions both before and after castration." However, in my opinion, to be able to write intelligently about a medical procedure and its psychological and social effects (let alone to claim that you are "America's foremost authority on castration"), you need to have, at the least, a bachelor's degree that relates to the subject, such as pre-med or biological science. I have been unable to find out if Cheney ever went to college at all, but his mistakes in simple biology as well as his views on race make me suspect that he did not get a degree, at least not one that is relevant to the subject. Also, I think that a degree would have been mentioned on his web page for the book, as it contained a lot of other information about him. In addition, his first hand insights about the effects of his castration are not relevant to many of his claims, as he had his testicles removed due to prostate cancer. That is unless he also suffered from "schizophrenia, psychosis, violent behaviors, paraphilias, mania, overactive libido, baldness, sleep apnea... and sexually transmitted diseases."

Cheney claims to have done extensive research over the past 25 years, yet he complains that there was no information about castration and eunuchs in libraries, with the exception of a few foreign language titles. He says that in 2001, only three years before the release of the 2004 version of his book, that he found out by searching the web "that information available on castration had changed from scarcity to adequacy." However, I did not have much success in locating reliable sources that support his position, even though the web has greatly expanded since 2001.

Finally, his publisher, American Focus Publishing, also called USCCCN International, publishes material that is of questionable validity. For example, "The Illuminati's Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is one of their books, but The Protocols of the Elders of Zion has been proven to be a hoax. There are also many books about alleged Satanic ritual abuse, which is now believed by most experts to be a myth. -- Kjkolb (talk) 03:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

"Cutters"

I removed the following section from the article due to lack of citation. The citation-needed tags have been up for 5-6 months with no resolution, and the claim is quite extraordinary.

An underground network of castrators, also called "cutters", without medical licenses has formed. Surgery performed by untrained personnel outside a properly equipped medical facility is dangerous and there have been cases of severe bleeding and other medical emergencies. Alternatively, self-castration, also called autocastration, is occasionally performed, though it carries significant risk. Many who desire castration travel to developing countries, where medicine is less tightly regulated, and have the procedure performed by a doctor.

mcs (talk) 21:42, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

article possible candidate for deletion?

this article is a mess, it sounds like it's not a recognized disorder, that the people with this consider calling it "a disorder" offensive, and most of the article is like "why castration is good actually" which, is weird. and it sounds like the main source for that is a eugenics guy? this is a mess. how is this even relevant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.146.29 (talk) 05:35, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Notability

Is this article notable as it stands? Is there an article it might be merged with? It seems to be predicated on this paper alone [1], and a couple of primary sources repeating the term do not really verify it as a notable subject. There is a notable subject in here somewhere, I think, but it is not at all clear that it goes by the name of Skoptic syndrome. I'd take it to AfD, but not if there is somewhere we could simply merge it, or if someone has evidence it is more than a neologism coined for a particular paper. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Definitely not, I'll see if I can find anything more on it though. The article also talks specifically as it being phenomena in males/men, but also never states it is specifically exclusive to males, so I'll try to find anything on occurrences in females/women. I'll also see if I can find s similar disorder/phenomena under a separate name. That'll be... interesting to search. ¿VØ!D? ✨ 22:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Eunuch/Skoptic Syndrome/Castration fetish

My edits were constantly deleted in the past two weeks. I would like to clarify how I got to know about the term and why SS is similar to the Eunuch fetish and/or desire to either castrate somebody or to be castrated, as well as the fetish to cut somebody's penis of and/or to have your own penis removed. It's a type of extreme SM fetish. On this archive link you can very soon get a clear impression what kind of fetish we are dealing with when you click on some of the stories. https://web.archive.org/web/20020802221016/http://www.eunuch.org/index2.php This eunucharchive is the main internet hub where people who have this fetish gatter and chat and make appointments to meet eachtother. The Skoptic Syndrome is an obscure term. Graham Linehan wrote an article about it and Genevieve Gluck did a highly detailed study about the above mentioned website to uncover what this is all about: https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/genevieve-gluck-on-her-investigation In this YouTube (also in the Linehan article as a link): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS8ZfFZ-Bc0 When you listen to this complete Youtube talk you understand exactly what Skoptic Syndrome is and that it is literally the same as what is mentioned in the DSM-VI as well as the now called Eunuch-'genderidentity'. Also you will understand how problematic this relates to WPATH's SOC-8 and the problems with crime/pedophilic castration fetishes that are prominently featured on the Eunuch Archive. I hope the other wikipedia contributors do some research on the links I bring in to get a better understanding of what is exactly going on. A Wider Lens (talk) 18:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)