Talk:Plurality voting

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Isn't "two-round voting" much more common?

E.g., mayoral elections in Germany use it ... --User:Haraldmmueller 10:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think either one is much more common than the other. –Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

No mentioning of "election inversion" - why?

Similar question to Talk:First-past-the-post voting: Election inversion is a standard term; and a phenomenon mainly occurring with FPTP (albeit not only: Rounding procedures can produce them also in proportional systems). Why isn't this even mentioned here, let alone discussed - see of course 2000 and 2016 in the US (Michael Geruso, Dean Spears, Ishaana Talesara. 2019. "Inversions in US Presidential Elections: 1836-2016." NBER paper, slides by Nicholas R. Miller). It would nicely fit into the "wasted votes" section, because different amounts of "waste" for each selection directly imply the possibility of election inversion. --User:Haraldmmueller 08:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

It's not included because nobody's added it. Feel free to add it! Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Similar articles

Plurality (voting) and this article seem to have same topic. Suggest merge. HudecEmil (talk) 19:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Merge proposal

I am proposing Plurality (voting) be merged into Plurality voting. The articles have overlapping information and are about the same subject. Plurality voting is the longer article, is slightly higher quality, and receives more monthly pageviews (Plurality (voting) versus Plurality voting). -- Primium (talk) 17:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@HudecEmil: Previously brought this up. -- Primium (talk) 17:50, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Primium the two topics are different, but the article you've linked is badly-named; I think we definitely don't want an article called "Plurality (voting)" that's different from "Plurality voting".

Plurality just means "the biggest share" (in British English, this is called a relative majority). It contrasts with a majority (in British English, an absolute majority), whch is a fraction bigger than 50%. Plurality (voting) could either be kept, turned into a Wiktionary entry, or merged into the majority page.

On the other hand, I just found out the page on first-past-the-post voting exists. That page is 100% a duplicate, since these are two names for the exact same system, and they need a merge. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 02:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Happy with a merge, but I think it should be to First-past-the-post voting (or simply First-past-the-post), which is the WP:COMMONNAME. Number 57 16:11, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Google n-grams seems to suggest plurality is slightly more popular but I have no strong opinion on this. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 03:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Technically, there is a slight difference; first-past-the-post is the single-member version of plurality voting, which also includes multi-member versions. So merging into First-past-the-post doesn't make sense. Either merge into Plurality voting or shrink Plurality voting down to an overview of the different types of plurality voting, with a referral to First-past-the-post for a more detailed article on single-member plurality.174.67.226.163 (talk) 22:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose

Just, I oppose it. It's just obvious why

Cheers, Arotparaarms (talk) 15:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for reasons stated above: it is a distinct concept, and in particularly common use among political-science discussion in the USA (it's far more common of a term). A merge would add confusion, not remove it. Denzera (talk) 14:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I also oppose it but I didn't have a concrete reason, so I guess I now have a solid reason, and it's interesting how it's a common term across the globe. Arotparaarms (talk) 15:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:Plurality voting § Merge from FPTP

• Oops, the wrong section. Thank you. Will move. Викидим (talk) 17:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Merge from FPTP

FPTP and Plurality are the same system. FPTP should be merged into this article with a redirect. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 17:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose FPTP is a particular case of plurality (and the most popular). What we need is to rewrite the lead to reflect this fact. --Викидим (talk) 06:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  1. This is asking about whether plurality (voting) should be merged with Plurality voting (which are two completely different things).
  2. FPTP and plurality are synonyms.

  Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 17:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  Many authors would disagree with your #2. Plurality voting, in many sources at least, includes such non-FPTP systems as two-round system and alternative vote. Викидим (talk) 17:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  I'd like to see a source for that, because I've never seen any of those systems called "plurality", but if correct, everything in this article would need to be merged into FPTP and this article rewritten from scratch (because it only talks about FPTP right now). –Maximum Limelihood Estimator 17:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  In general FPTP = SMP (single-member plurality a.k.a. simple plurality). I can point to Maurice Duverger of the Duverger Law fame. A brief summary of his beliefs can be found in not-very-authoritative source here: [1] on p. 331 ("Plurality system with additional conditions"). Sorry, I do not have Duverger's book handy and cannot check his terminology immediately. This is not the only PoV; many authors use FPTP and plurality system synonymously and drop the single-member/simple qualifiers - but many retain them. Викидим (talk) 18:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  Agree, Oppose Arotparaarms (talk) 22:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)