Talk:Endsieg

Military history: European / German / World War I / World War II

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

Associated task forces:
/
	European military history task force
	German military history task force
	World War I task force
	World War II task force

Germany Mid‑importance

	Germany portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Expansion needed

I appreciate that this article currently looks more like it belongs to the Wikitionary, but I suggest it to get expanded into an encyclopedia article proper, discussing the whole concept of the "Endsieg" under Nazi ideology. Ropers

K, I hope that I improved this stub a little bit. I hope that someone with a better knowledge of Nazi ideology will add some info in the future, I didn't find much on this topic on the internet. Oh, and btw, 'Ropers', pls do sign your comments! Imho it is very annoying that I have to do this for you. Gray62 19:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Endsieg Poster.jpg

Image:Endsieg Poster.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 05:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, if the Hitler citation is summarized quite correctly. The de:wiki sounds more like "if fate maybe wants the endsieg OF the Jewish people" - not OVER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.57.167.225 (talk) 21:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Final victory

I'm no scholar, but I believe this is a bad translation or misinterpretation/oversimplification. I speak professional-level English and German (the latter being my native language). From my interpretation 'final' strongly implies finality (as in 'the war to end all wars') - which the 'End' in 'Endsieg' doesn't do. The true meaning is much closer to 'eventual victory' or the implication of 'ultimacy', in that it might be a tough road, but ultimately lead to success. Various dictionaries also suggest 'ultimate victory'. I realize this argument amounts to hairsplitting and interpretation, but in my opinion 'final victory' isn't satisfactory. Hitler's use of the word in Mein Kampf may accurately be translated as 'final victory' but this refers to the finality of the victory of the jews and isn't really relevant to contemporary usage and the terms use in WW2. At the very least this 'second version' should be added to the first line of the article, since currently ir implies that 'final victory' is the only correct translation, but this solely translates its usage by Hitler in Mein Kampf. 79.223.183.119 (talk) 16:26, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I read it again: Indeed, the first line is bogus, as my previous comment should illustrate. Hitler in Mein kampf talks about the jews 'finally' being victorious. Later usage refers to what the explanation said: "It is used in the meaning that a victory is taken for granted even though all odds are against it." And I believe this is more accurately translated as 'ultimate victory' or 'eventual victory'. It's somewhat jumbled and unprofessional. 79.223.183.119 (talk) 16:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Origin

Although the term is known to the general public from the "perseverance propaganda" of the Third Reich, it already originated in the First World War (1918), see the German Wikipedia article on the subject. 2A02:8109:1040:29B0:2664:6003:9DFB:CB9E (talk) 19:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"citation needed"

Almost literally every paragraph of this article ends with the template "citation needed". Isn't it simply better to put a template at the top of the article? Koreanovsky (talk) 17:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]