Talk:Adhan

Deletions, Compromise

The line "Ashhadu anna Aliyyan Wali'ullah" keeps getting deleted. I don't want to see the page getting locked over something like that. I'd like to propose a compromise. According to even major Ayatullahs, that line is not _techinically_ considered part of the Adhan, but it is acceptable to recite it within the Adhan. Should a section be created to discuss the status of that line (opinions of Ayatullahs) and its history (i.e. first person reported to have done so, etc)? Hope this is a worthwhile contribution AlonzoRios 3:47, 19th of June, 2006

Internet Explorer

The page looks messed up when using Internet Explorer; it looks fine in Firefox though and I have no idea how to fix it for IE.

Greater, Greatest

I know absolutely nothing about this, but I changed Greatest to Greater based on this note someone (apparently not familiar with wiki!) added to the bottom of the page:

Note To Editor* The Literal Translation is Greater not Greatest. The word for Greatest is "Al-Akbar" not "Akbar" which means actually Greater or Bigger. This is due to the fact that the word has no "Al-" in front of the word. "Al-Akbar" would mean the Greatest or the Biggest.

Hopefully someone else can verify that this is correct. Kevin Saff 17:36, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

This is correct. Greater, indeed. See Takbeer elpincha 23:25, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Touma (1996, p.157) indicates "greatest": "God is most great".

More great would imply "greater", most great implies "greatest" to me. Hyacinth 19:07, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Call to prayer

According to Touma (1996, p.157): "The adhan is the name for the call to pray from atop the minaret. With this, the believers are called to the Friday holy service and to the five prayers prescribed for the day." However, the article currently states that "the call's purpose is to summon the people to the mosque, not to start the prayers. The equivalent call to start the prayers is called the iqama or iqame." Hyacinth 19:07, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

According to [1]: iqama is "The call to line up for prayers." (emphasis mine)

methods of calling out

Well, this article doesn't seem to explain too clearly how the the call to prayer manages to broadcast to entire cities in the heat of traffic. In ancient times, furthermore, I'm wondering, how was it done? I was hoping to find information here, but were the callers get voice training, et al? Notably how it echoes around the halls too - of course now they use loudspeakers, but I'm just wondering...-- Natalinasmpf 17:07, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No one is answering my question? It's been here for months now. How rude. -- Natalinasmpf 21:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In ancient they made adhan when they sure it's the time. So people, almost all people, should know what is the measure. In a city sure there is more than one mosque and there is no problem if the adhan is a little different in time. In Indonesia there is a big drum called 'Bedug' which beaten before the adhan.

Church bells also may not reach an entire city, yet they still ring. Hyacinth 12:08, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bell / conch trouble

I've been disambiggin' the word "bell" ... I don't know a thing about Adhan, but can someone fix the link to bell and conch -- certainly you don't mean a sea creature!--Rbeas 02:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The shell of the conch is often played as an instrument (see wikipeida article on conch). You can buy such shells in Key west. 88.239.90.77 14:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC) Ashira[reply]

arabic version

Surely there's an Arabic version of this page? Where is it? I can't read Arabic myself, but I was curious about it and found there was none. -- Natalinasmpf 04:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I checked (even went to the arab Wikipedia) and they didn't seem to have one. I'll ask User:Joturner.--Kross ^Talk 13:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Transliteration

The Arabic on this page is all messed up. The transliteration of short vowels have the mark over them. The Shahada is even transliterated wrong, with a part missing. I am going to perform a re-work, I apologize if I'm disturbing someone else's work. Cuñado - Talk 00:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shi'a view

http://www.azadarnews.com/Islamic-Articles/138.html --Striver 03:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That website is made by some very radical people with whom which I would say the overwhelming majority of Shi'a do not agree. Please do not use it as a source, it is both unscholarly and unacceptable. Ordak mahi 00:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aliya wali-ullah not actually part of Adhan for Shi'a

Ash'hadu anna 'alīyā walī'ul-lāh is, as the article says, not mandatory, but it doesn't stop there: we Shi'a do not accept it as part of the adhaan, and in fact one of the factors that invalidates the adhaan is believing that aliya wali-ullah is part of it. It is more of an affirmative statement: in many Shi'a congregations that part is only repeated once as a signal of not being part of the adhaan, and in other congregations that repeat it twice, the second time a different variation is used like "ash'hadu anna aliyyan amir al-mo'mineena wali'ul-lah". I have tried to say all this as concisely as possible on the page itself. Ordak mahi 00:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Wali" translation

I have heard "wali" translated as both "vicegerent" as it says in the article and also "friend". Which is a more accurate translation? Ordak mahi 00:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shofar??

The mention of Shofar (ram's horn) being used as a call to prayer is not a regular part of Jewish practice. It was used as a call to battle, and as part of the prayer service on select holy days and public fasts (see the wikipedia article on shofar). Jews today would not associate a shofar with a call to prayer, and I've never heard of this being the case at any point in history. Perhaps a reliable source can be found for this if it is true- the link to the reference is dead. 88.239.90.77 14:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC) Ashira[reply]

about picture

isnt it an atomic bomb cloud? what is the meaning of being in here?