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Lise Meitner

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As of 15 July 2024, 01:26 (UTC), this page is active and open for discussion. An FAC coordinator will be responsible for closing the nomination.
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Nominator(s): Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC) and Gah4 (talk)[reply]

This article is about Lise Meitner, the Austrian physicist who was the co-discover of the element protactinium and nuclear fission. She spent much of her scientific career in Berlin, Germany, where she was a physics professor and a department head at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute. She fled to Sweden after Austria was absorbed into Germany in 1938. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • Suggest adding alt text

Nikkimaria (talk) 01:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikkimaria: I have switched the lead image to a new one I found in the Library of Congress. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wolverine

I'll drop some comments pretty soon. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 14:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- My comments are so minor that you already have my support. Well done! When all is done, I'd appreciate a review of the narwhal FAC. Thanks, Wolverine XI (talk to me) 15:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose review by Generalissima

  • You bold Elise Meitner in the Early years section, but you already mention this name in the lede - it should probably just be bolded there.
    Yes. Emboldened as suggested. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm slightly unclear what "advanced education" means in this context. Merely attending college, or becoming academics in their own right?
    Tertiary education. Suggestions welcome. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Women were not allowed to attend public institutions of higher education in Vienna until 1897, and she completed her final year of school in 1892 I think this would make more sense with the clauses reversed, and moved after the following sentence; this way, it'd flow naturally into the "only career available" part.
    Good idea. Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some context on what either her masters or doctoral theses were about could be interesting.
    The title translations are mine. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Circumspect" seems like a bit of an obscure word here. Also "egalitarian" is a bit confusing - I know we're talking about how Hahn drank a lot of Respect Women Juice, but it's phrased confusingly in this portion.
    Germany was very formal society at the time. Oppenheimer, for example, once made the mistake of addressing Arnold Sommerfeld as "Professor" instead of "Geheimrat". Removed. I need to strike the right note here. For a man of his time, Hahn was progressive in his attitudes towards women. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Later that year, perhaps fearing that Meitner was in financial difficulties and might return to Vienna, since her father had died in 1910, Planck appointed her his assistant at the Institute for Theoretical Physics in the Friedrich Wilhelm University I think it might be best to remove the "since her father had died" clause. Maybe split it up; "Meitner may have entered financial difficulties after the death of her father in 1910. Possibly due to this, Planck appointed her..."
    Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • You reference prices in marks a lot, but a modern reader has no context. Is there a way we can have conversions? There's likely a template for the mark. (Tho these might be best as efns after each quote rather than as in-line text)
    I don't know how to do this. I will ask and see in anyone else does. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Betty Logan showed me how, so added currency conversions to euros. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "fortuitous" is somewhat vague, since it can either mean "by chance" or "fortunately". Just using fortunately would be a lot clearer in this context.

That's all for now. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hawkeye7: These changes look great! Happy to Support. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by TompaDompa

This looks interesting. I'll try to find the time to review it in the next few days. As an initial comment, "what was now Nazi Germany" in the WP:LEAD would make more sense to me as "what was by then Nazi Germany". TompaDompa (talk) 03:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matarisvan

Hi {{u|Hawkeye7}], my comments:

  • Provide a translation from German for her thesis in the infobox, as done in the body?
  • Could we add Phillip Meitner in the infobox?
  • Link to freethinker (freethought)?
  • Isn't the 1906 portrait of Meitner creating a WP:SANDWICH with the infobox? Consider moving it down a little?
  • Gloss Matura in one or two words per NOFORCELINK?
  • Link to Maxwell Formula (probably Maxwell's equations)?
  • Is the link to Montreal necessary?
  • "and settled as radioactive dust": "had settled"?
  • Link to Austrian Army (Imperial-Royal Landwehr)?
  • Link to tantalum?
  • Link to radium-226?
  • "proposed of the nucleus": remove the "proposed"?
  • Link to technetium?
  • Link to Geiger counter?
  • Link to George de Hevesy?
  • Link to American Physical Society and Physics Today?
  • Link to Oskar Klein?
  • Link to Erwin Schrödinger?
  • Link to Max Perutz?
  • Provide translated titles and journal names for refs #16, #18, #42, #55, #146, Stolz 1989?
  • Provide an archive url for ref #168?
  • Provide a link for ref #136?
  • In the biblio, link to Nicholas Dawidoff, Willy Ley?
  • Provide publication locations for Sexl and Hardy 2002, Stolz 1989?
  • Why have we not used the sources in the Further Reading section in the article? If they don't have anything unique, I would suggest removing them; if they do, then you can always include them in the biblio and cite them.

A fine article overall, only the source formatting seems to be a bit off. Matarisvan (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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