Talk:Palestine Liberation Organization

ten point program calls for Israel's destruction

The ten point program does not call for a binational state. It calls for first a Palestinian state in the territories and for the Palestinian state to expand to replace Israel. The PLO only pretended to recognize israel's right to exist in 1988. For the osolo agreements calls for the PLO to do that. But the PLO had no plan to follow the Oslo agreements. The PLO never planned on following them even when they signed them.-Dendoi November 14, 2006

Also notice the original PLO did not even call for a Palestinian state. -Connie207.233.32.18 19:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the Ten point program page should not be merged - it should be expanded, and made clear what the 10 points are.

Johnbibby 10:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I also think that the Ten Point Program should not be merged. It is vital for the understanding of the PLO.

eggsilikeskitzo7 18:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Semi-citations

• Many of the quotations cited in the article are only semi-cited. They give names of non-English newspapers and dates: they don't give either in English or in the original language the title or author of the article in question.
• I have commented out a blind-URL citation to http://www.emra.org.il/story.php3?id=12801. The link is not accessible as of 5 December 2006, nor is it on the Internet Archive. Unless someone knows what it was and where a copy might be now, this one is effectively lost. This is part of the problem with putting an uncommented URL as a reference.
• The reference given as Template:He icon http://www.nfc.co.il/archive/003-D-6200-00.html?tag=23-15-32 nfc.co.il news site would be much improved by the date, Hebrew title, and translated title; if there is an identified author, that would be good, too. Ideally, we would also provide the original and translation on relevant passages.
• There are citations to "Smith, op. cit., p. 357" and "Smith, op. cit., 376" but there is no original citation of a "Smith" for these to refer back to. I suspect that there once was; someone may want to trace through the article history for this.
• http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1082606041893&p=1078027574121, cited as a source, just says "Cannot find article". Although the Internet Archive shows itself as having archived versions of this page, they also come up blank. This raises the same issue as the other now-dead blind URL.

- Jmabel | Talk 01:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

After you wrote these remarks I actually went through the page history reasonably thoroughly and could find no citation for "Smith". A brief look on Amazon turns up a book called "Palestine and the Palestinians" by one Pamela Ann Smith, though I've heard of neither book nor author before myself. Unless someone can confirm that as the source, perhaps statements and references alike should go. Palmiro | Talk 21:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

does the ten point program really call for a binational state

My answer to the question above is no. Where did they get that idea. The ten point program callled for a Palestinian state on the occupied territories and then the Palestinian state to replace Israel. It says that the palestinian national Authority will call on the Arab states in confrontation with Israel to complet ethe liberation of Palestine which is equal to havibg a palestinian state replace Israel. Also, it also saya that the pLo will struggle against the creation of a Palestinian entity in return for peace and recognition. The ten point program calls for a Palestinian state to replce Israel not a binational state.-Dendoi December 8, 2006 Friday 10:51 AM

Claim that "PLO no longer represents Palestinian people"

The reference to the PLO being recognised as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people has nothing to do with who wins elections in the PNA. There is no evidence that any relevant body has withdrawn its recognition of this status of the PLO on this basis. The PNA, on the other hand, has never been recognised as a legitimate representative of the Palestinian people by any body, even if it has to some extent been de facto treated as such by some countries; and it is in fact forbidden from engaging in international relations by the Oslo agreements under which it was set up. So there is no relationship between the PLO being recognised internationally as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people and Hamas winning the PNA legislative elections.

Whether people conclude that the PLO does not in practice represent the opinions of the Palestinian people is quite another question, which should not be contraposed to this one, at least not without a very weighty source suggesting that it is immediately salient thereto. In any case, this too can hardly be purely addressed on the basis of PNA elections given that most Palestinians don't get to vote in PNA elections - only those living in the Occupied Territories can vote, a minority of the Palestinian people whom the PLO is considered to represent.

It should also be noted that the source cited does not in fact support the contention that the PLO's status is now in question, and is not itself the epitome of a reliable source (with all due respect to the International Committee of the Fourth International). Palmiro | Talk 12:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

PLO recognition of israel is fake

The PLO never recognized Israel's right to exist. They only pretended to do so. To Arafat, the Oslo accords [a failiure from the start] was a tatic to accomplish the ten-point program, which calls for first a Palestinian state in the territories then the Palestinian state to expand to replace Israel. The PLO still has the same goal of abolishing Israel. i can't believe I actually once believed that the PLO changed their position on Israel becqaquse they didn't. As fasial Husseini, a PLO moderate said that the Osolo accords are like the Trojan horse and that they are cherating the Israelis and that the PLO still has the same goal, which is the destruction of israel. The PLO are nothing but lying terrorists.-Dendoi Saturday 11:07 PM January 13, 2007

Drug Trafficking

Can i see another source for this...one that doesnt lead you to a site full of pop-ups that slow down your computer. (Ssd175 04:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC))

Somebody changed every instance of "Israel" to "Zionist International Criminals"

They should be blocked from editing, and the page reverted. Ryan4^Talk 14:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I reverted it Chikanamakalaka 21:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Munich massacre

I don't see any mention of the 1972 Munich massacre in this article, even though the attack was carried out by Black September, a group with ties to the PLO. Due to the importance of this event and its impact on the PLO's cause, it should at least get a mention. --♣Transfinite(Talk) 04:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. If there are no objections, I'm going to add a mention. JoshuaZ 16:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Watch the language!

While I wasn't the one who put up the tag about disputed neutrality, I kinda agree with it. Some of the words in the article have strong connotations and should in general be avoided in Wikipedia articles. In addition, I'm not entirely sure that some of that wording is entirely accurate. For instance, did the PLO really want to "annihilate" Israel when it was first created? I know it wanted to destroy the political body of Israel, but "annihilate" sounds more like what the Nazis intended for the Jews, and I don't know whether the PLO was operating at that level of hatred. (Of course, I know next to nothing about the subject, so if the PLO really wanted to annihilate Israel, then I am simply wrong.) 24.143.231.211 18:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

You have only to read the "Statements made by members of the PLO" section to know that their aim was indeed to annihilate Israel and kill Jews.Dhimwit 11:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Time to move quotes over to Wikiquote?

I notice there is a growing list of quotes in the quotes section. This really isn't an appropriate use of a Wikipedia article. Rather these quotes should be moved over to Wikiquote in an article entitled "q:Palestine Liberation Organization." --Abnn 22:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)