Talk:Teresa Nielsen Hayden

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Disemvowelling

"Nielsen Hayden is the inventor of disemvowelling."

I doubt this and it definitely needs a citation. There is no mention of her "inventing" it on the disemvowelling site and I doubt that this was something that started with one person. I will see what I can find out but that is my explanation for removing it. Crito2161 01:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I'm surprised to see that the disemvoweling claim was in the article to be removed, having been deleted some time ago. The strongest claim that seems to be supportable with accepted sourcing is the one on the Disemvoweling article. (Briefly: the term predates the moderation technique, and the first use claim, in the sense of "as a moderation technique," seems impossible to prove, even though it's probably true.) Please see that article and its talk page for details, and do not reinsert the stronger claim that was just removed from here...again. Thanks! Karen | Talk | contribs 01:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huh. My mistake. I guess I just assumed it had previously been removed. Karen | Talk | contribs 01:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Narcolepsy

In January, 2006, Nielsen Hayden fell victim to the FDA's removal from the market of a prescription drug she regularly used for narcolepsy, without notice to her and other users. This situation, first brought to light on her weblog,[1] was soon widely reported and commented on elsewhere.[2][3][4]

There are two elements here. One is the loss of the subject's medication. We don't normally get into this level of detail about biographical subjects. Is the matter worth mentioning in a short article? Is her narcolepsy important? Should we say more about that? The second half simply says that the subject blogged on a topic and some fellow bloggers commented on her piece. That is insignificant, unencyclopedic, and depends on blogs as secondary sources.

Personal websites, blogs, and other self-published or vanity publications should not be used as secondary sources.[5]

I propose we rewrite the material:

Nielsen Hayden has narcolepsy and had been taking Cylert for the condition. However the Food and Drug Administration withdrew the drug from the marketplace in January 2006 with insufficient warning, leaving her with no effective replacement.[6]

A little research shows that the issues with this drug, and advocacy for patients who used to take it, predated January 2006.[7]. It would be inaccurate to assert that the subject was the first to bring this "to light". -Will Beback 11:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me, Will. Thanks! Karen | Talk | contribs 15:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Disemvowelling source

In this article in Information Week [8], Cory Doctorow credits Nielsen Hayden with inventing disemvowelling. --Akhilleus (talk) 19:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Making Light is not an attack site

I'm not sure what an "attack site" is, but Making Light isn't it. It's a group-edited blog, moderated and founded by Teresa Nielsen Hayden, who remains one of the strongest voices on that page. The site is widely read in Nielsen Hayden's field -- science fiction -- and is often referred to in trade publications such as the multi-Hugo-winning Ansible. It is appropriate for a noteworthy blog that Nielsen Hayden founded and posts to regularly to be included in her Wikipedia biography. Doctorow 23:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've replied on your user talk page. ·:·Will Beback ·:· 23:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If one exaimes Mr. Bebeck's contributions, it is apparent that for reasons of his own -- because I updated my own bibliography to include my 2007 books -- he felt is necessary to vandalize the entries of my husband's colleges at Tor Books, a New York science fiction publisher. I suggest that Mr. Bebeck demonstrate his Wikipedian Good Will by deleting all these pages from his watch list.

I'm sure that upon mature consideration Mr Bebeck -- who haspreviously threatened to gut the entries of the whole field of editors of science fiction -- will walk away from this subject. Pleasantville 01:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't about anything besides the contents of Nielsenhayden.com

However, since you mention it, we have a problem on Wikipedia with science fiction editors who ignore our guidelines on autobiography. This article has that problem too. If editors would stop creating and editing their autobiographies then it wouldn't be so necessary for others to patrol them. I have no particular interest in this field and I've only gotten involved because of the need for policy enforcement. ·:·Will Beback ·:· 01:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? The only edits that are apparently by TNH on this page are [9] and [10]. The former is a well-sourced edit which isn't in the slightest contentious and the latter, while unsourced, only makes the same claim along with passing the credit for the popularity of her blog onto her visitors rather than herself which hardly seems contentious to me. She didn't create this page, and WP:AUTO doesn't require her to refrain from editing. JulesH 08:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see no evidence that Making Light is an attack site. --Akhilleus (talk) 01:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is now being discussed at AN/I ·:·Will Beback ·:· 01:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Arbitration Committee, A website that engages in the practice of publishing private information concerning the identities of Wikipedia participants will be regarded as an attack site whose pages should not be linked to from Wikipedia pages under any circumstances. I have looked at the site, and am completely satisfied that it engages in that practice. Therefore, we should not link to it. I do not intend to give details in the sense of "Go to the main page, and click on the link at the second from the top at the left-hand side" etc. Once there's question of privacy violations, we should err on the side of protecting our contributors. Of course, if the webmasters remove the privacy-violating information, which it is perfectly in their power to do, there will be no reason not to link to it. Musical L inguist 11:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]