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Sorry for ignoring you

Hi, if you're also Real96 on IRC, sorry for ignoring you. I was looking at Wikipedia:IRC channels and clicked on #wikipedia, and found myself looking at several lines of meaningless conversation. Then you said hi, but I didn't know how to answer, so I looked for another few minutes, and tried to click things, and then exited the programme.

It's too complicated! ElinorD (talk) 12:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, okay. NP. I use Gaim for my IRC client. Miranda 20:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup templates

Just to let you know that most cleanup templates, like "unreferenced", "fact", "cleanup" etc., are best not "subst"ed. See WP:SUBST for more details. Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 16:48 5 June 2007 (GMT).

Okay. Miranda 16:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You have email

-TT 19:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Responded. Miranda 20:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

84.71.192.107

How exactly was my editing of The Bill vandalism or in any way unconstructive? I simply did not agree with the new formatting, as I'm sure many regular users will agree, and reverted it back to the origonal edit. My edit did not contain any inappropriate or incorrect information, contained more information than the version I changed, and does not have sufficient grounds for blocking of an IP address. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.192.107 (talk • contribs)

Responded on your page. Miranda 22:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fark

Hey there Real - this is Faethe (Rhonda). I am leaving a message so I know how to get hold of you again! Thank you!Faethe 22:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Miranda 22:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there - Miranda - someone is going about defacing my page with stuff here on wikipedia.

This is really nuts :( I am writing this article and trying to be very careful about my sources. I will post it here unedited so you can tell me your opinion. Thank you!Faethe 01:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken care of this incident with your userpage. Go ahead and write the article, and post it here on my user talk, and I can see what I can do. Miranda 03:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for getting me straight again :) Just another note: Here is a link to another article pertaining to some of the practices on Fark that is scheduled for deletion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shadowban

The admin in this case is also a user at fark.com

No, I'm not. Used to be a top 40 submitter, ~170 links or so, but that's long since been superseded, and I rarely visit nowadays. I'm just interested in seeing material added here be notable and verifiable. --Steve (Stephen) talk 03:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I don;t know if that is a conflict of interest or not.

I will finish up with the article tomorrow :)

Rhonda - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faethe (talk • contribs)

Will look at the AFD soon. Just get back to me tomorrow. I guess, since you are a former member of Fark, that wouldn't be a conflict of interest. Miranda 04:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The page will probably get deleted because of original research and not having reliable sources. Unless there are reliable sources in the article and in your commentary, the article would probably stay deleted. Miranda 04:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Miranda - I have been ooking into this and do have an outside source which is willing to publish an article on this - p2pnet.net. At this point I am still compiling stuff so it reads well. The best thing to do would be (I think) for me to post a criticism on the fark article then reference the shadowban article from there. The thing is both things are related, and they were related until someone changed the fark entry by deleting 'items in the fark filter'. Typing Bannination.com and posting this as a comment will result in the entry being shadowbanned - only visible to the user and not to the rest of the community. It's easy to test if you are a member of fark.com.

My profile is still up on fark but I no longer consider myself a member and will not post there again. If it helps me, I will delete it now. Thank you so much for your advice. I really don't know what I am doing. I am still typing, will hopefully have an outline with references by the end of the day. Thank you! RhondaFaethe 20:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Miranda! This is what I have worked up so far as a criticism:

Criticism

On April 25th 2007, at 5:00 PM EST Fark.com modified it's format which was met with mixed results. This was exacerbated by an Admin's remark insisting that users 'get over it' [8]. As a result, some users fled into or started other communities [27]. The most commonly reasons stated for this were:

1. Users felt alienated by the new design [9] and the change in posting rules [11].

2. Users felt alienated by the increased level of moderation..

An example of one individual who was banned as a result of this increased level of moderation is former fark user, mytwocents [28], who was banned and subsequently had her blog's [29] ip address blocked by Fark for reasons that were never made clear. Many other users that either criticized or started new sites [27] that featured criticism of Fark were also subsequently banned.

Like most public forums, Fark has the means to suspend a user's account [30] should circumstances warrant it. One form of banning is the "shadow ban" [31] . There is no official term for this form of banning. It is not mentioned anywhere in Fark's FAQ [32]. Evidence of this has been collected through screencaps and user testimony [33]. When an account has been shadow banned, any posts submitted by the user are invisible to the rest of the community. Only the banned user can see their own posts. Because the user can see their own postings appear in a thread, the user continues to post under the assumption that his or her posts are visible. The shadow banned user is not informed that he/she has been banned from Fark and may continue to post for months before finding out [33].

Examples of Fark's undisclosed site management techniques have been documented as far back as 2004 [34]. A Fark sales rep solicited “highly placed links to his sites in return for several hundred dollars” [34] to Jason Calacanis [35] “publisher of several rival Weblogs, Inc. blogs” [34]. According to a statement on Calacanis' weblog he felt he would “never trust Fark again” [36]. After the incident was reported on Wired News [34], Calacanis noted on his blog that users on Fark who posted concerns about Fark's representatives tactics had their accounts “turned off” [37].

27 Http://www.bannination.com

28 User Mytwocents profile http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/users.pl?login=mytwocents

29 User Mytwocents Blog http://www.thespinzone.com/mytwocents.php

30 Fark.com Posting Guidelines http://www.fark.com/farq/posting.shtml#What_are_the_posting_rules.3F

31 Ratf*cker's guide to shadowbanning http://ergh.org/farkdeceit/others/

32 http://www.fark.com/farq/

33 User BloodyNose's screencaps http://ergh.org/farkdeceit/bloodynose/

34 Wired News “Fark Sells Out: France Surrenders” 8/06/2004 http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2004/08/64472

35 Joseph Calacanis http://www.calacanis.com/

36 Calacanis.com “Fark.com sells their editorial, and the loyalty of their users.” http://www.calacanis.com/2004/08/02/fark-com-sells-their-editorial-and-the-loyalty-of-their-users/

37 Calacanis.com “Final Thoughts on Fark.com” http://www.calacanis.com/2004/08/06/final-thoughts-on-fark-com/

I also posted this on my talk page. Some of the earlier footnotes were based on what was posted in the original fark article which has since been altered by someone so I will have to redo them. The part of about users feeling alienated was deleted yesterday, as well as most of the text on the fark article about 'fark redesign'. Thank you! RhondaFaethe 01:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am unsure about this. You might want to ask on the Fark.com website. However, with these links, you are using some neutral and unneutral POV and some unreliable sources. The best thing is to post this on the talk page of the article to see what others think. Miranda 21:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will look at this tomorrow, but you need to contact Alison first of your proposal. Miranda 01:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Alison - I went ahead and edited the Shadowban page to reflect more sources. This was my entry in case it gets vandalized by tommorow:

The weird-news-aggregation community website Fark employs the practice; community backlash against this and other practices by administrators and/or moderators spawned the creation of a similar website called banniNation, which attempts to avoid such methods.

Another way to shadow ban someone is to use the Global ignore feature included with vBulletin community forum software. According to vBulletin's website, "This feature Global ignore user aka 'Tachy goes to Coventry' - when enabled all posts by the specified user will be ignored/unseen by other members. Automatically added to the all users ignore lists." [1] . vBulletin forum administrators use Global ignore to hide posts from disruptive users who may otherwise react publicly to being banned, or create legal issues for other users of the website. An example of this is found on The Admin Zone[2]. In response to a question concerning the moderation of a user creating legal issues for an animal care forum, an administrator posted "My 2 cents: Disable her account or put her on global ignore. To me the issue isn't this kid, but your community. Is this the best thing for your community letting her posts, her story, her odd status...take over your community that you spend so much time and effort keeping up and running and civil?"[3].

Discussions concerning the Global ignore feature in vBulletin go back as far as August of 2000[4]. The use of this feature was viewed as a way to alienate a user from the rest of the community by causing the least amount of disruption. In a forum post, vBullletin member Sharg states that “Global ingore is really great. Even if you want to keep your database out of trash wluke. Cause by time the ingored user will get sick of posting and being ignored by eveybody so he will simply leave the board then once he leave you can delete all his posts.”[5].

On WebmasterWorld[6] on January 3, 2006 a discussion thread was started concerning the Washington Post turning off comments during an ongoing discussion. Forum member HughMungus offered this advice on Global ignore:

...instead of deleting accounts or banning people, you trick the bad apples such that they think they can still post and they see their posts with everybody else's posts, but in fact they're the only ones who can see their posts.[7]

When applied to public forums, Global ignore is used as a tool to moderate discussions by 'shadowing' disruptive users. In the case of Fark, 'shadowbanning' has been used to mask contributory comments due to their content[8]. It has also been applied to members of the subscription service Totalfark without their knowledge[9]. This would appear to conflict with a members expectation of open participation in “TotalFark discussions,” which are submitted links not meant to be greenlighted, but rather commented on and discussed by TotalFark members only”. [10]

Faethe 05:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This should not be included because it has content from message boards, which are unreliable sources. Miranda 21:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Which one? Also - this is a forum related issue. I think it would qualify under the wikiproject internet culture? The sources I quote with the shadowban article vBulletin is based on a software packages inclusion of a feature that enables moderators to mask user comments without the users knowlege. The quotes I gathered fo towards the reasoning administrators and users have for employing Global ignore. There are alo multiple instances of the term 'shadowban' used in other communities which I also intend to include.

In the case of fark - I'm not quoting any forums. That's a wired news article being sites in that, as well as the subject of the article. Ratf"ckers page is a compilation of screencaps and testimony from former users of fark who have had various forms of moderation leveled at them. An article is also being published over at p2pnet.net concerning this. That's an independent publication that has ties to any of the parties mentioned. Alison has not gotten back to me yet, either. Faethe 02:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Advertisment

Hi there, I'm the !bot who ran into you on IRC. Just reiterating that I like the idea of running a template ad about WP:LGBT. What would the main purpose for the ad be--to attract more members, to promote activities within the project etc.?--Xnuala (talk)(Review) 04:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mainly the ads are to promote the project and get more members involved. I will leave a message on the talk page of the project to see what their ideas are. I have to be careful with this ad, because WP:LBGT may be controversial to some users. Miranda 04:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any precedents set with controversial ads? I remember hearing something about some sort of incident but my memory is slightly fuzzy. If the ad is written in a neutral tone I feel that it would be appropriate.--Xnuala (talk)(Review) 04:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Guts & Bolts

Hi there, I was looking at the article for The History Channel and corrected a date for a show called Guts & Bolts. I noticed that there was no article for this show and was about to look into how to create one, but then I thought that I may not be the best person to do this as I had something to do with that program and, thus, may not be able to be completely neutral. You seem to be a trustworthy person to ask, so, here I am asking if I should write something up or not.AleBrewer 01:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, if the show exists, is notable as well. Also, the article must have reliable sources. - Miranda 01:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As notable as most series, IMHO; there just seems to be a lot of red that could be fleshed out. Thank you - I started off here on the wrong foot and didn't want to take another misstep! AleBrewer 01:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can make your own sandbox, shown here, User:AleBrewer/sandbox, to help you save your changes to the article. Miranda 01:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for the advice. I'm going to the admin noticeboard and write my statement. Take care.TheRingess (talk) 01:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hola

Hola, Miranda? Como estas? Estoy bien, pero cansada porque mi perro es... RUFFY. Y tu? Estoy espernzad tienes un buena dia. Quires chicle? En un barnstar? :). --Endo(Exo) 02:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Estoy muy cansada, ahora. Pues, estoy mirando NBA en ABC con Tony Parker (ay, papi!) y LeBron James. Y, estoy hablando con IRC ahora...en #wikipedia y #trivia. Creo que ir a mi cama...a la hora. Gracias y espero que tenga un dia fabuloso! Miranda 02:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kurów

So I haven't this article on e.g. Brasilian (dialect of Portuguese), Jamtlandic, Hawaiian, Bengal, Tibetan, Chichewa, Shona, Gilaki, Bishnupiya, Xhosa, Zulu, Rwanda, Fijian, Sotho, Singalese, Samoan, Khmer or Oromo. Full list on Polish is here. Pietras1988 ^TALK 08:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to look at this page to find the languages to contact users who speak the languages natively. However, I will form a request on Meta tomorrow for this article to be translated. Miranda 08:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Bot

Yes but how do I create one (what are the steps)? I've already looked at WP:BOTS Superball53 t 20:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC) PS: Please respond on my talk[reply]

Sorry, but you are indef. blocked for being a sockpuppet of a banned user, Bugman94. Miranda 21:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IRC Channel

Hey. Could you invite me in to the CU/clerk IRC as "GrooveDog"? Thanks. GrooveDog 21:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done on IRC. Miranda 21:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]