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I can see you recently had trouble with thuran and while i was banned at the time i can now tell you that i wouldnt let him bother you to much. Ive had my share of battles with him and his friends and you cant ever win but just letting you know you have a ally if you need one. TheManWhoLaughs 20:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Hahaha. I love Wikipedia! —Erik (talk • contrib) - 20:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I know. I kind of wish people would stop taking this so seriously. I appreciate the both of you sticking up for me when ThuranX got all snarly and whatnot, but after perusing the sorts of things he was involved in (there was this pretty icky AN/I going on wherein some user was being threatened in real life, and the 'Office' wasn't acting fgast enough for Thuran, apparently) during the time he was flipping out, makes me think he had just a bit too much going on, and he lashed out at me, coz I was there. I found this out after filing an AN/I on ThuranX myself, as I didn't think that getting treated like that was very cool at all. Maybe he just needs someone a bit higher hup the food chain to tell him to dial it back a bit. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 22:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would suggest letting the matter slide instead of resorting to an AN/I. The confrontation's tapered off, and I think that the AN/I option should only be revisited if things flare up again. And believe me, if you thought ThuranX was snarly, it's good that you never met Ace (who is MIA these days). While Ace was a competent editor, every comment he made sounded like he was having a bad day and was willing to take it out on someone. But yeah... it's my opinion that the AN/I won't help matters (as you noticed there and elsewhere, there's plenty of red tape to be found). —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would have been willing to do that, but you may recall that he said that this was something "that had been building for a while". That tells me that while he may have gone off somewhere, the behavior is likely not going to end if we run into each other again. Even if the AN/I goes nowhere, there will be a record of reporting the bad behavior, which goes to precedent if (and probably when) it happens again. And it shouldn't surprise you that ThuranXand Ace consider each other to be friends, so that may say something about why they feel that sort of behavior is acceptable. They may eben think they are 'cleaning up the town and taking out the trash.'
- Like I said, I used to like ThuranX, because his edits are usually tip-top, but (like Ace) it's uncool to treat others like trash whilst doing so. And he certainly isn't going to listen to you or I. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, I understand your reasoning. I hope the report doesn't stir things up again (that was my concern and the reason for my advice); he may take it as an insult. Anyway, from my collaboration with both ThuranX and Ace, I never really saw any tag-teaming between them regarding the appropriateness of their attitudes. I actually recall ThuranX telling Ace one time to take it easy. Bignole and I have spoken to both of them on occasion when we notice too much biting. I've blown up a few times myself, but I like to think I keep myself in check. I think that the main reason why we sometimes bite (not trying to justify here, just provide some insight) is when we deal with editors who don't have a clear understanding of policies or if there are a series of independent, anonymous, and incorrect edits which we constantly have to revert (like the Scarecrow rumor). But basically, I hope I was able to provide some form of mediation; I would like to think that ThuranX would hear me in some regard, and the same for you. The reason I laughed above was the taking of sides -- on a website! I mean... it's a bit silly to say, "I got your wiki-back." —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Honestly, I think the feller is already insulted, and it wasn't like I was accusing him of something that wasn't the case; one can only be insulted when accused of something they didn't do. And I've never met Ace before, and wouldn't think that he and ThuranX would would tag-team folk; that's not the read I get from ThuranX, at least.
- As for bitey-ness, yours is not a name I would associate with that. In fact, you and Big are exceptionally even-handed when dealing with folk, even those who are truly deserving of a verbal beat-down. I think that trying to remain polite allows rude folk to either realize they are being a Dick and calm down, or failing that, protect yourself so they can kick themselves out.
- And I knew what you were laughing at. I don't expect anyone to have my back, wiki- or otherwise. I would prefer my back didn't need watching, in any case. It's nice to have some encouragement, so I know I am operating in a vaccuum. :) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 00:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man guys like us are constantly fighting on here and i got peoples back because i got noone watching mine so i want some people on here who will give some damn respect which you cant get much of on here.TheManWhoLaughs 01:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I posted a fairly long post with some advice on your Talk page. For the record, I don't think I am constantly fighting. Some people I work with better than others, and some people can't really be worked with at all. and just like business, where you gotta spend money to make money, you gotta give respect to get respect. :) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 03:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So like with books, got any movie recommendations? Lately, I've seen Pirates 3, Knocked Up, Blood Diamond, 11:14, and Dark City. (I've been looking for thematic citations on the latter; see here.) —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see a lot of movies, as I don't usually have a lot of time. The ones I see are when I am on the plane or whatever. Pirates was fun, but a bit disappointing to me (though not nearly as disappointing as Batman & Robin, Highlander 2, Highlander Endgame or the last Matrix film). I did see Knocked Up and 11;14 and wasn't all that impressed by them. Blood Diamond was pretty good. I liked The Illusionist coz Ed Norton is friggin' brilliant, and he usually ends up in good films, which Illusionist certainly was (much more than the less-than-satisfactory Prestige - I like having someone to root for). When I have the time, i usually watch some science show or read a book. I get recommendations from a couple people before I commit to seeing a movie, since I tend to be insulted by stupid movies or those films that specifically try to manipulate my emotions (Lifetime is never on in my home), and I end up in a crabby mood the rest of the day. I will be going to see the new Potter film with my nephews, as I promised them, even thought they are too young. It is part of my job s an uncle to fill them with sugar, caffeine and scary movies before giving them back tot heir parents. Uwah hah hah, and all that. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 04:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Clerks II?, Just Cause?, Goodfellas?, Dollars Trilogy Maybe you don't want to worry about remembering the main character's name? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I did like Clerks 2 coz we saw the same zany antics, but there was a point to the story that sometimes seems missing with a Kevin Smith "slice-o-life" film. I remember seeing Just Cause many years ago, and only recall that I was please that Connery wasn't cast in another bomb (it almost seems to be an unfair Holywood legend that Connery had the worst possible instincts for which roles to take). I liked Gooffellas, even though I don't really like Liotta. The Man With No Name films I do like, even though I often dislike a lot of movies from the late 60's and early 70's. Maybe it was some weird cinematography thing, but it always looked like people were wearing really uncomfortable clothing, and were sweating all the time, and I tend to sympathize with the characters.
- My tastes in film tend to be pretty odd. I liked the 13th Warrior, even though it had Banderas in it. Strange Days, and The Long Kiss Goodnight were also pretty good. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 12:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I remember watching Just Cause with my parents (mom's a big Connery fan), and I remember liking it so I Amazoned it. But I found it at Wal-Mart on Friday so I bought it there. I watched it last night actually. I laughed harder at Clarks II than I did for the first one. The Dollars Trilogy is probably one of my favorite set of movies. The soundtrack is killer. I have just about every Eastwood western, though some of them I don't like the character; he basically raped a woman in High Plains Drifter. I've never sat through all of The 13th Warrior, and never seen Strange Days. I like The Long Kiss Goodnight, not a great movie, but entertaining. What about The Ugly? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Never heard of The Ugly. I recognize that you are far more a connoisseur of horror films than I am. Part of my personality is understanding function ove form, and so many horror films don't make sense to me, and that ruins the enjoyment of the plot for me. Primal fear films work for a while, but I get bored of the unrelenting gore and manipulative usage of low frequency rumbling (which activates the caveman in all of us afraid of getting trampled, the trampling stampede-y sound being a low frequency transmitted through the ground); next time you see a particularly scary film, pay attention to the usage of low frequency sound effects used to heighten your fear. It's really quite manipulative.
The reason I like the 13th Warrior is the fact that it's cast is made up of essentially the leading men from a number of different countries largely unknown to the American audience. It's a total guy film. Stange Days is dated, being set right before the Millenium. It would have been better had they not done that, but Angela Bassett kicking ass in a chauffeur's uniform? Priceless. As well, that's probably why I like Kiss Goodnight as well - no one would cast Geena Davis as an ass-kicking government killer, and she pulls it off really well. the bad guys and the plot is pretty believable. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 14:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(EC) I agree about Pirates 3 -- I enjoyed it, but wasn't truly satisfied in the end. I liked Matrix Revolutions in some regards, but it was flawed. (They should've stopped at the first one, basically.) I didn't like 11:14 that much, either -- it just seemed like a movie to show off the intertwined storyline technique and nothing else. I did like Knocked Up, though, more because of the contemporary references (I foresee the movie getting dated fast, though, for that reason) and because one of my roommates of the past two years basically had a lifestyle like the main guy's friends (except for that celeb porn site biz). I liked The Prestige more than The Illusionist (saw the ending coming from a mile away) because the concept was chilling to me and reminded me of The Butterfly Effect. And I gotta say Blood Diamond was weird for me to watch -- it was like one of these action romps but with too serious of a background (the carnage in Africa) to really appreciate. I think Fernando Meirelles' City of God and The Constant Gardener delivered more strongly using similar premises. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to see Clerks II via Netflix, but the DVD was scratched up. I haven't gotten around to seeing it, but I generally enjoy the crude nature of Kevin Smith movies. I need to get around to seeing The 13th Warrior, as I've heard good enough things about it to check it out. I need to check out Strange Days, though -- I'm a sucker for sci-fi, even the soft variety. The Long Kiss Goodnight, I'm interested in checking out because I saw and loved Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, which had the same writer (who also directed the latter one). I have a ridiculous amount of movies on which I'd like to catch up -- my Netflix queue, at last count, was 452 movies. I'm wanting to see The Lives of Others and Downfall (Alientraveller's recommendation). Kind of hard to see many movies nowadays, though... with my internship, it's a full work week, and I'm socializing with other interns during my free time. I don't cross paths with too many film aficionados. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The Ugly is less horror and more psychological. The leading man won a best actor award in New Zealand for his work in the film. It's kind of like a Silence of the Lambs in that respect. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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