Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China/Chinese-language entertainment/Archive 1

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user infobox

Is there a user infobox (i.e.

This user participates in
WikiProject
Chinese-language entertainment.

) for this WikiProject?

82nigiri 23:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I can whip one out by tomorrow. Stay tuned. Arsonal 23:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

You should have put Faye's face on it! Because as we all know, she is the reigning queen of Chinese pop. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, clearly. (rolls eyes) Haha. Pandacomics 19:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Arsonal for the infobox!

ROC vs. Taiwan

While it is true that the ROC is used on all formal documents (e.g. passport), I think Taiwan is fine for music. Reasons:

• Most people prefer to say "Taiwan" instead of "R-O-C." It's the same reason why people say "China" instead of "P-R-C" or "People's Republic of China."
• Taiwanese people say they are from "Taiwan." I've NEVER heard a Taiwanese say "I'm from R-O-C" or "I'm ROC-ese." It's just not right.
• The ROC *beep* (I won't get into the legal status of it, as that will violate the neutral political status rule).
• The PRC replaced the ROC, which therefore doesn't legally exist (i think).

82nigiri 23:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm going to apply the Stalin rule here. I'm pretty sure the Georgians back then didn't say that they were USSR-ian. They probably said they were from Georgia, but yet they're from (insert city here), USSR, simply because that's how the political entity was known then. Similarly, going back further, people probably didn't say they were from the Napoleonic Empire, they probably said they were French. Or Italian. And having both names is to be fair to both sides, plain and simple. You can disagree, and I can disagree with whatever pro-TI standpoint you may have. But again, Wikipedia is not a place to push viewpoints. Our project isn't a place to push viewpoints. It's a place to improve articles on artists, plain and simple. Pandacomics 00:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Funny you should mention it. I was actually looking this up on Wikipedia's consensus on the ROC today. The problems we've been having with this issue is what to put on the Origin field for an artist's infobox. Some people have been reverting all the entries that have Republic of China (Taiwan) to Taiwan. Wikipedia's consensus states that "Republic of China (Taiwan)" or "Taiwan (Republic of China)" is preferred "when identifying nationality or origin". However, this may get confused with the consensus stating that Taiwan is preferred when indicating birthplace. Many artists in the Taiwanese market are not born in Taiwan, thus they would get the ROC origin field, while artists born in Taiwan will be given Taiwan. It just gets confusing.

But the consensus that Pandacomics and I have come to is to use "ROC (Taiwan)" in the origin regardless because we are not using the birthplace field. Artists not from Taiwan will use the country name of wherever they were born or are a citizen of. The main text of the articles actually uses "Taiwan" over "ROC" because of "referring to an article or subject specific to the island of Taiwan", particularly the music industry. Arsonal 00:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh jeez. More cross-straits issues. Seems like they are everywhere sometimes. Hopefully it won't be a big problem for this new WikiProject. Nice work starting it up, by the way! Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Cantopop WikiProject proposal

Just a note - not sure if everybody is aware, but there is a current WikiProject proposal for a Cantopop WikiProject. I just left a message there to say that it may not be necessary anymore.[1] Cheers. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Haha, that was ages ago. Smcafirst has since hopped on board. Pandacomics 06:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)