Talk:Number of the beast

INTRODUCTION NOT NPOV?

The introductory paragraph contains the following statement:

Scholars contend that the number is a code for the Roman Emperor Nero, a view that is supported by the Roman Catholic Church

This implies, I submit, that all scholars endorse a preterist view of Revelation, and anyone who does not accept a preterist interpretation is not a scholar.

My suggestion would be to modify the text as follows:

Some scholars contend that the number is a code for the Roman Emperor Nero, a view that is supported by the Roman Catholic Church. Others believe that Revelation is primarily a parable, and view the Mark as purely an element of this parable. Finally, others believe that it refers to future events which have not yet transpired.

I submit that this, or something like it, would be more NPOV, and would address each of the three main schools of thought about Revelation in the opening sentence.

Thoughts??

Bonbga 18:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

"Mark" Χάράγμά of the Beast is MONEY

Someone keeps erasing my theory of the "Mark" of the beast being money.

The Greek word mistranslated as "Mark" (Χάράγμά) actually means MONEY.

When you put it all into context (Nero's picture on all the coins, Jesus saying, "You can't serve God & Money for you will either love the one or hate the other," upsetting the moneychangers, sending his disciples out without money in their purses; you see the correct translation is:

"No one buys or sells without the money of the beast in mind/hand."

SOURCE: [1] 150.135.161.145 18:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC) RAQUEL BARANOW

You'll need a more reliable source than that. Also, you calling it "my theory" suggests original research, and Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. If you can find a reliable source, however, please do include it, with the proper citations. —The preceding signed comment was added by Cadby (talk • contribs) 23:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. This page is for discussing the subject of 666 which is what he is doing. The meaning of the original Greek word for Mark is very important. If it actually means money then that is very important. You can verify the definition of the original Greek word in Revelation rendered Mark by looking it up in a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the King James Bible.

EnduranceRace 06:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The source I used is from the Liddell-Scott Greek-English Lexicon. I made a jpeg of the page and also provided an online link to Liddell Scott all at my website here: http://666isMONEY.com.

It's not my theory it's just common sence of the definition in context. Χάράγμά means MONEY, hence, "No one buys or sells without the MONEY of the beast." Moreover, at the time the Revelation was written, the Jews revolted against Rome and coined their own money. Nero was the emperor at the time. "The numbers of his name" = 666 (see the original article -- at least the Wiki article gets that right.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.146.169.11 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 19 June 2007.

That web site you've cited as a reference is a cheesy, kooky, conspiracy theory site; it is hate filled, anti-government, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, and a sorry excuse for anything decent, useful, or legitimate. WikiMasterCreator 07:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Although I hate money, what disturbed me about the site is the idea of getting rid of the money. To achieve a cashless society the only way to do that without the possibility of identity theft would be a ID computer chip in the RIGHT HAND. "ID CHIP MARKS" = 666 in multiples of 6. www.666myth.com. Verify in the calculator on this site. And what is really scary is uncooperatives forced to be implanted with a mind control computer chip in the forehead. EnduranceRace 10:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

666? isn't it 616? and 665? isn't it 667?

Acording to Qi's book 'The Book Of General Ignorance' recent historians have found an older bible that states that 616 is the number of the beast.

No. They found a tiny fragment of paper that may or may not be a fragment of Revelation. I do not believe that this tiny fragment of paper is really from Revelation. EnduranceRace 06:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually there are manuscripts stating that 616, and 667, and 665, and 666, is the number. Historians have found all of these numbers, as well as a couple of others, in older texts. Hey it's lunch time again, Jack in the Box? John

Is it just a coincidence that EnduranceRace posted at 6:16? Maxwell's Daemon 15:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It is 616 Londo06 18:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Men of Galilei set G = 666.616... x 10^-10 tail³/tail-tail² John

Logic

• The number of a man .A man's number constitutes of two arms and two legs divided into three and a head, the abdomen and the thorax divided by the neck. These parts of the body are marked into the palm of the hand for it is the image of a man. Another place where we find such mark is on the lungs. The right side of the lungs contains two fissures and the left side one.

2/3=0.66666666..., 3/2=1.5, 1/15=0.06666..., 1/666=0.0015015015..., 2*3=6, 1/6=0.16665..., 1/5=0.2, 1/3=0.33333..., 5*3=15, 5+3=8

In the dream of king Nebuchadnezzar, the image of a man in the form of an idol in a set of five elements and a rock(which is three)a kingdom was given to him and looks like the same kingdom is given to the beast as well.(pride and idolatry).

18:22, 25 May 2007 [twentythreethousand]

"600+600+600+6= 1806 August 6, 1806- End of The Holy Roman Empire. Sometimes things aren't as big as they seem. 66.138.8.148 20:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)Lisa C."

How about Greeks ? Right now we're using the knowledge of Romans and Greeks.It's still their kingdom and it hasn't died.

00:30, 27 June 2007 twentythreethousand

• The left hand is wealth and the right hand is life. According to the book of the Revelation the Devil puts wealth on the right hand.
• The requirements of money for making a vow. Leviticus chapter 27.

Remove the markup under the section "666 as a name"?

Can anyone explain that strange markup in the section "666 as a name" under the words "Adding the corresponding values yields 666, as shown:"? Is it TeX? If no one objects I will remove it. The information can be shown in a table instead. Davidimai 11:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Quoted text and reverts

I reverted an edit by an anonymous user that changed what was in quoted text. I think it is obvious why we shouldn't change quoted text. If we change quoted text, we are putting words in our sources mouth that simply are not there. Also, according to the manual of style, "This guideline does not apply to quoted text, which should be quoted exactly." So I'm curious why my revert was reverted?-Andrew c 13:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

666 Numerology Calculators

Note: There is a real danger here that this code is a trap layed out for us. Just calculating this may be breathing life into the image of the wild beast and it could turn into something very ugly or on the other hand it could be the way to save us from ourselves.

Basis 3: A=3 B=6 C=9 D=12 E=15 F=18 and so on all the way to Z in multiples of 3

Basis 6: A=6 B=12 C=18 D=24 E=30 F=36 and so on all the way to Z in multiples of 6

Basis 9: A=9 B=18 C=27 D=36 E=45 F=54 and so on all the way to Z in multiples of 9

Basis 36: A=36 B=37 C=38 D=39 E=40 F=41 and so on all the way to Z in counting up from 36. 36 is used because 6X6=36.

Telephone Code: A=2 B=2 C=2 D=3 E=3 F=3 G=4 H=4 I=4 J=5 K=5 L=5 M=6 N=6 O=6 P=7 Q=0 R=7 S=7 T=8 U=8 V=8 W=9 X=9 Y=9 Z=0 Q=0 and Z=0 because they are not found on the telephone keypad of line phones. x2 telephone code is multiplying telephone code by 2. Likewise X3 telephone code is multiplying telephone code by 3. etc...

666 Calculator Website at http://www.666myth.com This site has numerological calculators on it to calculate the values of names, places, words and sentances to see if they add up to 666. Very interesting. MR GW BUSH = 666 in Basis 6. I discovered that SATAN THE DEVIL = 666 in Basis 36 reverse order. DEVIL'S INTERNET = 666 in Basis 36 SATAN'S WEBSITES = 666 in Basis 36. AMERICA AND SYRIA = 666 in Basis 36. GEORGE BUSH LOVES WAR = 666 and SATAN LOVES THE WARS = 666 in Basis 3. SATAN LOVES ORAL SEX = 666 and SATAN LOVES ABORTION = 666 and A SATAN LOVES HARLOTS = 666 and YEHOVAH HATES THE DEVIL = 666 and YEHOVAH HATES McDONALD'S = 666 and YEHOVAH HATES SOBEY'S = 666 in Basis 3. A EATING THE SEMEN IS EVIL = 666 and THE SERPENTS ARE A EVIL = 666 in Basis 3. BIRTH CONTROL PILLS = 666 in Basis 3. INFANTICIDAL = 666 and ABORTIVE SURGEONS = 666 in Basis 3 reverse order. In Basis 36 reverse order TO EAT MUSHROOMS = 666. In Basis 36 TO GIVE BLOW JOBS = 666. In Basis 3 FAST FOOD RESTURANT = 666 and BIRTH CONTROL PILLS = 666. MEDICINE = 666 in ASCII upper case reverse order. AN HERBAL DRUG = 666 in Basis 6. THE REMEDIES = 666 in Basis 6. A CLOUDY DAY = 666 in Basis 6. IN THE DARK = 666 in ASCII. AMUSEMENT PARKS = 666 and SUPERSTITIOUS = 666 in Basis 36. CATHOLICS = 666 in ASCII. MORMON = 666 in Basis 9 reverse order. THE AMISH WILL BE IN PARADISE = 666 in x6 telephone code. ALEISTER CROWLEY IS EVIL = 666 in x6 telephone code. SPERMOGNOSTICS IS EVIL = 666 in x6 telephone code. CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS IS BAD = 666 in x6 telephone code. HALLOWEEN IS EVIL = 666 in x9 telephone code. THE LAKE OF FIRE IS A LICK OF FIRE = 666 in x6 telephone code. SIX SIX SIX MARK ON FOREHEAD IS A MIND CONTROL COMPUTER CHIP = 777 in x3 telephone code YEHOVAH GOD IS THE TRUE SPELLING AND PRONUNCIATION OF YHVH = 777 in x3 telephone code. YAHWEH IS A LIE OF THE JEWS TO HIDE THE NAME OF YEHOVAH GOD = 666 in x3 telephone code SIX HUNDRED SIXTY SIX = 666 in x6 telephone code. SIX SIX SIX CODE = 666 in x9 telephone code SIX SIX SIX CODES = 666 in Basis 36 reverse order. BEAST CODE = 666 in Basis 9. GW BUSH AND SADDAM = 666 in Basis 36. A ADOLF HITLER = 666 in Basis 6. HITLER = 666 in Basis 100. A RONALD REAGAN = 666 in Basis 6. A OSAMA BIN LADEN = 666 in Basis 6. THE PHONE ALPHANUMERIC CODE = 666 x6 telephone code THE MOUSE POINTERS = 666 in Basis 3 THE DIESEL ENGINE = 666 in Basis 3. AN ELECTRIC FAN = 666 in Basis 6. AN ELECTRIC PUMP = 666 in Basis 3 reverse order. A WIFE BEATING = 666 in Basis 3 reverse order. TORTURE FOR THE EVIL = 666 in Basis 3 reverse order. THE HELL OF FIRE = 666 in Basis 3 reverse order. A HELL IS JUST THE GRAVE = 666 in Basis 3 reverse order but A HELL IS'NT JUST THE GRAVE = 666 in x6 telephone code. SIX SIX SIX IS'NT TRUE = 666 in x6 telephone code. SIX SIX SIX MYTH = 666 in Basis 3 reverse order. In the Happy 13 code WILLIAM J CLINTON = 666 but he also equils 666 in GREEK and HEBREW codes found at: BILL CLINTON BART SIMPSON IS EVIL = 666 in Basis 3. THE BLACK CATS ARE WITCHES CATS = 777 in Basis 3. THE UNIVERSAL JOINT = 666 in Basis 3. Found in all automobiles. BALL BEARINGS = 666 in Basis 3 reverse order. THE ELECTRONICS = 666 in Basis 3 reverse order. SATAN IN THE COMPUTER = 666 in Basis 3. SATAN IS THE COMPUTER = 777 in Basis 3 reverse order. TECHNOLOGY OF SATAN = 777 in Basis 3 reverse order. TECHNOLOGY IS FROM SATAN = 666 in x6 telephone code. SERPENT IS NOT TRUE GOD = 666 in x6 telephone code. UFO'S AND ALIENS ARE NOT REAL = 666 in x6 telephone code. SATAN THE DEVIL IS BEHIND THE UFO CONSPIRACY THEORIES = 666 in x3 telephone code. HERMAPHRODITE = 666 in Basis 36 reverse order. CONSPIRACY THEORIES = 666 in Basis 3. COMPUTERS HAVE SENSORS BUILT INTO THEM TO ALLOW DEMONS TO CONTROL THEM = 666 in x2 telephone code. Sarkozy = 666 in Basis 9 reverse order. President Nicolas Paul Sarkozy = 666 in REDUCED A0X6 in Ultra AlphaNum Calculator. Nicolas Paul Sarkozy is running for president of France. WITCH = 666 in Happy 13x18. Both WITCHCRAFT and WITCHERY = 666 in Basis 6. THE UNITED NATIONS BEAST = 1,666 in ASCII Upper Case reverse order. YEHOVAH HATES WAR and YEHOVAH HATES SIN = 1,666 in ASCII lower case reverse order. YEHOVAH GOD IS THE CREATER OF ALL THE PEOPLES LANGUAGES = 666 in x3 telephone code. PREDESTINATION IS TRUE = 666 in x6 telephone code. PACTS WITH DEVIL = 666 in x9 telephone code. DEVIL DEAL = 666 in Basis 9. DEALS WITH SATAN = 666 in Basis 3 reverse order. ALL YEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE BORN AGAIN = 3,666 in Basis 100 reverse order. YEHOVAH HATES THE MEDICINE = 2,666 in Basis 100 reverse order. American Standard Code for Information Interchange = 6,666 in Happy 13x66.

All the things below = 666 in Basis 6. 666 Calculator Website at http://www.666myth.com

A RAY M OKEEFFE = 666 in Basis 6. Ray M Okeeffe an Australian was the one who discovered many of the examples you see below.

Beast Test, Lucifer Hell, Lucifer Hades, Devil Sheol, Farting Bum, Bio Implant, A President, Iran and America, A War in Iraq, A Christmas, Santa Claus, McDonalds Inc, Golden Arches, French Fries, MR GW BUSH, Bush and Blair, America Wars, America News, ID CHIP MARKS, Mark of Beast, See the Sign, PROM ID CHIP (programable read only memory), Man Medical Chip, Electric Chip, American Beast, Americans Man, Free American ID, Freedom Men ID, SS NUMBER, Roman America, American Ceasar, Nth Americas, American Force, US Corps, War for Peace, U.S. Crusade, Dollar Sign, Money Greed, False Market, Monkey Man, Beast Test, E Identity (E=Electronic), US of America, Man Circuit, World ID Lie, Death Marking, Final Man King, End Time King, Man Election, Man Wisdom, Craft degrees (First three degrees of Freemasonry) (Masonic = 666 in Basis 9) Skeptic Man, Man precept, Devils Pact, Son of Sin, Corrupt, False Signs, Psychic Man, War is Good, To Be Online, The Hardware, Computer, The Webpages, Hardened Heart, Falling Away.

I would like to see info on this subject added to the article along with the link to the 666 Calculator site. What do you people think? 666 Calculator Website at http://www.666myth.com

Interestingly ISRAEL GOD = 666 in ASCII as well as HOLY BIBLE. YEHOVAH = 777 in Basis 100 and A YEHOVAH GOD = 666 in Basis 6. A SATAN IS A GOD = 666 in Basis 6. The fact that GOD IDENTIFIED = 666 in Basis 6 helps in understanding why ISRAEL GOD = 666 in ASCII. WATCHTOWER BIBLE = 666 in x9 telephone code SIX SIX SIX CODES = 666 in Basis 36 reverse order. SIX SIX SIX CODE = 666 in x9 telephone code BEAST I renamed.

MICROSOFT INC WANTS TO DISTRIBUTE A LINUX OPERATING SYSTEM SO THEY CAN PUT A BACKDOOR IN IT FOR OFFICIALS AT THE UNITED STATES NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY = 666 in x1 telephone code. NSA IS A USA GOVERNMENT'S NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY = 666 in x3 telephone code. NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY IS BEING RUN BY WORSHIPPERS OF THE SERPENT SATAN = 666 in x3 telephone code. NSA IS A USA GOVERNMENT'S NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY = 666 in x3 telephone code. THE REAL PEOPLE RUNNING A USA ARE NOT A SHEEP LIKE PEOPLE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC = 666 in x2 telephone code. A YEHOVAH GOD SAYS THE NSA IS A CRIMINAL AGENCY ACTING ABOVE THE LAW = 777 in x3 telephone code. YEHOVAH GOD IS USING THE INTERNET TO EXPOSE ILLUMINARIES = 777 in x3 telephone code. MANY PEOPLE LEARN TO NOT BE AFRAID OF A SIX SIX SIX CODE = 666 in x3 telephone code. USA GOVERNMENT ARE IN CONTACT WITH THE DEMONS NOW = 666 in x3 telephone code. DEMONS COMMUNICATE WITH NSA WITH ITS COMPUTERS = 666 in x3 telephone code. THE NSA KNOW THEIR COMMUNICATIONS ARE FROM A DEMONS = 666 in x3 telephone code. THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY IS RUN BY NAZIS RIGHT NOW = 1,666 in x7 telephone code. NSA IS RUN BY NAZIS NOW = 1,666 in x17 telephone code. THE NSA IS ABLE TO KNOW LOCATION OF ALL THE COMPUTERS = 666 in x3 telephone code.

YEHOVAH LOVES YESHUWA = 777 in Basis 3. YEHOVAH IS YESHUWA'S GOD = 777 in Basis 3. YEHOVAH IS TRULY GREAT = 777 in Basis 3. WATCHTOWER ORG WEBSITE = 777 in Basis 3. www.watchtower.org - SIX SIX SIX CODE IS EVIL = 777 in Basis 3. YEHOVAH AND SIX SIX SIX = 777 in Basis 3. YEHOVAH'S SIX SIX SIX = 777 in Basis 3.

Other possible codes would be the "Stepping Up Code" not found in the Calculator site. A=1 B=1 C=2 D=1 E=2 F=3 G=1 H=2 I=3 J=4 K=1 L=2 M=3 N=4 O=5 P=1 Q=2 R=3 S=4 T=5 U=6 V=1 W=2 X=3 Y=4 Z=5 As in the telephone calculator there would be a x1 x2 x3 x4 x5 x6 and so on all the way to x125 and beyond as well as a reverse order of the code. Also 6+6+6=18 code or Basis 18 has not been used yet. A=18 B=19 C=20 D=21 E=22 F=23 G=24 H=25 and so on to Z and a reverse order of the code.

666 in old testament removed from article. Why?

From 1 Kings:

14. Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold, 15 besides that which came from the explorers and from the business of the merchants, and from all the kings of the west and from the governors of the land.

This seems like critical information. The phrase "Let he who has wisdom" suggests that some text related with wisdom (like the Bible) is being used as the cipher for a code. Why was it removed? --Ryan Wise 14:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

That is meaningless information. There is no trustworthy scholar who would accept that argument at all.--User:Anonymous

The fact that the same number appears in the Old Testament is demonstratably factual, and not subject to dispute. Do you think that it's a coincidence? You're welcome to add evidence to support that angle. The existance of the citation that I gave is fact. Try googling "Solomon 666" and you'll see that this issue has been noted and addressed numerous times, enough to be included as a popular reference, if nothing else. If you think that the reference is somehow unrelated to the usage in Revelations, you're more than welcome to cite your own scholars to explain why. --Ryan Wise 23:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Also Solomon was said to have prayed to YEHOVAH for Wisdom and the 666 talents of gold comes from the merchants and in Revelation it says that people would not be able to buy or sell without getting the number 666 on their right hands or forheads.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.6.162.222 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 2 June 2007.

Also the Holy Scriptures says that YEHOVAH told Solomon that since he prayed for Wisdom and not Riches He was going to give him both. In Revelation it calls God the ALPHA and the OMEGA and it also says let he who has Wisdom calculate the number of the wild beast because it is a number for humans. 124.6.165.163 01:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Mark of the Beast and Mark of Commerce

This is my first post, so please be patient if I screw up. . .

I read the article on the Mark of the Beast, and was struck by the passage concerning the use of the number 666 as a mark of commerce

It appears to me that the reference to commerce would be incomprehensible to any reader who was not, already, familiar with Revelation because it fails to cite, quote or even mention the relevant passage from Revelation 13: (the following quote is from the New International Version):

"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name."

Rev. 13, verses 16-17.

Indeed, verses 16-17 are not mentioned at any point in the entire article about Mark of the Beast, but these two verses comprise about two-thirds of the Biblical material concerning the Mark of the Beast.Bonbga 16:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that the section on Commerce be amended to insert this quotation (or, at least a summary of same) and that an introductory sentence be added to the section explaining that the attempted interpretation of this quotation has led to various theories about its meaning . . . then follow up with the material already presented.

Thoughts?

I agree that this Biblical quote should be added to the article itself. EnduranceRace 07:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

An alternative approach to understanding 666

In Rev 13:9, the author implores to the reader “he who has an ear, let him hear”. So consider the following clues to an understanding of the beasts of Revelation.

In Rev 10, John describes an angel holding a little scroll, with one foot planted in the sea and the other foot planted on the land.

Then in Rev 13, he describes not one, but two beasts, one from the sea and another from the earth. Two Old Testament prophets went to call the people of Nineveh to repent, Jonah from the sea via the belly of a whale as is well known, and then Nahum on the same mission 600 years later from the land. John may have been alluding to the OT prophets when describing the two beasts, but Christ was clearly equated with Jonah (Christ himself suggested he would be in the belly of the earth for three days just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale).

One of the simplest ways to disguise what you are saying is to say exactly the opposite. So consider the decoding of Chapter 13 presented below, remembering of course that as far as the Jewish authorities were concerned, Jesus was a blasphemer (the father and I are one), and contradicted (made war on) the OT ‘saints’ (no longer hate your enemies as they said, but rather love your enemies etc.).

If 333 represents a trinity of trilogies and established in Christ, 666 merely represents twice 333, the second advent of Christ. Any thinking man can see the trick of using the substitution of antonyms, so as to then simply calculate the number of the beast.

As John comments later when explaining the beast in Rev 17:8, the inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come again.

Revelation 13

1 And God stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw God’s anointed coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.

2 God’s anointed resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. To His anointed God gave his power and his throne and great authority.

3 One of the heads of God’s anointed seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed God’s anointed.

4 Men worshipped God because he had given authority to His anointed, and they also worshipped His anointed and asked, Who is like His anointed? Who can make war against him?

5 His anointed was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for three and a half years.

6 He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling-place and those who live in heaven.

7 He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship Jesus — all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

9 He who has an ear, let him hear.

10 If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

11 Then I saw another of God’s anointed, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.

12 He exercised all the authority of the first of God’s anointed on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first of God’s anointed, whose fatal wound had been healed.

13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.

14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honour of God’s anointed who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first of God’s anointed, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,

17 so that no-one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the God’s anointed or the number of his name.

18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the God’s anointed, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

Sorry, but it was too hard to read. Reformat, so not running off page. Thanks. John

Interpretations

Name

Scientifically

Set the gravitational constant to 616 instead of 666? Make this elusive universal constant 667 instead of 665? It is no problem with the correct Rev. 12 dragon and Rev. 13 beast interpretation. Why does the Controversy over Newton's Gravitational Constant persist to this day? Come on, isn't it the 21st century? Surely the physicists who worship 10-digit accuracy and precision can nail this beast down. But they unrelentlessly dragon. It was Galileo Galilei who first gravitated the Bible's wisdom mark, name, image, and number (Rev. 13:17, 14:11, 15:2) to Jesus himself, whom The Revelation of Jesus Christ is about.

Rev. 12 dragon

• Gravitation's "G", the Letter of God, the mark.
• Gravitation's "JESUS", the Word of God, the name.
• Gravitation's "G'S US", the Sentence of God, the image.
• Gravitation's ".666 x 10^-7 length^3/mass-time^2", the Wisdom of God, the number.

[seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (.666), ten horns (x 10), seven crowns (^-7), and tail third (length^3/mass-time^2) part]

Rev. 13 beast

• Gravitation's "G", the Letter of God, the mark.
• Gravitation's "JESUS", the Word of God, the name.
• Gravitation's "G'S US", the Sentence of God, the image.
• Gravitation's "666. x 10^-10 length^3/mass-time^2", the Wisdom of God, the number.

[seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (666.), ten horns (x 10), ten crowns (^-10), and tail third (length^3/mass-time^2) part]

Here's the facts: dragon = beast

• Weights and measures changes affect buying and selling.
• All students forced to learn and write the mark.
• Image "G'S US" both speak "JESUS".
• Universally "G" everywhere.
• Book's about Jesus.
• "G" worshipped.

New mass SI base unit prototype again? No, the debated SI definition: "The kilogram is the unit of mass; it is equal to the mass of 1/15 000 000 000 Newtonian constant of gravitation." The one used by Rev. John Michell and the other by Henry Cavendish weren't very scientific. Even the current one of the seven is still just a prototype, the only one. Go figure? Six six six (666), six one six (616), six six seven (667), six six five (665), take your pick, they're all right at high mass and low mass. But remember to power the beast's system with a dragon's notation.

John

Do you have a source for any of that? It seems suspiciously like original research, which is a no-no on Wikipedia. --clpo13 22:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, several. I like the way the dragon gives the beast his power myself. Why do none of the article's interpretations cover seven heads, three sixes, ten horns, seven crowns and ten crowns, and tail third part for the universal Creator's mark, name, image and number of The Revelation of Jesus Christ? Their's do. John

Here is wisdom: according to the Wikipedians;

01) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Nero"

02) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "A Talent of Gold"

03) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Nero Caesar"

04) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Neron"

05) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Domitian"

06) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Credit Cards"

07) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Barcodes"

08) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Forced Sunday Worship"

09) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "6,000 Years of Apostasy"

10) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Domitian Killed Christians"

11) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "The First Six Roman Numerals"

12) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "The Physical Universe"

13) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Martin Luther 666 Years"

14) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Jehovah Witnesses Imperfection"

15) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "The Great Greek Beast"

16) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "A Novel"

17) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Homo Sapiens"

18) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "The Sixth Day of Man"

19) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "A Hexagram"

20) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Believers of Rapture"

21) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Arabic Letters"

22) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "The Inability to Buy God"

23) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "6 Work Days, 1 Rest Day"

24) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Endless Work"

25) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Ronald Wilson Reagan"

Since wisdom calculates a single man's name the list of 25 shortens to 5;

01) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Nero"

03) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Nero Caesar"

04) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Neron"

05) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Domitian"

25) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Ronald Wilson Reagan"

Since only 1 out of the 5 had any sort of wisdom the list of 5 shortens to 1;

25) The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages is "Ronald Wilson Reagan"

Should the last be first in the Wiki article?

NASB: But many who are first will be last; and the last, first.

GWT: However, many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

KJV: But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

ASV: But many shall be last that are first; and first that are last.

BBE: But a great number who are first will be last, and some who are last will be first.

DBY: But many first shall be last, and last first.

ERV: But many shall be last that are first; and first that are last.

WEY: "But many who are now first will be last, and many who are now last will be first.

WBS: But many that are first shall be last, and the last shall be first.

WEB: But many will be last who are first; and first who are last.

YLT: and many first shall be last, and last first.

John

When I asked if you had a source, I meant an independent, verifiable, and reliable source (per WP:RS), not if it made sense. Original research means just what it sounds like. Indeed, your research may make more sense than the established researched that's sourced, but if it doesn't have a reliable source, it doesn't belong here. So, if you have outside sources, please provide them. --clpo13 06:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

When I answered yes, I meant yes; and when I answered several, I meant several.

""Wisdom gravitates the mark, name, image, and number (Rev. 13:17, 14:11, 15:2) to Jesus, whom the Book is about.

Rev. 12 dragon

• Gravitation's "G", the Letter of God, the mark.
• Gravitation's "JESUS", the Word of God, the name.
• Gravitation's "G'S US", the Sentence of God, the image.
• Gravitation's ".666 x 10^-7 length^3/mass-time^2", the Wisdom of God, the number.

[seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (.666), ten horns (x 10), seven crowns (^-7), and tail third (length^3/mass-time^2) part]

Rev. 13 beast

• Gravitation's "G", the Letter of God, the mark.
• Gravitation's "JESUS", the Word of God, the name.
• Gravitation's "G'S US", the Sentence of God, the image.
• Gravitation's "666. x 10^-10 length^3/mass-time^2", the Wisdom of God, the number.

[seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (666.), ten horns (x 10), ten crowns (^-10), and tail third (length^3/mass-time^2) part]

Here's the facts: dragon = beast

Weights and measures changes affect buying and selling.

All students forced to learn and write the mark.

Image "G'S US" both speak "JESUS".

Universally "G" everywhere.

Book's about Jesus.

"G" worshipped.""

(late Madalyn Murray O'Hair version)

was first published in 1986, and the copyright owned by, in Working Interest fractions;

1. Texas Jewish Post (1/7th of 8/8ths W.I.)

2. Playboy Magazine (1/7th of 8/8ths W.I.)

3. The Texas Catholic Newspaper (1/7 of 8/8ths W.I.)

4. American Atheist Newsletter (1/7th of 8/8ths W.I.)

5. The Dallas Morning News (1/7th of 8/8ths W.I.)

6. Dallas Observer (1/7th of 8/8ths W.I.)

7. The Society of Exploration Geophysicists; "The Leading Edge" (1/7th of 8/8ths W.I.)

per Deed Records (titled "Official Public Records"). So you're right, clpo13, image of "JESUS", namely "G'S US", that both speak...

NASB: And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak...

GWT: The second beast was allowed to put breath into the statue of the first beast. Then the statue of the first beast could talk...

KJV: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak...

ASV: And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak...

BBE: And he had power to give breath to the image of the beast, so that words might come from the image of the beast...

DBY: And it was given to it to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should also speak...

ERV: And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak...

WEY: And power was granted him to give breath to the statue of the Wild Beast, so that the statue of the Wild Beast could even speak...

WBS: And he had power to give life to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak...

WEB: It was given to him to give breath to it, to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak...

YLT: and there was given to it to give a spirit to the image of the beast, that also the image of the beast may speak...

..."Jesus", can't be used. The universal Creator's wisdom of all ages, "mark G, name JESUS, image G'S US, and number 666. x 10^-10 length^3/mass-time^2" [seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (666.), ten horns (x 10), ten crowns (^-10), and tail third (length^3/mass-time^2) part] taught at 1st century AD class for universal gravitation, a no no on Wikipedia. "Here is wisdom" then, this planet's Ronald Wilson Reagan, and this his First Statue.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is about G'S US president Ronald Reagan. Yay! with that resolved, what's for lunch? Wendy's. John

A different perspective on "666" in the New Age

I added this link, and now I am undoing its removal, because it was not a "SPAM" insertion, it explains a viewpoint sustained by thousand of people which consider that the divine can speak to humankind even in our days, through our hearts and minds, not only trough old texts and prophecies. Kryon is perhaps the most known and recognized channelled messenger from angelic beings, in the same way as many "orthodox" religious people consider "normal" to receive messages from angels or God through prophets in a byblical context. I think that no one who respect free expression can consider improper or intrusive this kind of fresh news in a so stuck and manipulative subject. Thank you for respecting this other viewpoint. Gco 06:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

While NPOV is a very important part of Wikipedia, we also have to consider no original research, and the importance of verifiability (i.e. citing reliable sources). This goes for EL links as well. Linking to an external site that doesn't cite sources, that isn't reliable, and that puts forward original research is just as bad as inserting similar content into wikipedia. You may want to consider reading WP:EL. I believe that the link that you added does not meet our standards for inclusion on multiple levels. -Andrew c ^[talk] 18:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)