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Dragon Ball Z (film)

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The creation of this article was not based on fact but on mere rumors on the internet. 20th Century Fox has never confirmed that the movie would be made, and they have released a statement in which they specifically refused to confirm the so-called new "info" from the Montreal Gazette on which this article is based. Currently, there's nothing substanciated about this supposed DB movie. Another rumor has popped up on the net last week (as dozens have, during the last 6 years), but it is not enough to revive this article. Currently no one -not even Fox- can confirm the allegations of the article from the Montreal Gazette, and until more concrete and official elements are made public, it remains a possible hoax. So, according to 2 criteria in the "reasons for deletion" policy ("Article information that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources" and "All attempts to find reliable sources in which article information can be verified have failed"), the article should be deleted Folken de Fanel 17:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: That is not true anymore. at first, the origonal movie was rumors, but now it is confirmed to be filmed in montreal. the montreal gazzeter, newsletter of montreal, and other actual sources like ign confirmed this. this article on the dragonballz film should not be deleted, but merged with the dragonballz article.

-cman7792 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cman7792 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: You're completely wrong. Fox refused to confirm what's in the Montreal Gazette article, which, until further notice, remains another hoax. By the way, IGN are merely reporting what the M.G. said and don't "confirm" anything (they have no ability to confirm anything since they're not involved in any way with the hypothetical production of the movie. Besides, it's IGN who reported that Fox didn't confirm). This article should be deleted, because based on unconfirmed rumors, no matter how hard some contributors here "want to believe"...As for a merge with the general DBZ article, I don't see enough concrete element to justify any mention of this.Folken de Fanel 20:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see enough concrete. This page could be deleted after the dragonballz live action film info is put into the dragonall z page. one of the sections on the page would be dragonballz live action film. that would be a merge and this is what we all want. you could have your opinion but you are looking for the wrong thing. -cman7792

There has been nothing concrete, Fox never confirmed they would make a DBZ movie, they just bought the right and that's all. There won't be anything on a DBZ live movie on the DBZ page, since there's no DBZ live movie.Folken de Fanel 22:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is alot of concrete. fox refused to comment on the montreal newspaper because they probably would like to announce it in a better way. if fox wasn't going to make the movie, they would of denied the news, not by not commenting. this article should be merged for now--Cman7792 23:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge. i heard this page is being considered for deletion. this page should not be deleted, but merged with the dragonballz article. -cman7792 (moved from here) Editor has made direct recommendation below. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What unsubstanciated rumors. The stuff about the dragonball z live action movie being filmed in montreal is true. Get your facts straight. you want proof that it is true. the montreal gazzeter which is an official newpaper in montreal canada claims it. i could picture the movie being made in montreal. this way fox doesn't have to pay as much taxes on the film-cman7792 Look, Folken de Fanel, everyone wants this film to be merged with the dragonballz page besides you. Look how many people agree with me rather than you:

1) The article in the Montreal Gazette has not been confirmed by Fox (that's quite the contrary). Until an official statement is made by Fox, the article is just another bogus report. Now, what you want to believe about the reality of the movie doesn't matter here, i hope you can understand that. No reliable and verified source, no article, that's all. Your beliefs alone won't do it.
2) Don't start with things like "look how many people agree with me". Anyone reading this page will see the obvious...Folken de Fanel 22:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


  • I disagree. The following headlines exist:
  • Gardner, Chris (2002). "Fox draws deal for 'DragonBall' live-action pics". The Hollywood Reporter. 372 (28). {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |day= ignored (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
  • Brodesser, Claude (2004-06-24). "Ramsey rolls 'Dragonball Z'". Variety. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  • Only the article about Fox buying the right is valid, the rest is just unconfirmed allegations just like the article that appeared recently. However, since we haven't heard officially from the movie for five years (and Fox never actually confirmed they would make the movie) I consider this highly non-notable for WP.Folken de Fanel 21:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Variety article was never ever confirmed by official sources. There has never been anything about the movie (there was, about the rights, but not about an actual movie) from Fox, and since 2002 there has been so many bogus reports from various internet sources, that now anything not direcly from Fox is not to be trusted. And we've seen another proof of this recently, with the Montreal Gazette article as good as denied by Fox.Folken de Fanel 21:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please read Variety. It is an official trade paper and The Hollywood Reporter's competitor. It completely qualifies as a reliable source, and there is zero reason to dismiss it. In addition, the project was apparently not "denied" by the studio -- per IGN, "This report cannot be confirmed as neither start dates nor locations are locked in at this point." This is not a denial in the strictest sense, and the author of the Montreal Gazette must have gotten potential information from somewhere. Calling it a hoax without any explanation is not warranted. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is all the reasons to dismiss it entirely since it is not official in any way and not affiliated with Fox or with any movie studio, and Fox has never confirmed the Variety article. Your personal interpretations of Fox words is irrelevant at this point, the Montreal Gazette is just another bogus report until Fox officially announce the movie themselves. Since the Gazette article was used to re-created this DB movie article on WP, then deletion is the only option since it's not a reliable source which could not be verified. If the only elements are internet gossips, then this article must be deleted. Using denied allegations to create articles is not warranted either.Folken de Fanel 22:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Secondary sources like Variety and The Hollywood Reporter are completely acceptable under reliable source criteria. WP:RS: "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." A primary source like the studio itself is not what is requested. Since you are lacking understanding about trade papers, these are the papers through which studios reveal news -- take a look at the film section. I used the wording that IGN used about the project, where there was no form of "denial" used -- that was your own interpretation. I merely pointed out that there was no clear-cut denial of the project. Considering the availability of two trade papers and a newspaper (not Internet gossip), it is notable enough to make mention of the history of this project. Like I've recommended, it should be done at Dragon Ball Z. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, Variety is not a reliable source, since the article about a so-called DB movie has never been fact checked and remains unconfirmed by Fox. It a 3 year old article than never proved itself true by actual movie development. I'm not "lacking understanding", I'm just realistic, if studios want to reveal news, they have their own means to do so. External websites are often based on gossips, rumors, fake sources, etc. Considering there's nothing official, nothing confirmed on the subject, only internet gossips and possibly bogus reports, there won't be anything here, until Fox officially confirm they're making the movie.Folken de Fanel 22:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, there is The Hollywood Reporter article from March 2002. I don't support the existence of this article at all, but this project actually had form at one point and should be mentioned in the article of the source material. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The project had no "form" at any point, Fox just bought the right almost 6 years ago, and they did nothing with it. An actual production process was never mentioned. The Variety article was just another unconfirmed rumor. That's why there isn't anything notable in it for WP.Folken de Fanel 21:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • In that case, it has no credibility whatsoever, because none of its info was confirmed either by statements from Fox, or by actual movie material released to the public. All the reports about the so-called movie have been proven bogus, and Fox itself never confirmed a movie was being made: in this circumstances, anything not from Fox is not reliable.Folken de Fanel 22:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There is literally no information in the article in question; in fact the article consists of a single paragraph which itself states that the information is unconfirmed. Unconfirmed=non-verifiable. HalfShadow 22:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The gazetter is a real source, so as the hollywood reporter. Newspapers and the nespaper's websites don't lie. the author must of gotten the information from somewhere. besides, fox never never denied that the film is in work. they just didn't say who the director is yet because they don't have a director yet, nor do they have a script, unless if they used the old one from 5 years ago when the film get cancelled when the film was in pre production. once fox hires people to work on the movie, more information will be revealed. add the info from dragonball z live action film to dragonallz article for now and if it turns out that it is a rumor, then it could be deleted. -cman7792

All this is pure unsubstanciated speculation. And yes, Newspapers and the newspaper's websites can lie. Welcome to the real world.22:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

funny how you claim that all the newspapers are lying about this movie. newspapers don't copy each other, they get information from RELIABLE sources. but enough about newspapers. you can't prove they are lying, and most of the time newspapers don't lie. Now lets get back on topic. Add the dragonballz live action film info into the dragonballz article now, and if it turns up that it was just a rumor then it could be deleted.

Newspaper are not the Absolute Truth, far from that. A reliable source in that case is Fox, and there has never been any statement from Fox about a movie. We don't care how bad you want the DB movie to be real, Wikipedia is not based on the assumptions of its contributors, it's based on verifiable facts. Rumors cannot be verified so they're not in the articles, that how WP works.Folken de Fanel 22:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge - The information is cited by reliable secondary sources, which is what Wikipedia asks for. Is the film going to be made, maybe/maybe not. It certainly isn't in production at the moment, and there isn't enough information to warrant separation. It will be better placed on the DBZ page until such time that it will be appropriate to separate.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge - It hasn't begun filming yet, and for now, who nows, it might not even be made. Merge to the Dragon Ball page for now--$UIT 00:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • IMDb is actually not considered a reliable source because it is user-submitted. Additionally, even if IMDb has a page about a film, this does not mean the film will come out. For example, a film adaptation of The Giver was pursued in 1994, but the film still has not entered the production stage all this time, despite having a page at IMDb, which is as old as 2004. Announced projects do not necessarily equate the immediate production of a film -- this lag is called development hell. The Spider-Man films have been in development since the 1980s. The resurrection of the new Superman and Batman films took longer than anticipated, too. Hope this makes sense -- it's just the nature of the industry to pick up rights whenever possible to produce a film, but there are many factors that stop a project from advancing. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge. The info about dbz being filmed in montreal seems to be true. just add this article into a dragongallz live action film on the dragonballz page for now

--Cman7792 23:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge per above, it is somewhat too early for a proper article and relatively little info has been confirmed.--JForget 22:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP I can't find anything that causes deletion of this article. I think there're so much well-based info (more than rumors) that it's very fool thinking that is false or poor-based. I vote against its deletion.

--S.V.B.E.E.V. 16:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • KEEP It seems you should do less arguing over deletion and focus on the information that you do have. There is no way this movie is not going to be made. Right now they have the other super hero movies coming out and DBZ would tank next to Ironman or the Spiderman movies. The demand for the movie will increase if we catalog the information we do have and project our anticiption of the film. The fact that the film is not yet in production shouldn't matter as much as the intent of making the movie as evidenced by Fox's purchase of the rights. It should also be noted that I friggin love me some DBZ.
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