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You can't just redirect. Siam is different than Thailand so it should have its own page.

Why not? In the last century the name of the country was changed from Siam to Thailand to Siam back to Thailand, and all of the enduring institutions of today's Thailand are inheritances from Siam. "Thailand" covers more than "Siam", but includes all of it; the best place to cover Siam would seem to be under Thailand. David K 11:55, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The information on municipalities is seriously obsolete: nowadays every amphoe has at least one municipality, thesaban tambon <name of amphoe> . That means there are nearly a thousand. As far as I know, all the sukhaaphibaan were eliminated in the process of creating the new municipalities. Is there someone with access to current government data who can update this?David K 11:55, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I could find numbers from the census 2000, which suggest that there were 7,408 Tambon (including the 154 kwaeng (แขวง) in Bangkok) and 69,307 Mubaan. Yet sadly those lists did not say about how many of the tambon are thesaban tambon, nor what happened with the Sukhaphiban. Once I find more information I will update those numbers (and probably write up those information into a article tambon). andy 22:50, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I came here via the 'Featured Article' link on the main page and I'm somewhat surprised to find absolutely nothing here on these topics which brought Thailand into world attention during the last year or so:

etc. I know that Rome wasn't edited in a day, but this being a featured article I was hoping to find something to put those media reports in perspective. In all fairness, the stuff which is already there looks like very serious work. regards, High on a tree 05:07, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the featured article was Provinces of Thailand, not all our articles about Thailand. That one article by itself (plus all the province articles) should be fairly complete, yet for Thailand by itself it has many holes yet for sure. You are of course right that those points you list are missing, so why not be bold and add something on them where it fits. As I am the main contributor of Thai topics I simply haven't found the time or enough background information to writeup something good. E.g. for the problems in the deep south - I know about the recent problems for sure, as well as some bits about the inclusion of the Pattani sultanate into Siam in beginning of the 20th century, but I am ignorant about all the developement during the 20th century. andy 09:22, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
I see, seems I clicked on the wrong link then - apologies... in any case, I definitely respect your fine work. My issue was that maybe the decision to make this a 'featured' article was a bit premature, because one would expect some sort of completeness. (Btw the CNN article I linked mentioned incidents in Yala, Pattani and Songkla, and to be fair in two of those articles the separatist movement is briefly mentioned.) I felt hesitant to enter things I only read in the newspaper into articles which already seem quite polished. (Actually I spent a day in Hat Yai once and I've read Platform by Houellebecq, but that doesnt make me an expert in Thai moslem separatism... ;) ) grüße, High on a tree 03:25, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Map

I just noticed the map here still lists neighbouring country Myanmar as Burma. This should be updated.

I disagree, but if you feel the urge, feel free. Markalexander100 03:04, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
It isn't much surprising, as that map is from the CIA world fact book (and thus PD) - and the USA is one of the few countries which did not accept the renaming to Myanmar. andy 07:44, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I started the comment, just forgot to put on my sig. I don't know much about East Asian politics but I do know that the official name for Burma is Myanmar. As long as the Myanmar is the official name, we should be using it. I won't bother finding a new map. If another agrees with me and is willing to update it, that would be great. --Will2k 14:54, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)

Provinces

"The name of each province is derived from its capital city." Isn't this the wrong way round? --Bobbagum 15:18, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't think so- the provinces take after the old-style meuang, where there was a city-state (maybe more accurately, "town-state") which had an undefined, fluctuating hinterland. The city/town was always primary. Markalexander100 00:35, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thailand has 75 provinces, not 76 provinces. See the Ministry of Interior's web site - http://www.moi.go.th/province.htm .Bangkok is special administration area - the capital city, not province.

Muang or Prathet?

I've never seen anything other than prathet Thai used in official contexts, surely this should be the local formal name of the country in the infobox? Jpatokal 17:09, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'd like both at least to be mentioned (more info is always good!). We could always note that muang is informal, but it might get a bit cluttered. Markalexander100 01:52, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

'Muang' is informal. Prathet (literally means 'country') is more formal. But the real official name of Thailand is 'Raja-anachakra Thai'(ราชอาณาจักรไทย - Pronounced as Rat-cha-ar-nar-chak-thai), it means 'Kingdom of Thailand'. And this should be mentioned, not 'Muang Thai'.

Sex Trade?

No discussion of the sex trade, and exploitation of women and children? (not to mention young boys) Isn't it analagous to the "beer that made Milwaukee famous"? No mention of the sex tourists? Is this some kind of whitewash? Porphyria 05:00, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

In contrast what the tabloid media try to make everyone believe, Thailand is much more than the sex business - but as "sex sells" you'll see much more stories about it than e.g. about the political situation in Thailand. And most tourists that visit Thailand aren't sex tourists, even though the percentage of sex tourists is probably higher than e.g. for those visiting Japan. But anyway. it is of course one aspect of the country, that's why we have the article Prostitution in Thailand, but IMHO it doesn't need to be mentioned with much higher prominence. andy 11:03, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • There is sex trade everywhere in the world!! If one is included in article about Thailand, that same statement should be included in New-York article as well. dhanakorn

ONLY STUPIDs?

I CAN SEE THAT LOTS OF IDIOTS ARE HERE!!!

PLS DONT CHANGE THAILAND (SIAM) HISTOTY UNLESS YOU KNOW BEST!

SOME ARE VERY STUPID AND DONT EVEN KNOW OUR HISTOTY; PLS WORK HARDER ON BOOKS AND REFERENCES!

ANY ADMINS; BEFORE CHANGING ANY DETAILS; PLS BE CAREFUL OF VANDALISM!

PLS READ PS

The sensitive case is that Thailand was the (informal) British colony, which it actually never was, and we cannot accept that. And the truth is that we also used to own the areas around which was later became the new territoties under the British Empire by an unfiar threats (in many historians' opinions). I think this page should not be changed by anybody anymore unless he/she knows what is behind the true story and understand OUR history well.

PS1: I HATE IDIOTS! PS2: SIAM HAS NOT BEEN COLONIZED BY ANY COUNTRY (FORMAL OR INFORMAL) PS3: PLS DONT CHANGE ANYTHING IF YOU DONT KNOW SIAM HISTORY!

If you stop shouting and stop insulting people, I'll be happy to discuss it with you. Mark1 07:40, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

very upset with fairness fo somebody

I dont understand why the foriegners always changing the contents of our histoty.

Because this is a Wiki and everyone is allowed to edit. And please notice that noone denies the fact that Thailand was never a colony, but you also have to accept that Siam had to make contracts with the British which included quite "unfair" terms for Siam. And as there are historians who call that "inofficial part of empire" it is worth noting in the article. The basic idea of this website is NPOV, thus showing not only one view of the topic. BTW: If only Thais would write about Thai topics here there'd be very few about the country, most was written by farang interested in the country. andy 20:32, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Any East Asian-International historian here?

This is not only one view, please read before- keyword "Thai history". (and please considered your view too, do you have any reference???)

I think that there are many books in amazon.com, you can order, or just go to the library nearby, if you love to read. I found this is already a war and to me it is quite stupid that I have to change it back again and again since I am also have things to do.

Thailand is not so big as China but we also have the right as written to declare that, if you are one who stay in our territory, please study and clarify yourself of our knowledge.

But I beg your pardon, I think you have some knowledge but plese working on that more a bit, or read a history written by other neutral countries, then you will see more. Please do not based your knowledge on the one who take the land and write the history by themselves. This is crap!

I am sick to say if the Ang-Sach writes about WWII of the Soviet army. Tell me who are the best? I am really sick with this kind of stubborn people around. I will let it be after this and hopefully the Thais and other will not rate this WiKi, as the neutral source any longer.

I know at least two people who edited this page who have read Wyatt's "History of Thailand", which is the standard english language history of Thailand. Though Wyatt doesn't use the term "informal empire" (so I cannot give the quote to proof that statement), if YOU read it you'd see what I explained you before. BTW: If you want to tell anyone to shut up - what did YOU contribute on Thai topics here so far? Those you claim to be ignorant stubborn idiots have done that, and they definitely don't do it to insult your country. So you can tell everyone that this is not the place for the nationalistic version of your history - and we are more than happy to accept this rating. andy 11:14, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

;-)

sorry man! I havent used or cited from Wyatt's "History of Thailand".

In fact, I've learnt and read so many for nearly 10 years, using one book is so stupid like using just only yours brain.

This is really wasting my time- talking with air-head-type1-animals.

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