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Trivia

The trivia section seems to be largely taken from the IMDB bio: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000157/bio . Is that a copyright violation? AnonMoos 02:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Fair Use

Why do we need a picture of Sarah Connor on the Linda Hamilton page? That's what the Sarah Connor page is for.—Chowbok ☠ 22:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because we should only use fair-use images when there's no chance we can get a free image of the subject. Rather than being "obscure resoning", this is a core Wikipedia policy. In this case, the article is about Linda Hamilton, and somebody could take a free picture of her, so we shouldn't use a fair-use image. I'm not convinced by your reasoning that it should be the Sarah Connor photo.—Chowbok ☠ 19:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your interpretation is incorrect. There are other means of gaining free photos of an actress without "stalking", and policy interpretation has generally held that indeed, fictional character portraits cannot be shows on actor pages on Wikipedia. Even if "[f]or a woman to play a role like Sarah Connor in T2 was unprecedented", which is questionable, it doesn't follow that we have to have the picture on here. That's what words are for.

Removing photo again per policy. Feel free to bring this to arbitration if you like, but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.—Chowbok ☠ 22:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! That's pretty funny, as I'm very much against current copyright law. If you look through my old blog entries you'll see I wrote extensively deploring the Eldred case, the Sonny Bono copyright act, the DMCA, etc. I'm a big fan of Larry Lessig and had everybody I know sign a petition supporting the Eldred act. My love for Negativland far predates my employment at Playboy. Anyway, this has less to do with copyright law and is more about Wikipedia policy.

I see you've filed for mediation, so as a gesture of good faith I will leave the image up until this is resolved.—Chowbok ☠ 15:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but using that image in the infobox is an absolutely clear-cut violation of WP:NFCC#1 and the Foundation's licensing policy. Please find a free image. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 14:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:WIARM before invoking WP:IGNORE. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 15:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe I'm damaging the encyclopedia by upholding the non-free content policy, but you should report me at WP:ANI if you believe my behavior is destructive or disruptive. I encourage you to do so. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 15:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images that simply show what living people look like are replaceable non-free content and cannot be used. I recommend that Geno contact Ms. Hamilton's management and request that they provide a free image. There is a great guide to doing so at this page. -- But|seriously|folks 16:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring

Geno again inserted the non-free image, and I removed it, and left him a 3rr notification. If he re-inserts the image again it would be a violation, unfortunately... • Lawrence Cohen 23:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you would take the fact that multiple people (including admins) are "ganging up" on you as an indication that inclusion of a copyrighted image here is, in fact, a violation of policy. I'm not assuming bad faith on your part - I understand your desire to improve the article - but hijacking someone's copyrighted photo to use on our encyclopedia doesn't help our mission of promoting free content. I encourage you to find a free photo of this person, that would help everyone. It's not as hard as you might think. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 00:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that you don't have a whole team of people ganging up with you means you are going against consensus. -- But|seriously|folks 01:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, policy trumps content. We are free to improve articles, within the constraints of policy. -- But|seriously|folks 15:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, which content should be included and excluded is determined by consensus. When a large majority of peoples' consensus goes one way, then that is judged to be the best for the encyclopedia. This isn't "imrpove the article to one person's satisfacton", you do have to yield to the majority. You might want to get some wider consensus by starting an RFC and getting a wider swath of users involved, but it's really going to be the body of editors, including but not limited to you, that will have to make the final decision. VxP 00:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Our rules on non-free content are intentionally stricter than what we are legally permitted to do under the copyright law of the United States. Arguments that we're legally permitted to do what you want to do won't work, because our non-free content rules are not based simply on what's legal. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 23:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]