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Concerning this...

Since Kakashi Hatake is able to perform the technique without taking off his mask, it can be assumed that the fire does not originate from inside the mouth. ~~1. I remember somewhere that you breath in some air, then exhale fire...~~ Never mind this one... I misunderstood... sorry. 2. We cannot assume that Kakashi didn't remove his mask... after all we're talking about the guy who finished his ramen in 2 seconds! Ray93 22:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Old'd

Remember this discussion? It eventually dealt with the fact that there are too many jutsu lists and set out to fix the problem? If you haven't, jutsu details have been moved to the entries of the characters who use them, a task that was for the most part completed a few moths ago. The final step dealt with compiling whatever was left into a list that could be linked to, something I've finally gotten around to finishing. The outcome, seen here, I had intended to move to something along the lines of "List of recurring jutsu in Naruto", though I can easily imagine that being AfD'd. To skip that nasty step I thought relocating the information here would be simpler. Thoughts on the idea? Or anything else in particular? I don't imagine the redirecting of the eight articles this list covers would create problems, but I tend to be wrong about the attachment people have to such things. ~Snapper T o 19:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merging it here would be fine. Size isn't an issue and it's better than having seven or so odd lists that attract vandalism and anons by the truckload. Meh, this brings back memories - I never got around to finishing this. Oh well, good job Snapper. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 19:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The merger is all fine and good I guess but can someone provide my a link to all the merged pages for info reasons?--TheUltimate3 22:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, now I am getting mad.

There is a reason for the images and the lists. Now, unless someone is planing on doing a full wika somewhere else with everything listed in it, then you can't Get rid of the other information. Just like the plot page, and the individual character page. You don't get rid of anything unless it's somewhere else already. GOT IT! --Shadow 18:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, we can get rid of anything so long as it contradicts Wikipedia policy or consensus decides in favor of doing so. This page removes the problem of having a half-dozen lists that attract vandalism by the truckload, and are essentially a collection of indiscriminate information. This merges them under a notable topic. In any case, read WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA before making such a statement. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 19:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So much for Wikipedia being a decent source of Naruto information. Go to leafninja or narutofan people, there's nothing to see here. 214.13.209.200 08:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Extremely disappointed to find all the useful information about the series on Wikipedia has been deleted for no good reason. Wikipedia was the best source of information about Naruto, and in the last few months it has unnecessarily made itself one of the worst. Detailed and useful information on characters and jutsu does not constitute a "plot summary", nor a "list of Frequently Asked Questions", nor "statistics", nor does it qualify under trivia. "Collection of indiscriminate information" is at best being bent to justify a very disappointed trimming; it is certainly not a relevant rule normally. 86.131.227.197 10:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But it this way: If we hadn't merged that stuff where we could keep it nicely (I.E. Lists or merged topics or some sort) than the chances are VERY likely that it would have been deleted and that would have screwed everyone over would it.--TheUltimate3 10:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might as well just delete it, Ultimate. It's pretty useless right now. 214.13.209.200 11:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First its THEUltimate or TheUltimate3 or simply TU3. Second, it serves its purpose for going over the jutsu that have been used more than once--TheUltimate3 20:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would like it if wikipedia does bring back the full list of jutsus. This is where I have been, (as well as many others) to learn more about the different techniques & using them in roleplay environments. I have looked several other places on the web, nothing compares to this. Pretty please, bring back these pages... >_< Kboogi 18:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. There's a Naruto Wiki under construction. If this information (the full list of Jutsus) isn't going to be kept on the main Wikipedia site, add it to the Naruto Wiki instead, where we can use it. 69.141.234.101 01:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't there already a Naruto Wiki? And...doesn't it suck? 214.13.209.200 11:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is a Naruto Wiki and yes, it's quite bad. Why not go there and try to do something about it?Jacce 11:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These Wikipedia mods are consistent in making their site look like a garbage source for Naruto informtation. As much as I don't like the opinionated information there, leafninja.com has officially become a better source. This is ridiculous. Intellect Ninja 22:00, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, wikkipedia needs a upgrade or else it would be another useless naruto site. 71.200.36.214 20:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can already see what is going to happen.... some person is going to add like the whole list of jutsu into this one page, then someone is going to delete all the jutsu and then the arguments.................Eru illuv 08:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One there is still the Naruto Wiki, that will be the "non-opinionated" source of info once more people come to help us along. And two, yes thats exactly whats going to happen, we will get an edit war and then nothing gets accomplished. So lets avoid that hm?--TheUltimate3 10:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... another solution.

Instead of dumping all the jutsu here, why instead don't we add them all together, and a few more, into a topic like List of notable jutsu in Naruto or something, where we could talk more about the techniques than somewhere like here? As for the jutsu-in-general information, well, we could put it in the Naruto universe article I've started on. The tailed beast article has little hope at all for staying, Akatsuki (Naruto) is too common a target, Naruto ninja ranks can be shortened down very easily, and Naruto geography is terrible on its own. We could just merge all four together in one article about the entire Naruto universe, not just the geography or one specific detail of it. For the Akatsuki members and the Tailed Beasts, however, all I can think of is putting them in List of Naruto characters, and to try adding other characters there as well. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 20:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look at GA-class articles such as World of Final Fantasy VIII and Ivalice as reference points. Although I agree that those articles definitely need to be merged, as there is almost no chance of them staying up under WP:FICT's purview, I would like to see a finished product first. Then we can clean it up and perform a proper merger. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 01:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

pleaseeee just bring back all the information, this site is getting worse every second from all the deleting, and i always come here for naruto information, and clarification —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.120.13 (talk) 19:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You know, Sephiroth, part of the reason I linked to my in-the-makings article attempt was so I could get others to help work on it, as I alone am not able to do so. For example, I got rid of the absolutely useless countries, but what about ones with lesser details? Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 22:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps someone could provide a link to a wiki that contains all of the Jutsu information? That was a significant amount of information that is no longer accessible, and it seems like a waste to have it all gone (since their pages redirect here). Obrysii 21:42, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ummmm.... I'm still waiting for some help with the final product, you know. ;_; Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why the hell did you remove the lists?

I did brought back all the lists to "it's rightful state of being" because they were completely obliviated! I constantly consult these lists! Having them removed would be a very big mistake. I think hey were really, really useful, and, unless they're moved to NarutoWiki and the pages are properly linked to there, they should remain intact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.29.71.112 (talk) 18:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to move them to a Wiki, go ahead. Just go to the page, click "Histories", and click the ones that isn't a redirect. DO NOT, however, bring them back, it was judged by a discussion (on this talk page) that we should get rid of them. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How? YOue deleted them all, they are lost forever.... Big mistake.--Shadow 21:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those lists are not accessible, and no link is provided to where they might now be found. Obrysii 21:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They are not lost I can go to them anytime I wish. As simple as tying in the particular name of the Jutsu and then click on the little "Redirect from blah-blah-blah" at the top of the page. Boom all of them accessable.--TheUltimate3 21:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Truew the article is boring just why it so stupiud the way uve been shortning all the articles and pictures.I dont know why just why?

So it seems Wiki is pretty much useless now. Too many people are getting delete happy. Gune 21:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First the images, now the lists...what next? wiki WAS useful, now is just a common page talkin bout things many other pages do. (September, 15)

You know, I have a feeling someone should remake the page, someone who is expert at this type of Wiki Coding, you know? I mean, how helpful was it to have a whole page of jutsu, so that if you were having a jutsu fight on an instant messenger, you could find your favorite technique and blow the competition away! I'm not doing it, I can barely Wiki Code as is (not that I'm saying I'm bad at HTML but that's different). Anyone agree with me? (September 14, 2007) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.211.116 (talk) 02:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You know, you could all try looking up the character that uses the jutsu and see if you can find out what you want to know that way. That is, after all, where most of the information was moved to. ~Snapper T o 02:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have to wonder why solid information like what the Naruto articles used to be is under scrutiny while poorly-written garbage like the Underworld (film) pages are untouched, and why the Bleach (manga) articles - even the ones that were consolodated - have so many images. Wikipedia is directing its admin wrath in the completely wrong direction. 214.13.209.200 05:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ahem. "Concensus" has been cited repeatedly as the reason for the deletion of the lists. However, one person suggesting that changes be made, one person agreeing, and no official poll, or discussion on the matter, is NOT A CONCENSUS. You are in clear violation of the proper procedure for this type of article modification (changing frequently referenced and useful information sources into redirects because people MIGHT vandalize it, is not a logical or valid argument. If you removed every article that MIGHT be vandalized, there would be no Wikipedia. Period). Might I suggest, if you are so concerned that the articles might be vandalized, that you request protection against new or unregistered users? And since the information contained in the Jutsu lists is actually used by people as reference material, a lot of work was put into collating and verifying the information, and efforts have consistently been made to be rid of vandalism, throwing away everyone's work, and effectively giving in to those who vandalized, by allowing them to eliminate useful information sources, is not acceptable. Also, you seem to not be entirely familiar with what constitutes an indiscriminate collection of information. Familiarize yourself, please. Daishokaioshin 06:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Snapper2 decided to be bold and merge the lists, which were all suitable for deletion under Wikipedia: Notability (fiction), and instead put them into a more inclusive article that standards a greater chance of satisfying the aforementioned requirement. There never needs to be an "official poll" of any sort (polls are evil), and consensus rides in the absence of significant opposition. There has been no argument for reinstating the former lists aside from WP:ILIKEIT, which is not acceptable. It is irrelevant how "useful" the material is or how much work was put into the material in light of the fact that none of the lists could pass WP:FICT. Merging them to reduce the amount of vandalism is merely icing on the cake for the decision. Familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:No personal attack before resulting to insults against other users also please. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 07:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Umm. At what point was I insulting anyone? Can you point out to me ANYTHING I said that was insulting? I am very familiar with civility, and not launching personal attacks. It would seem you either misread or misinterpreted what I said, somehow. Please re-read my comment, and you will likely find that this was the case. Daishokaioshin 02:59, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bull crap this articles terrible any other website could put that it was really good and intresting the old 1 the reasons to put back are good the otrhers are a waste of time, why uve been shortnening articles is beyond me but the shortned 1s are unintrestfing so stop! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.191.144 (talk) 15:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, not to be rude IP:66.84.191.144, but that took ALOT of energy to read. But from what I got from it was "the article is uninteresting to read", and you're right, it is. However its still here which is better than nothing.--TheUltimate3 15:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I stop reading the discussions on Naruto for two weeks and some book burning fascist deletes every list of Genjutsu, Taijutsu, and Ninjutsu. Could some one sum up for me a Who & Why on the subject so I can correctly direct my anger and frustration, please. Oh and before anybody complains if you take my facist remark personally thats not my problem -- JayStream12 01:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Damnit people read the disscussion before you rant! I will tell it once more, before I rename this topic it my answer: IT WAS MERGED BECAUSE MOST OF IT WAS (IN ESSENCE) CRUFT! IF WE KEPT THE CRUFT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DELETED SO WE (AS IN THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY TAKE THE TIME TO EDIT THE ARTICLES) DID THE ONLY REASONABLE OPTION LEFT TO US AND MERGED THE IMPORTANT ONES AND MOVED THE SPECIFIC CHARACTER ONCES TO SPECIFIC CHARACTERS. Got that? Everyone understand? Alright, we're not going to complain about it anymore. That gets nothing done. If you have a problem, present it reasonably, so we can use these pages as they should be for, discussion. Alright? Understood. Ok then.--TheUltimate3 02:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First off thank you for such a speedy response to my "rant." Second after reading your high and mighty paragraph I eagerly checked your page but did not find and indication that you have the right to order me around (if it was hidden somewhere I apologize). The problem I seem to find is how some 5+ pages of information were merged into various lists, as most characters no longer have their own articles, (but that’s a rant for another day) without their seeming to be any change at all to character's information. Also, how is it that "CRUFT" (whatever the hell that means) has been around for so long without a major problem and suddenly it must be immediately deleted? Finally the fact that you feel you can order me around because you feel you have contributed so much to Naruto on Wikipedia means nothing to me. This is because almost all of the Naruto articles are embroiled in conflict or have been deleted, sorry "merged." (tag your it!) -- JayStream12 02:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right I don't have the right to order you to do anything. However, like I said it would help if some people who wish to rant (Like yourself) would read the discussions before making a long or semi-long rant that I have to waste my God given time to read and reply to and instead give us something to work with. That being said while I don't know the actual it would be wise to check WP:Cruft for the definition of cruft, but from what I have managed to gather, cruft is essentially stuff that is only interesting for fans, and have no relevence to the actual article in question. Hence, the long lists were lost, instead replaced by recurring jutsus, and the less important jutsus were moved to their characters, where they CAN be kept. And your last point just seems like mindless rambling to me as you jump from telling me my "order" means nothing to you, then you jump to the conflicts of Naruto articles. I personally don't see how these two topics are relevent to each other but whatever.--TheUltimate3 02:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My request for a "quick Who &Why" was mostly laziness so I’m sorry. I was not aware someone was going to hold a knife to your throat until you explained the issue to me in a unnecessarily long rant (which I though you hated???. Next, I would like you to give an example of "cruft" that was on those lists if you could, if you like you can consult the copies of the list which are still available on Answers. This way I know exactly what you mean. Of course I have a suspicion of what really happened but I will hold my "tongue" as I may be wrong. -- JayStream12 05:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Cruft" is defined as something you could not hope to care about unless you are an extremely rabid fan of the material. Saying Dynamic Entry is D-ranked is an example of cruft, as who the hell cares what meaningless designation a simple kick is given? Earth Release: Earth Flow Rampart is another example, since there is no reason why you need to know what the single-use process of creating a hill is called. As for why there is no apparent difference to character entires, that's because the jutsu details were moved there months ago and we never got around to getting rid of the lists. You can find what you want to know there; it might not be referred to by name, but the effect should at least be mentioned assuming it isn't a throwaway technique. ~Snapper T o 05:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My request is that instead of having fire release: great fire ball technique, we could put fire techniques talking first about great fire ball, and then about others, we could also create earth techniques, some of the jutsu info have been deleted from character info and I wanred to know if we could put its rank, note: Im mad about the change happened in the jutsu list now I want to improve this list, see you. ~Tintor2 19:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note what the article says: "The following are jutsu that are commonly used throughout the series by more than one character." The majority of fire and earth-based abilities do not have this privilege, and thus their details belong elsewhere. ~Snapper T o 02:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My complaint is that some of the tequniques for minor charters and all havent been put on and i tthink u should make 1 time pages that includes movie jutsu and one time seen 1s by a certain charater its a suggestion but do move the the move the info to movie chraters most (notable).Blanknothingoknaruto 22:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)Blanknothingoknaruto[reply]

There is no need for such an article. Simply add the missing information wherever it would be most appropriate. ~Snapper T o 02:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also it is not just minor movie characters that are missing jutsu information. For instance the paragraph on Shino Aburame makes no mention of his Bug Wall, Bug Gathering or Bug Jar Techniques. Apparently the merge was not as thorough as has been claimed. -- JayStream12 19:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shino's jutsu receive passing mention in his entry and are detailed in this article. ~Snapper T o 21:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

About the great fire ball, we could add that Jiraiya can power-up this jutsu using the oil of Gamabunta. Tintor2 15:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it somewhat obvious that you can make a bigger flame by igniting oil? ~Snapper T o 19:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its also obvious there was no point in removing the jutsu lists. Gune 16:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you know Wikipedia is now dying cause you 'smart' guys think is the right choice to remove and edit things like it is a toy. I actually liked the freaking lists! Who the hell cares that YOU want it to be only a few. Most of the Naruto Wikipedia people were content with the lists. So GJ you ruined yet another page you deserve a *****SLAP

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Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Taijutsu

Why are their main articles gone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yxgtree (talk • contribs) 20:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Read above.--TheUltimate3 20:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WHERE DID THEY ALL GO!!!!!!!?????????Uzumaki Dude 00:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blood Line Traits

Can someone basiclly just give me a description of what blood line traits are, what they do and what types are there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.184.59.200 (talk) 17:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a speacial trait passed down from the family. Like the Sharignan. Only Uchiha member's have it, beacuse it run's through there blood. Unlike Kakashi who has it beacuse of Obito. Tho it put's enormus strain on Kakashi's body, beacuse he is not of the clan. But having the Sharignan and you not being a Uchiha meens you can't handle it as well as those that are from the clan. Rather then those that aren't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.189.156 (talk) 04:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's what this page (kekkei genkai) is for. :) –Gunslinger47 04:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Medical jutsu

Shouldn't this should be one of the recurring jutsu as well? 129.78.64.100 04:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rasengan

Naruto never showed he can now produce the Rasengan with one hand. Please delete or otherwise verify the claim that he can, which by the way also occurs in the Naruto Uzumaki article.

I'd do it, but right now I'm not sure how to articulate how integral Kage Bunshin is for Naruto to perform Rasengan. Basically it's a high level jutsu that Naruto has nonetheless managed to master via a clever workaround or hack: the Kage Bunshin jutsu, which allows him to divide the demanding task into simpler components. One clone for regular Rasengan, two for Futon Rasengan; that is already clear. One would think he would eventually learn to do it with one hand, but actually he doesn't even need to since using Kage Bunshin costs him virtually nothing.

Thanks in advance to the willing editor. --Lionelster 18:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In NARUTO Shippuden, episode 14 when fighting itachi Naruto did demonstrate the ability to do Resengan with one hand. 71.200.36.214 20:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean episode 13, and I'm not surprised this is the only event cited to support the claim, yet very poorly. Naruto was shown holding a Rasengan charging at Itachi, but not the process of producing it. It's not uncommon for his clone to disappear after completing a Rasengan. Besides, if he has done it once he should be doing it every time since, yet that's not the case. --Lionelster 01:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not canon, shippuden filler 201.150.69.235 03:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chapter 258 disagrees with your perception of "not canon". ~Snapper T o 18:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SnapperTo's right in the sense that the anime showed exactly what was in the manga: the whole process of forming the Rasengan was skipped, we see Naruto already charging at Itachi with one. That's not proof he formed it with one hand. Do not jump to conclusions. --Lionelster 05:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've done the revisions myself. They are on articles Rasengan and Naruto Uzumaki#Abilities. Specifics of Rasengan removed from the latter; a link to Rasengan is included in their stead. --Lionelster 06:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But what about the time in the "Valley Of The End" when in his 1 tailed state he did Resengan with one hand, doesn't that count? 71.200.36.214 10:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This has already been discussed quite thoroughly. See Talk:Naruto Uzumaki/Archive 3#WTF?!?!. –Gunslinger47 13:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I only wanted to make you remember that if you pay attention when Naruto uses that rasengan against sasuke he used red chakra hand as a 2nd hand.

Tintor2 21:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone tell me the jutsu Chiyo uses with those 3 white puppet's? And the vacumm destruction thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.189.156 (talk) 04:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was called (Sanbou Kyuukai: Buddha's Three Treasures Vacuum Destruction) 71.200.36.214 10:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You know, I once thought that Wikipedia wasn't much. Untill I wanted to look for somethign about Naruto, I found the list of Naruto jutsu from (A-Z) and I was like "WOw..this is the best source for jutsu better then SaiyanIlsand >> But now I find the list are gone..and it's replaced with a couple jutsu...no one want's to know about a 'Couple' jutsu's >> I know I don't. SO now I don't see why they removed the list..for god sake's bring the list back I'm sure there is a reason you people took it away..a really stupid reason, but still a reason. Though it wasn't good enough! We want the list!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.189.156 (talk) 18:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit to Water Techniques

The article currently states that the only known exception to a person using a water jutsu without a preexisting source of water is for Water Wall. However, in chapter 373, Yahiko uses Suiton: Mizuranppa (Water Release: Chaotic Waves) from his mouth. This is debatable because it was raining at the time that he used it, but I don't think that would count seeing as how it wasn't a large volume of consolodated water and he spit it out, rather than forming it in his hands or the like. 214.13.209.200 13:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stupid question

In the 2nd databook in the shiki fujin article it says the only user is sarutobi hokage, maybe minato is not there because it wasnt seen but in the rasengan page it puts minato as an user maybe what minato taught sarutobi was how to summon the death god, but Jiraiya mentons minato used the shiki fujin(chapter 370 more or less). Can sby explain this? ~Tintor2 10:41, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the second databook, Sarutobi was the only listed user. The databook lists are not meant to be complete. –Gunslinger47 20:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but what does it mean? Arent supposed the databooks to be complete? so can you make sure that Minato used the shiki fujin? . –Tintor2 21:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]