Talk:Seventh generation of video game consoles

Please do not change any of the launch prices in this article, regardless of current price. The launch prices are set in history and there is no way they will ever change. .

Please do not change any of the sales numbers without citing a valid source. VGChartz.com and Nexgenwars.com are not considered valid sources. The most reliable sources are the companies' own quarterly financial statements. See WP:FN for help with creating reference tags. .

Seventh Gen. Sales

On 13 September, 2007 I placed factual evidence once more in to the console sales table please may no one edit these figures unless they may provide factual and real evidence thank you. Animal91X 16:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

• Thank-you who ever put back my correct numbers in the sales table !!! Thanks Animal91X 18:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

• Please may NO one - with out evidence - change the seventh generation sales figures as they are CORRECT. If any one may visit any of the 3 consoles wiki pages and the sales figures are incorrect please correct them. Animal91X 17:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

No you didn't, you basically rely on the fact that everyone is too lazy to look up your sources and read them to see the numbers you put up are completely unsourced made up BS, or taken from crap sites like VGChartz. Then you have the gall to call people who replace your unsourced crap with sourced facts fanboys. And you edit articles with ban threats even though you have no authority to ban anyone. Tehw1k1 21:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

• Wii sales numbers seem to be at odds with the Wii page, I think the date given may be wrong, Reference 30 on the Wii article seems to agree with the number but not the date. Opdw20 23:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

remove the sales numbers

Those numbers are false! They are heavily disputed and gamespot is not a valid source. How can we believe those numbers when NPD doesn't back them based on sales from the same site? NPD has the 360 at 6.3 million flat in the USA and Media crate has the 360 at 400k plus in Japan...That is SOLD not shipped, so are we to believe that the 360 has only sold 2.2 million in every other nation in the world? Sorry if I think something doesn't add up here. Pardon me if something just doesn't seem right, at best the numbers should be left N/A until more reliable numbers are given. To further back this that study didn't include all nations as countries like Canada and Australia are not included.

(Death is a right 10:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC))

"Those numbers are false! They are heavily disputed and gamespot is not a valid source." - They are not heavily disputed, as far as I can tell. Give me a valid source that disputes that claim. GameSpot is considered a valid source, having been cited many times. "How can we believe those numbers when NPD doesn't back them based on sales from the same site? NPD has the 360 at 6.3 million flat in the USA and Media crate has the 360 at 400k plus in Japan...That is SOLD not shipped, so are we to believe that the 360 has only sold 2.2 million in every other nation in the world?" - If you had read the article, you would find that the data is for July 31, 2007. You are comparing the numbers in the article to data given at the end of August 2007. "Sorry if I think something doesn't add up here. Pardon me if something just doesn't seem right, at best the numbers should be left N/A until more reliable numbers are given." - Seems reliable enough to me. "To further back this that study didn't include all nations as countries like Canada and Australia are not included." - Prove that they are not, please. 71.17.35.93 02:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Archive?

It is 40 KB long. Laptopdude 01:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

yes, do it.--Kyle_(talk) 01:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Archived Laptopdude 01:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

wrong price

Also if it hasn't been changed, the 360's price was dropped to 349. Check all stores.

Are you talking about Elite or Premium?--Kondrayus 21:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

(Death is a right)

It hasn't been changed because of the very large sign at the top of this page.(They are the launch prices!)--Kyle_(talk) 04:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

dispute

Even at the end of July the numbers would have been at 6.0 plus, maybe 6.1 because the 360 sold 277k in August and they have been at 400k in Japan for months, thats 6.4 million and based on those numbers only 2.5 million in the rest of the world. If you look at the Wii it says 9 million, the wii sold 400k in us last month, so that 3.6 million at the end of august, it passed 3 million as of July 15th, so at the end of the month it would have been 6.6 million and only 2.4 million elsewhere even with the fact it sold over 700k in europe in december of 2006. Are you saying it sold only 1.64 million there in 7 months? Thats only 234k a month europe wide..Nope it doesn't add up!

http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=3806

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUST5575120070719

Read the article again, it states australia and canada are not included.

http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EElAykAFAyXLoPUoCD.php

Sorry, but only europe, the us and japan are counted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Death is a right (talk • contribs) 04:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

What exactly are you disputing? The fact that the article says the sales are from the entire world or are you disputing outside sources? Could you please clarify?

On a side note, make sure to sign all posts on talk pages by placing four ~~~~ after your comment.--Kyle_(talk) 04:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Worldwide Sales table

I see that someone has rechanged the sales table after I reverted the changes that person has made. I was just curious which one people prefer- the previous one (the one I like) or the one that 87.127.157.166 and KP-TheSpectre changed it to?--Kyle_(talk) 18:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I was just going with the pattern, as it is like my version in the previous 6 generations pages. I also preffer it as it shows the sales in a league format, with the consoles listed in order of the most sales KP-TheSpectre 20:00, 21 September 2007

I prefer the current configuration:

Console Sales

Wii XXX

Xbox XXX

PS3 XXX

I don't know if I am speaking for the majority or not, but that's my opinion on the matter. Useight 19:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that's fine I just wanted to know the reasoning. The difference is so small that it doesn't really matter to me to much(I still like the previous better though).--Kyle_(talk) 19:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Gamespot Should NOT be used

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6179772.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;2

That article says the 360 has a 11.6 million installed base, but they posted another article saying it was 8.9....Which is it gamespot, get your story straight!

(Death is a right 01:33, 25 September 2007 (UTC))

Different sources, shipped vs. sold.... Tehw1k1 20:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

BioShock is NOT an exclusive!

"However, Microsoft hopes to surge sales with the release of upcoming exclusives such as BioShock in August"

BioShock has been released for the PC and is due for Xbox 360 release some time later. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. Check the link. BioShock

Overmage 14:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

the wii is not a next gen console

reggie fils-aime has stated at a nintendo press conference that the wii is not a next gen console. it is therefore a 6th gen console. and should be moved to that article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infernoply (talk • contribs) 13:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Someone always tries to do this. I'd just like to say that there is no more "next gen". The so-called "next gen" is now the current gen. Next gen will be the PS4, Xbox 720, and, uh, Super Wii or something. Anyway, the Wii belongs in the 7th generation because it is the successor to the GameCube, regardless it not being 20 times more powerful or any other factor. Because it is not a remake, a slimmed-down version, or anything else, it is a completely different architecture and therefore not a GameCube, making it the successor to the GameCube. Horsepower, and Nintendo's claim to not be competing against the PS3 and Xbox 360, do not deny that fact. It's after the 6th generation, so it's the 7th generation. Useight 14:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I believe Reggie was actually saying the Wii is a current-gen console, instead of a next-gen one (providing this is the conference-thing or whatever I'm thinking about). You'll need to provide some form of proof of this statement, though. Haipa Doragon (talk) 19:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I heard that it will be called Xbox 180, not 720.--Kondrayus 20:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

PS3 sales number are very wrong!

PS3 Article itself says: "Units sold 4.28 million (as of June 30, 2007)" And we have the same number here but for as of September 20, 2007!!! so it has not sold any 10K units for 2 months and 20 days?!?! [36] reference is a "file not found" link. and [37] is an article written on "Posted Sep 13, 2007 1:42 am GMT"!! So it'd be intresting to know where this 20 September date has come from?! Also, the only thing about PS3 sales written in [37] is: "According to the FT, approximately 9 million Wiis were purchased across the globe as of July 31, just barely overtaking the 360's sales of 8.9 million units during the same period. Both platforms were far ahead of the PlayStation 3, which sold only around an estimated 3.7 million units internationally." !!! So there's no new info. Anyway, I remember Sony announced in TGS 2007 that they have sold between 5-6 million PS3. We can't use it as it's not fixed, but atleast change back the date to 30 June. Nintendo’s Wii takes console lead Found the original article by Financial Times. Quote: "According to sales data from each console’s launch through to the end of July (or the end of August in Japan), consumers have bought 9m Wiis, 8.9m Xbox units and 3.7m PS3s." So should I assume it's saying PS3 has sold 3.7m as of end of August? Pretty much outdated! GLdK 06:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You've been Animal91X'ed! Enjoy your stay. IMO, we should all agree on ONE or TWO sources at the most for worldwide sales, and just stick with those. Too bad there's too many fantards out there. Tehw1k1 20:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Milestone Titles a joke

Most of the Milestone Titles look like a joke and just a milestone title according to the person's POV. Brain Age and Big Brain academy can't be said to bring the "non-game" trend if there aren't many games like that. You can't claim this in the beginning of a gen, only towards the end. GeOW being the showcase of UE3, might as well put any game as the showcase of a new engine? UE3 was anticipated I guess, but so have many other engines. If anything, UE3 is getting nothing but bad press lately. "Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games marks the first time these two former rival mascots will officially appear in the same game." - Pure POV. I don't see this as Milestone, especially as it's not a trend yet. IF you want to put it, it should be towards the end of the Gen after this proved to be the beginning of a multiple-game trend. Pokemon Battle Revolution and WiFi... So what? We already knew the Wii can pull it off, is it a milestone title only because it's the first to do it? Can't we say the same thing about R:FoM and whatever 360 game first pulled online off? Or milestone titles for the Wii itself now count as milestone titles for every console? Halo 3, I guess I can agree with. "Potter and the Deathly Hallows. This may help Microsoft make its first profitable quarter since the release of the Xbox in 2001" - Is this a joke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.124.63 (talk) 00:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this section is too opinion-based. I'm for deleting it, more than anything, but it's best to see what others say first. Haipa Doragon (talk) 18:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

There ARE many games like Brain Age popping up all over Japan, Europe, and the US. Trends still exist even if you're unaware of them. However it is poorly worded. GoW: Because it was first. What does the supposed quality of the engine have to do with anything? It's still the first million selling home console game of the generation, which is pretty significant. Mario and Sonic: Milestones and trends are two different things. Being a Milestone is debatable, the first Mario and Sonic game is fact and not debatable. Pokemon: agreed, if anything, Mario Kart DS is more significant since it was the first overall online Nintendo game. Overall, either delete the entire section or keep a few and call it something less weighty than "Milestone titles". Tehw1k1 20:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Games that aren't "games" popping up is not something new of this generation. Being trendier now doesn't warrant an appearance in milestone titles. GeoW was the first game with the unreal engine, and it does have to do with quality if it gets its own spot in milestone titles (unlike hundreds of other engines, yeah?). But nevermind, it appears to have been deleted. Mario and Sonic would count as a big thing only if they made a trend out of it. No one would care in 20 years if the first Mario & Sonic game was this game if... It's the only one that ever came out. That's why saying it was the "first" or saying anything about it right now isn't important enough. I'd say delete the whole section or just put the Halo one up for now. Xolver 10:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Why compare Halo 3 to a movie and a book? It is of a different genre. I believe the last comment should be deleted. Saying it is the fastest selling came and most profitable and what not is fine, but comparing it with other genres is not.

Also, to add some more, it appears Sonic is now on SSBB.Xolver 09:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Elite Price

Someone changed the Xbox 360 Elite Price. I'll change it back.--Kondrayus 22:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Sales numbers

If you go to the "playstation 3" article in wikipedia, it says the Ps3 has 5 million+ sales, and it cites a source that is not vgchartz.com or nextgenwars.com or a source that did not get its info from either of these sites. Perhaps i should change the number of them sold to 5 million here as well? What do you guys think? change it back if you don't agree, ok? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crymetyme1000 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

overall console sales numbers

this is the site i got my info from, so i am changing the total sales numbers ok?

http://n4g.com/News-75304.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.48.142 (talk) 20:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe that the general consensus is that figures from VG Chartz are not reliable enough for use in Wikipedia articles. Dancter 20:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

oh ok sorry, i didn't check, i just looked at the page. And this is my username. i forgot to log in before.