Talk:Darth Maul

Age

Anyone have a source that states Maul was born 57 BBY? --Jon Hart 19:25, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

No! -- Tim, 27 November 2006

Old Wounds and Resurrection ARE canon, here's why

First off, Star Wars: Visionaries IS canon, save for the few parts that clearly have no real relation to the Star Wars universe at all. Firstly, there is no Infinities label on it. Secondly, the origin stories of Durge and General Grievous, and the story about why the Wookiees decide to fight the Separatists, all seem to match up perfectly with established canon- aspects of those stories even appear on the Star Wars databank. Yes, there are a few minor details that are off such as the issue of Grievous' lightsaber, but surely that's not a big enough plothole to say that the whole book isn't canon?

Nope, "Old Wounds" is in fact the old part of Visionaries that is not canon. Jon Hart 20:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Okay, so why is "Old Wounds" the sole exception? And, more importantly, is there any OFFICIAL source saying that it is, or is it just speculation based on the fact that most fans don't want such a story to be canon? Because if there isn't, then either "Old Wounds" should be considered canon, or all of "Visionaries" should be discounted- it isn't up to fans to pick and choose which parts of a book are and aren't set in continuity.

"Old Wounds" is the sole exception because LFL says it is. Jon Hart 19:22, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Now, as to the issue of Resurrection, it is true that prior to Issue #21 Star Wars Tales wasn't canon. However, a loophole was made for stories that have been referenced in outside sources. The best example of this is the Tales story Extinction, in which the Dark Woman is killed by Darth Vader, since that story is now considered official canon after being referenced in other stories. The same applies for Resurrection, as well as a few other Star Wars Tales stories that have been made canon.

Not entirely correct. All issues of Tales preceding #21 are Infinities (thought not all after #20 are canon), but sometimes certain elements of them, when referenced in canon sources, become a part of continuity, such as the stories "Extinction," "Skippy the Jedi Droid," "Outbid But Never Outgunned," "Yaddle's Tale: The One Below," and, yes, "Resurrection." However, none of these stories are entirely canon; only the events, characters, situations, etc. mentioned in canon sources are. For example, it is canon that Yaddle spent centuries imprisoned underground, as per "The One Below," but a number of the Jedi Masters who appear during the story's framing events should not have been there, as they were not alive at the time. Jon Hart 20:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Alright, so what elements of "Resurrection" are canon? If Darth Maul being resurrected and fighting Darth Vader is in fact the very thing that's been mentioned in other sources, as I've heard, then it should be included in the Wikipedia entry for Darth Maul, regardless of whether or not other parts of "Resurrection" don't fit into continuity.

Don't know for sure. I think the existence of the mages who resurrected Maul (I think they were retconned into Prophets of the Dark Side) and the planet on which it takes place are canon, at least, and I believe that Vader may have fought a Maul clone there, but I'm not terribly familiar with either the original story or the canon source (I believe it was Abel Peña's "Dark Forces" series of articles) in which it was referenced. Jon Hart 19:22, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

How did they get the body back even once, let alone six more times?

Clearly none of you have read Star Wars canon: The Star Wars canon was defined in an interview with LucasFilm production staff in issue #23 of the Star Wars Insider:

   "Gospel, or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelizations. These works spin out of George Lucas' original stories, the rest are written by other writers. However, between us, we've read everything, and much of it is taken into account in the overall continuity. The entire catalog of published works comprises a vast history — with many off-shoots, variations and tangents — like any other well-developed mythology."

Speaking of the infamous "Maul v. Vader" duel, why isn't this included? The article is lacking an explanation or a description of this publication altogether. --AWF

Lame-ness, or, lack thereof

Darth Maul is considered by some to be one of the lamest movie villains of all time. I mean, he has like one whole line in the entire movie? Who cares? --Anonymous

Well, babe, having lots of lines does not necessarily make a great villain. Jaws had no lines, n'est-ce pas? If you don't like Darth Maul, nothing's making you read this article. Go read something else. --Jordan

Actually, Maul has three lines in the film:

• "Tatooine is sparcely populated. If the trace was correct, I will find them quickly, Master."
• "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi; at last we will have revenge."
• "Yes, my master."

His real problem was, he couldn't let Qui-Gons be Qui-Gons. --Aaron G. String

Did you know Keanu Reeves never spoke more than four sentences in a row in The Matrix? 70.48.174.211 20:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Dart Maul was doomed by the simple fact that he was placed in a prequel. Obi-Wan couldn't die, and Qui-Gon had to die, so he couldn't train Anakin, for example. Lucas needed a good saber fighting scene, and Darth Maul was made to fit the bill. One can't really judge whether or not he would have been a good villain, because he really wasn't given any sort of opportunities to be a good or bad villain in the movie. --Objulen

When does he say that first line?Gorgo7h3

Also, there's a trailer which is just one long line from Darth Maul that was kinda cool(http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/release/trailer/1truth.html) I wish that they had kept it in the fillm. Captain Red Hook 19:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Survival

Actually, Darth Maul was resurected a total of seven times, known as the Seven Rebirths. At one point, he even reconstructed his double bladed light saber and eliminated several Jedi. Each time he was revived, he lost a little bit of his power, resulting in his final defeat by Vader. Few have ever been as well trained as he, but after his seventh fall, he was so weakened that reviving him again would have been pointless.

Can anyone verify this? --maru 21:51, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No. --Jon Hart 20:31, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

To whoever made the survival part of the entry should know that Maul's survival is not fully true. Because the visionaries stories are not true they are just side stories because later in visionaries they have a story about General Grievous that is incorrect (Grievous recieves a lightsaber from Count Dooku in visionaries book but in the visual dictionary it says he got his first lightsaber from a Jedi he killed). --Anonymous

No, Visionaries is 100% canon with the exception of "Old Wounds." You'll note that nowhere in "The Eyes of Revolution" does it state that Sifo-Dyas's lightsaber was the first Grievous had ever owned. --Jon Hart 20:29, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

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the only thing that is 100% cannon is the movies and novel adaptations of the movies...your talking expanded universe stuff209.244.31.40

"Tales", "Visionaries" series are NON-CANONICAL

This should be reinforced on all Star Wars articles.

Mentioning the non-canonical in the article with proper comment

i think we should nevertheless mention in the article what happen in non-canonical products, with proper comments to address the readers. i read both Tales and Visionaries, and i think they both worth mentioning

Sith Lord or Dark Lord of the Sith

In StarWars.com Databank - Darth Maul - The Movies, NO words said Maul is a Dark Lord of the Sith, Sith Lord is different from Dark Lord, because the Movie itself and Databank receive the highest canonical level, so I think we should consider Maul a Sith Lord only, even Sidious gave Maul the title of Dark Lord in Expanded Universe, it receives a lower canonical level and thus should not be considered here. Darth Kevinmhk 14:59, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

From Episode I: DARTH SIDIOUS "...Viceroy, this is my apprentice. Lord Maul. He will find your lost ship."

The expanded universe is considered canon, as long as it's not contradicted by the films. And in this case, Sidious clearly called Maul a Lord. Darth Vader is also a "Dark Lord of the Sith", even though Sidious only refers to him as 'Lord Vader'. "Dark Lord" is just a title. And it applies to both "darths". DarthEren 02:11, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Expanded Universe is NOT canon. That's why it's specified as the Expanded Universe. Lucas himself stated that only the movies are canon.

He says Darth Maul, not Lord Maul. He can't be a Sith Lord while still being an apprentice anyway. EreinionFile:RAHSymbol.JPG July 4, 2005 05:59 (UTC)

Anyone with a "Darth" in their name is Dark Lord of the Sith, aka Sith Lord. It's the same thing. Maul and Sideous were *both* Sith Lords, with Sideous being the Master and Maul the apprentice.-- Jared

The sith were a race of creqtures that the dark jedi conqured and ruled over> All dark jedi were revered as "lords" by these creatures.70.105.68.30 23:16, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Both Sidious and Maul were DLOS, it has been that way since Darth Bane took power. Argument finised, over. Kapish!?! -- jasca Ducato (Star Wars wiki)

I think they may be the same thing, but I'd refer to Maul as a sith lord. Consider that Palpatine/Sideous referred to Count Dooku/Tyranus as a sith lord in ROTS: to Obi Wan: "He's a sith lord!" Dooku is likely considered to be at least as powerful as Maul. And then remember that Obi Wan confidently replies: "Chancellor Palpatine, sith lords are our speciality." Obi Wan is very likely referring to his victory over Maul. In the book, this conversation specifically refers to the "Zabrak." Lindsay

the sith were a race who originated on Korriban. Dark Jedi (Jedi who used the dark side and were exiled) arrived on their planet and were worshipped as gods. ie: Dark Lords of the Sith. Over time, the two races merged. However, the Sith Lords were fighting and almost made themslves extinct. So Darth Bane devised the present system of there only being two sith at a time - a master and an apprentice. When the apprentice's power was greater than that of the master, the apprentice killed the master and took an apprentice of his or her own. Kordos

Sith Lord and Dark Lord of the Sith are two totally different things, Sith Lord is similer to Jedi Night and Dark Lord of the Sith is the leader of (and most powerful living) Sith.Superstarwarsfan 16:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Khameir Sarin?

Where does the name Khameir Sarin come from? Is it from Expanded Universe, or is it fanfiction? --Heddfones 00:40, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Update...I found out that "Khameir Sarin" is a name made up by SuperShadow. I deleted it immediately. --Heddfones 00:49, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

It's back. --RYard 14:44, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

And it should go away and stay away forever. It is from SS and should not be put on here, for it is completely false.--Pokerjedi36 23:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

And now it's back again. I'll delete it, hopefully for good this time. JaggedFel568 19:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

What the hell?

Darth Maul, Sith Apprentice.|bgcolor=#B22222|fgcolor=#000| This is not even a pic in the Phantom menace anyway. Besides, I reckon Darth Maul is ugly. -Unknown

Darth Maul is NOT ugly, he is clearly a piece of art (as well as being a piece of work) -Unknown

I know!!! How could you say darth maul is ugly???? HE IS THE COOLEST LOOKING CHARACTER IN ALL OF STARWARS!!!! -Unknown

I never found him particularly attractive... Tyciol 17:14, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

What on Earth did you say? He may not be attractive, but, that is what he is designed to be. He is meant to look scary, not designed to look gay. Yes, he is a piece of art. Whoever says he is ugly is not a TRUE Star Wars fan. Weirdy 02:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

So just because you don't spend every waking moment researching every little detail about Star Wars doesn't make you a fan? (I may have used a double negative, i'm not sure) I think Darth Maul is cool looking, but the eyes and the tattoos are kinda ugly. And yes, I know they're "ceremonial Zabrak tattoos" or whatever.

Darth Maul is not supposed to look good. He's a Sith! Does Sidious look good? Nope. How about Vader? Nuh-uh. Sith are supposed to look scary and Darth Maul really does a good job of pulling that off.Superstarwarsfan 16:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

To be SCARY does not mean UGLY. I think it's OK to use the word "SCARY" to describe Darth Maul. Pmuean 09:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Cheap death

I have a question, how the heck did Obi Wan defeat darth maul? I think the fact that Darth maul was killed by Obi Wan is stupid. It states that Darth Maul was the "Ultimate weapon of the sith," if he is, how was he defeated by a PADAWAN!!! He should have just cut of his head or at least hit Obi Wan with his lightsaber instead of force pushing him down. Do you people agree with me that Darth Maul should have won that fight?

I agree that his death was a little over the top good guys always win in the end death. Nothing we can do about it unfortunately. I guess George Lucas didnt think he would fit into the story for the upcoming episode 2 and 3. Tutmosis 18:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it was generally supposed to be a fluke, or that Darth Maul wasn't paying attention because he had underestimated Obi-Wan. Tyciol 17:13, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Personally I believe that Obi-Wan used the dark side to win. 70.106.189.85 17:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

70.106.189.85 is right. His master, Qui-Gon Jinn died. You then hear Obi-Wan scream NOOOOOOOO! The force field opens, and, now, Lord Maul has to defeat Kenobi. Obi-Wan's scream is an scream of anger, revenge and mourn. Obi-Wan then fights Maul with the Dark Side. Maul was too overconfident, a common thing that happens with the species of Darth Maul. Besides, I think personally that the cartoon of Mini Maul was sort of cute. A shame it was deleted. Weirdy 02:57, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I think Obi-Wan Was letting his anger flow, Giving him more power, and Darth Maul underestimated Obi-Wan. Also Obi-Wan was falling behind for most of the duel between Qui-Gon and Maul, so He was not tired like Maul Was. Put this toghether and BAM! one dead Sith Lord.Superstarwarsfan 16:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Maul had to die so as Maul fans we have to accept that. I thought it made sense for the story to have Obi Wan do it. Obi Wan eventually loses to Dooku twice. Lucas needed people to see Obi Wan display greatness. I thought Lucas did it right too. Maul controls the fight against two Jedi, and kills Qui Gon in a sweet move. Maul ultimately bested Obi Wan as well, BUT Maul screws around and pays for it. I think Maul had waited so long to kill a Jedi that he just wanted to watch Obi Wan suffer. But clever Obi made him pay. The duel makes it clear that Maul is stronger, but Obi Wan is smarter. Lindsay.

Why cant george lucas have like maul just walk away....i mean the killing of darth maul is soooo unnecessary and stupid! he could have obi wan fall deeper and make it so that darth maul thinks obi wan is dead and he leaves....simply walks away....but noo george lucas has to kill maul....maul is the 2nd coolest character in starwars first being vader —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.231.215.202 (talk) 01:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

If he lived...

Do you think if Darth maul lived, he would become more powerfull than Vader at his best? i know if he lived Anakin probobly wouldnt live, but just comparing, who would be stronger? -Unknown

Darth Vader. He has more talent and midichloreans. Darth Maul is just savage and has a brutal combat style. Most Jedi can't combat it, but Darth Vader is beyond that, he's a master. Tyciol 17:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Here i am agian to give u guyz the truth. If Maul had lived he would of become one of the greatest sith lords of all time that is clear. in my own theory and opinion His main goal was to do somthing special for his master...convert a cetian jedi to the darkside... Im mean look at it, thats all the emperor was good 4 right^^ In my own exp of waching the fight scene from that movie, Maul had total control of the duel And easialy defeated jin. Now! I think that the emperor had being sort of studing the actions of obi-wan(if u read any of the books) And saw his dark side capabilities. It wasnt like on the emperor's top list to turn obi-wan but it was somthing to put into effect. I mean And infact so if u look close u can see that obi-wan (sort of like luke when in ep6 when vadr said mabey all turn u sister to the dark side and it made luke attack out of hatred and so on..) sort of fell to the darkside after he saw what happend to his master. Even though he had that new found stength i mean he still had not even went threw the trials so his new power couldnt of made him that much stronger where he was abel to go against maul, just look at the fight before the death of jin, obi-wan could barley keep up. If he was alone i dont think he would of lasted 5 minutes. And as u can see even with him giving into the dark side for a sort time he still was no match form maul. Maul could have struck him down at anytime...why didnt he... he was trying to recuit him tho the dark side. So instaead of killing him he forced pushed him down the shaft. Now we got obi-wan stuk in the shaft hagging on for his life right? Tell me why maul didn't go for a saber throw of multi force pushes or if he had learned force lightling which i learn that he may have begun to develop). Well i'll tell u why he had no intentions of killing him if he didn't have to.(now i cant tell u why he dint begun to try to lure him to the darkside immeditly, only lucas knows that but i belive that he would of begun to try if obi-wan dint come up with the his lil idea. Lucas know this to be true yes i cracked your little code. Look back at ep5 when vader had luke in a simular position he tryed to lure him to the darkside. I think that lucas didnt want to direcly give it away but instead only gave us clues of what could of been going on.(then agasin i could just be dead wrong but it is somthing to think about. So if he had turned obi-wan i think that like all other sith maul might have killed his master and became one of the most powerful lords of the sith. Another reason to back this theroy up his they tryed to lure obi-wan to the darkside again on ep2.[Added by user sirbizzy]

I'm sorry, but...

I'm a big fan of the original trilogy, and I think that this midichlorian business is really dummy. If God, I mean, George Lucas, decided that Shmi Skywalker would walk back from the dead and kill Darth Maul with a .38 headshot, that would automatically become canon, and no one would be able to say a single word.

George Lucas is God - Unkown

What does that have to do with anything? Remember the discussion pages aren't message boards. Jedi6-(need help?) 07:03, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand this. Weirdy 03:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC).

Why didn't Darth Maul ever use Force Lightning in the battle? It would have been awesome!

Because he pretty much just knew how to lightsaber battle in the movie, the only Force he does is with that box he throws.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was not to merge because the other article was deleted. -Royalguard11(Talk)(Desk) 01:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

The whole midichlorean business is lame. It makes the Force this elitist thing. One of the cool things that one gets from the original trilogy is that if anyone's devoted enough, they can master the Force. But then it's like, no you can't because you don't have these little organisms in you. that's just stupid. Captain Red Hook 17:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested Merge

Darth maul's lightsaber into Darth Maul … Rationale: The article about the lightsaber is too small to have it's own article, and it can easily be put into a section in this article. -Royalguard11^{TalkMy Desk} 21:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

• Support as the one who finished the nomination. -Royalguard11^{TalkMy Desk} 21:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose There's nothing worth merging. I've submitted an AfD instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EVula (talk • contribs)
• Support It makes sence for this to be merged.Superstarwarsfan 16:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

Add any additional comments

Moot point now, the AfD is completed and the article was deleted. EVula 17:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

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Link Between Darth Maul and Toad

Spotted on the DVD of X-Men

After Toad threw Storm down the shaft he spun the pole like it was a lightsaber. Possible link or just a random piece of info? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LadySatine (talk • contribs) 09:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

I don't think so, I could be wrong tho -- unknown

Echos of the Force

I find it questionable to state that there is a scene with Darth Maul in Star Wars: Clone Wars as i have seen the entire series and there is nothing like this in the whole series ~~Sethhater123

Sith Infilrator

The Sith Infiltrator was built by Sienar Fleet Systems, not Darth Maul. Alexander 15:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Movie & Article contravercy ?

The Article mention this : Maul also kills many Jedi, including Barco Trellius, Roro Fergus, Ji-Dis Flar, Darsha Assant and Annon Bondara. .....OK .... I remeber Darth Maul told Darth Sidious : At last we will reveal our selves to the Jedi , at last we will have revenge. How is it possible that Maul killed all those Jedi and he never reveal him self to the Jedi before fighting Qui-Gon Jin ? --Max Mayr 19:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Darth Maul External Links

Why do you say that link doesn't add anything of value? Did you look at the page it linked to? It brings in fan videos, youtube videos, fan art, flickr images, fan fiction, external links, and will have exclusive video from lucas. I think you should reconsider. Link was to http://starwars.yahoo.com/characters/darth-maul which is a joint effort with LucasArts. You removed the link 3 minutes after I put it up. That seems pretty quick for evaluating it's worth to the page.

Mhanagan 8 November 2007 (UTC)