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Welcome!

Hello, Scottalter, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} after the question on your talk page. Again, welcome!  -- Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 13:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Beikoku Shido-kan

Beikoku Shido-kan should be in the shido-kan article. Tkjazzer 07:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okinawan style category

Yes, I think a history of the style migration is important. I also think there should be a difference in categories. However, I think any style that has a derivative from an Okinawan style should be linked in that article. I think we should trace a family tree almost to the person who brought the style over from Okinawa. Sorry for spelling errors. However, I do not have the history know-how or wikipedia skills to do so. I am only learning. I do not know this forum which you mentioned on my page. Could you please copy-edit this and/or copy this over to it? Tkjazzer 23:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Martial_Arts#CMA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Martial_Arts#CMA

brought some discussion here since it seemed more active. Please help me find passionate people to work on these family - tree / style comparison issues by searching histories of articles with me. Tkjazzer 23:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

found some more bio information if you are interested

Hey Scott!

I found some more bio information for Sensei Iha if you are interested. I placed it in the talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Seikichi_Iha. I'll try to help write after my exam. Tkjazzer 23:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about in Los Angeles?

I read Sensei Iha lived in Los Angeles for a little bit. I live here now and am looking for his style. I am going to check out a place in long beach but I will only be able to make that drive once or twice a month. What do you recommend that I do? Tkjazzer 23:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recat articles

I placed a comment at your category merge proposal for Category:Karate to Category:Okinawan karate, and thought I'd let you know here too. To get a bot to do a task like recatting a bunch of articles, you can ask on WP:BOTREQ, and not have to go through the whole categorization renaming procedure. Regards. Neier 23:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any other of Shorin-ryu Shido-kan practicers on wikipedia that you know of?

Feel free to reply on your talk page. Tkjazzer 19:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No - just Miyahira and Iha. All of the Shorin-ryu practitioners were added by me. I don't think any others are notable enough for their own article. Something interesting that I just found is that Iha's first teacher and his major influence, Gusukuma, seems to have been a co-developer of the Shito-ryu stle. I always assumed that since Gusukuma was a student of Itosu's, that he practiced Shorin-ryu. Also, it seems that one of Gusukuma's other students (Iju) was Nagazato's (Shorin-ryu Shidokan) first teacher. --Scott Alter 00:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting! However, I was wondering if there are any other wikipedia users who practice Iha's style. Tkjazzer 01:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Makiwara

I linked this article to the Main article but it is quite plain. I linked an external link to the Makiwara article in case anyone has time to edit it later. I know you are going to be busy until the summer though. I just wanted to tell someone. Tkjazzer 06:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I may create a Hojo undo article - I could convert the makiwara article into a Hojo undo article. This would then make a nice, not short article about conditioning. I will mention this on Talk:Shido-kan and Talk:Makiwara. You should add your comments to the respective article talk pages. --Scott Alter 06:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

soke?

I got this post on my wall a day or so ago. I don't know if it should be incorporated or not.

" -Ok i could try but i don't no anything about Seikichi_Iha or Shorin-ryu_Shido-kan. For you minor corection, in Okinawan Karate, title for 10th Dan is Grandmaster Sōke.." Tkjazzer 06:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In Shorin-ryu Shido-kan, we do not use the title Soke. In fact, we just refer to Iha as Sensei (not even Hanshi). Using titles comes from modern and American karate systems influences on martial arts. It was not used traditionally, which is Shido-kan is trying to stay. --Scott Alter 14:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Karate schools

Should we incorporate this into the category scheme somehow? Tkjazzer 01:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How would you incorporate it? Add it to the category pages? Or do you mean expanding the template to be sorted like the categories? I think this could be nice - separating karate styles by origin here. I just changed Template:Karate schools to use Template:Navigation. If you want to break it into Okinawan and Japanese, you could use Template:Navbox generic. Also, maybe this should be renamed to "Karate systems" (or at least the title displayed in articles - as per the conventions section of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Martial_Arts). --Scott Alter 01:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On a related note, I think would be good to completely remove Template:Major Styles of Karate. All of these are also listed in Template:Karate schools, except for Kempo. It also looks out of place as a right bar on the top of the article. --Scott Alter 01:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_martial_arts#Okinawa

Is this list complete? Tkjazzer 18:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not. Just compare the Okinawan styles in Template:Karate_schools to the list. And I'm not even sure how in depth to go with this list. Shorin-ryu is listed, but should Kobayashi-ryu, and its offspring (Shido-kan and Shorinkan) be listed too? --Scott Alter 03:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I figure that you can't have too many listed if the list is really that long. I don't think anyone will object. Not super high on the priority list to get them added. I just think it's good to have links to okinawan styles to sorta make people aware of the style. Tkjazzer 06:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Naihanchi should we link this in the kata of similar name? Tkjazzer 04:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Naihanchi is the same thing - it refers to all of the Naihanchin kata. There are articles for basically every kata. The only problem is that they are mostly written to the Shotokan versions. I recently modified the Gojushiho article to be slightly more representative of all karate, but all of them should be made more neutral. (And I don't like how all of these articles have a link to Shotokan in the "See also" section and are in the Shotokan category.) Anyway, the kata in Shorin-ryu Shido-kan should be linked to the articles and the kata articles should be made less-biased. But you might have to restructure the kata list, since the articles are about the kata series and not individual kata (ie the Naihanchi article refers to Naihanchin Ichidan, Nidan, and Sandan). Maybe keep the list as-is, but only link the first mention of each kata? I'll make these links and you can change them if you can come up with something better. --Scott Alter 05:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See [1] for a description of the Shido-kan kata. Teisho was created by Miyahira is unique to Shido-kan (as far as I know). There is no article on it yet. --Scott Alter 05:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BJJ practioners

If you read the category pages, there is a differentiation between Jiu-Jitsu (bjj) and Jujutsu (Japanese) it's base on the different romanisations & is quit handy in this instance. (Also 'Brazilian Jiu-Jitsuka' is verging on nonsense and 'Jujutsuka' is used rather than jujutsu practitioners ) a brief description @ the top is the best you can do then it up to people to clean up mistakes. --Nate 14:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't phrase that well re-reading it. They are two different arts, so you two different categories, 'Brazilian Jujutsuka' (for Brazilians who practice Japanese jujustu) and 'Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Practitioners' for anybody who does BJJ. The key thing is that BJJ is now so different from JJJ that it's not classifiable as a style of JJJ but an art in its own right.
'Category:Brazilian Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioners', is going to have to be a category if you want to split by country, the only way it can think to change it is to hyphenate to give '[country] Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu practitioners'. The use of 'ka' to denote a practitioner is Japanese so using it for a south American art would be inappropriate. (re-posted on category talk)--Nate 08:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Major Styles Template

I think its a nice addition, it lists the well known styles, and makes all the main karate style pages linked together nicely. I think that either all the pages listed in the template should have it, or none, just to make things regular. RogueNinjatalk 03:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Either way is fine with me, I just wanted them to be consistent. Why not ask the wikiproject? RogueNinjatalk 18:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

makiwara and apartment living

Scott, do you have an makiwara while living in an apartment? or have you heard of anyone being able to do this? I can't cement in to the floor and I can't screw in to the wood. Any ideas? Tkjazzer 22:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you recommend for cushioning under the base? Tkjazzer 22:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What height board to you recommend? Tkjazzer 23:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How much do you sink down when you do your stance? Is the makiwara shoulder height in your stance or when standing erect in anatomical position?

54" falls at my xyphoid process when standing upright and is almost to mid sternum in my stance. Haven't gotten the wood yet - should I make it a little taller? Tkjazzer 22:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

what is the final word martial arts templates

I stumbled across Shito ryu and I knew that those templates in the article seemed out of date, but I wanted to know where to find directions on how to properly add the correct templates - or to notify someone else about it. Are there many people at the martial arts project working on the template clean-up or is it just you? Tkjazzer 01:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add the martial arts template. Do I remove the major styles of karate template? Tkjazzer 01:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Side kick pictures

Hi,

I have the Canadian Shido-kan DVDs (both 10th anniversary Belt Requirements) but I'm not sure if I like the way they do side-kicks. Have you seen any good tutorials or demonstrations (pictures or video) of good side kicks. I've found a lot of really large side-kicks to the head on youtube but nothing that looks like our style. Tkjazzer 01:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

is this a legitimate style to add to the karate template

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuri-ryu? --03:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Flag creation request

Hey Scottalter,

Here's the color-swapped Ryukyuan flag: Image:Ryukyu Islands flag 1875-1879 cswb.svg You can also get it with out the border here: Image:Ryukyu Islands flag 1875-1879 cs.svg

I'm assuming you found Image:Flag of Allied Occupied Japan.svg and Image:Flag of US Occupied Ryukyu Islands.svg.

Tell me if I can do anything else. Jecowa 01:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested history merges WKRI and WXRK :: query

WKRI's history says:-

  • 21:00, 25 May 2007 Scottalter (12,352 bytes) (needs history merge with WXTM, due to incorrect move from WXTM to WXRK on Jan 1, 2006)
  • 06:24, 1 January 2006 ErikNY (moved WXRK to WFNY-FM: New callsign now official)
    • That is the file creation, likely by copy-and-paste or cut-and-paste

But WXRK's first (creation) edit was:-

  • 05:28, 25 May 2007 Bull-Doser (18 bytes) (moved WXRK to WKRI: I heard this on R&R about K-Rock Cleveland changing its calls.)
    • and WXRK has no deleted version history before that. (The older part of Wikipedia's deleted versions archive is cleared out sometimes.)
  • At 17:34 on 25 May 2007 Pb30 called for db-histmerge WXRK from WFNY-FM
  • WFNY-FM now redirects to WXRK, but before 20:07, 25 May 2007 it was a separate article with a long history.

Please what needs to be done to what? Anthony Appleyard 06:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's confusing. There needs to be two db-histmerges from 2 incorrect moves. One due to the incorrect move of WXTM to WXRK on 1/1/06 and the other due to an incorrect move of WFNY-FM back to WXRK on 5/25/07.

As background, we're dealing with 2 radio stations - one in NY and one in OH (both at 92.3). Here is the time line for each:

Place pre 1/1/06 1/1/06 - 5/25/07 5/25/07 - pres
NY WXRK WFNY-FM WXRK
OH WXTM WXRK WKRI

Initial creation of WKRI (on 1/1/06) has the wrong description and was performed incorrectly. I just caught it yesterday, when the articles were again moved incorrectly. The current WKRI article was created by copying and pasting WXTM to a new article (currently named WKRI, but then named WXRK). So the initial description on the current WKRI should have said (moved WXTM to WXRK: New callsign now official). So the first action needed is:

  • db-histmerge WXTM and WKRI

The second problem happened on 5/25/07. After WXRK was correctly moved to WKRI, WFNY-FM should have been moved to WXRK. However, the second move was done incorrectly and was given a wrong description. WFNY-FM was copied and pasted to a new WXRK, rather than moving the article. And the initial description on WXRK should have read (moved WFNY-FM to WXRK: I heard this on R&R about K-Rock Cleveland changing its calls). So the second action needed is:

  • db-histmerge WFNY-FM and WXRK

I hope this clears it up, but in summary, 2 history merges needed to be completed, as described at WP:SPLICE. There should have been no new articles started at all and the article histories should follow the table above. --Scott Alter 16:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To demonstrate this better, one of the last edits of WXTM is identical to one of the first edits of WKRI. Also, one of the last edits of WFNY-FM is almost identical to one of the first edits of WXRK (the differences being some references to WFNY-FM were changed to WXRK). --Scott Alter 17:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After each undelete I reverted past any last edits which were left as redir-to-self or similar: this tends to happen with histmerges.

There are 4 talk pages involved: I have left them alone: Talk:WXRK Talk:WFNY-FM Talk:WXTM Talk:WKRI: what should I do with them?

Anthony Appleyard 19:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible for you to apply the changes made to the deleted WXRK back to the current article (as in any changes made to the WXRK page that existed from yesterday to today? I happened to have a cached version in my history, so I reapplied all of the changes in one edit. I'll get back to you on the Talk history. I haven't sorted that out yet. --Scott Alter 20:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I think you forgot to complete this. The log history for WXRK is missing the restore line. The WKRI log has 'deleted "WKRI"' and then 'restored "WKRI" (270 revisions restored)', but the WXRK log only has 'deleted "WXRK"'. --Scott Alter 21:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Sorry. WXRK now has all its versions undeleted. Anthony Appleyard 21:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The talk pages are even more mixed up. They had the same problem with renaming, but to a larger extent. Some pages were blanked and started over as the talk page for a different article. Here's what I think should be done:
  • completely delete Talk:WKRI
  • db-histmerge Talk:WXRK and Talk:WXTM
  • rename this merged page to Talk:WKRI
  • rename Talk:WFNY-FM to Talk:WXRK

Then, reverting a page-blank in the current Talk:WXRK (will be Talk:WKRI) should get everything back to where it should be. --Scott Alter 20:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Appleyard - thank you for straightening all this out. I think everything is as it should be! --Scott Alter 21:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recent actions on KFRC, KMVQ, KIFR

I wish you had allowed time to discuss how to handle KFRC and related articles before taking action and having an administrator perform difficult to reverse history merges. I don't know how easily these merges and possible deletions can be undone, but really there should have been a wider discussion about this before such action was taken. I'm really at a loss as what to do now, as I think the articles are in a bigger mess than before (e.g. the entire KFRC AM history is now in KMVQ-FM, which is neither where I nor you think it should be.) And there is really no way to fix this properly without separating out the historical KFRC information which has now been merged into the KMVQ-FM article. See the talk page at what is now Talk:KMVQ-FM for more of my opinion on this. DHowell 21:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Royce Gracie

Sorry about the edit, it makes sense now Thesaddestday 03:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your idea is fine... the part that threw me off was "Brazilian Brazilian" haha, I just overlooked it and rushed through Thesaddestday 06:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

citizendium

Hey Scott,

I noticed you edited the flexner report. I was just wondering if you have checked out citizendium's version of the article. http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Flexner_Report

CZ doesn't have a license set-up for CZ home-grown articles so GFDL rules do not apply unless the article stemmed from WP.

I just wondered what you thought about Citizendium (CZ) in general? Tkjazzer 23:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Martial arts infoboxes

I like the use of {{infobox martial art school}} for individual schools, as well as organizations - I think that {{infobox martial art}} is only appropriate for "types" of martial arts such as those found in the {{martial arts}} template. But perhaps we can discuss some modifications to either, and reach some compromise? Bradford44 14:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Allopathic medicine

I really appreciate the work you've done with allopathic/osteopathic stuff. I didn't agree with the move, as I think the term "allopathic medicine" in used 10x more frequently than "allopathy" which is hardly ever used. I recently made some major changes to the Allopathic medicine in the hopes of clarifying some points about how the term in used. I hope they stick. I think somewhere we need a table detailing the very specific differences in the two paths of becoming a licensed physician. Perhaps on the Allopathic medicine page? OsteopathicFreak 01:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've been making an effort to add to the Category:Osteopathic medicine, so that at least it can be known what articles are already present. They are all in need of a lot of work, and many more need to be added. Just wanted to give you some idea about the breadth of this topic. Always appreciate your input on these topics. Touro OsteopathicFreak T 01:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Categories for deletion

Thanks for listing a problematic category with WP:CfD. I have, however, closed the debate and moved it to the more appropriate user categories for discussion section. See Wikipedia:User categories for discussion#Category:Members of WikiProject disease. Thanks.-Andrew c [talk] 05:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disambigation-class problems

Hi Scott, it looks like there's a problem with the project template when "dab" (or its variations) is assigned as a class. It properly places the article in Category:Disambig-Class martial arts articles, but the orange box on the bottom left of the template, that contains the word "Disambig", is coming up as a red link that is trying to take readers to Category:Dab-Class martial arts articles. Could you look into this? Thanks, Bradford44 17:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

View comments

Helllo! I hope you are feeling great. I would like to have your opinion with regards to my comments here. Your opinion would be valuable here. --Siva1979Talk to me 05:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isshin-ryu

Is this Iha Sensei's kobudo bojistu (sp?) style? I think it is. Is the lineage that he has on the wall at the dojo for this style listed anywhere online? I'm trying to remember the name of the Okinawan who taught this to Oshiro (sp?) as well. I hear Oshiro's teaches the same style in Redwood, CA (is that the right city??). Is Oshiro on wikipedia? Does the Iha Sensei page discuss his kobudo teachings adequately or is there room for improvement. What are you thoughts? Tkjazzer 15:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamanni_ryu I think which I will add to the comparison of kobudo styles. Tkjazzer 15:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yamanni_ryu

I added the template infobox for this ryu, which is the kobudo that Iha teaches. If you have time, please take a look. I'm driving across country and just wanted to get it started. Tkjazzer 16:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation in debate AM /OM

You are very welcome to act as observer and advisor. Please let me know your opinions in my talk page not directly to the parties at least not in the mediation page. Your offer is well appreciated. Daoken 11:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I was glad to see you are keeping an eye on this discussion from a distance. You have been there from my initial involvement, which began with List of medical schools in the United States. Personally, I'm happy with the overall direction that the articles Antelan and myself have been editing. I feel there's still a lot of work to do, and I value input from others, though it seems there is very little interest in articles related to the Osteopathic profession, at least amongst Wikipedia editors. As always, I would greatly appreciate any comments you have to make at any time. Particular general comments regarding my positions and editing work in general. I've read and re-read the message on Antelan's user page several times. I think one issue between us, he is very interested in medicine as science. I am very interested in medicine as a human activity and a humanistic philosophy, and the politics of medicine. Very different POV's, but both valid in my opinion. I wonder what you think about this, specially this idea that I've been promoting the agenda of some "fringe minority." Thanks for reading. User:Hopping T 01:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please merge the passai / bassai articles.

If you're willing to do this it would be great. Creation a kata infobox would probably get copied to every other Kata on Wikipedia and would be awesome also. User5802 05:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those fields sound great although I think you shouldn't include the level (beginner, intermediate, advanced). There will be WAY to much debate as to what level forms are at. User5802 17:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Medical Specialties

Thank you for the suggestion, I will find the time to write such an article and would welcome any assistance you may have. I will also look into an online list. The AAPS website I found has such a list, but as a hover table, not a separate page that I could find.

Since I am new to Wikipedia, is there a protocol or cultural norm for getting "permission" to modify someone's article, I did not intend to violate your format or writing style. Renaissancedoc 21:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DRV CA Med Schools

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MD not a true doctorate

Even the US dept of Education states that the DDS, MD, OD, DPT, etc are not equal the PhD degree and are not true doctorate degrees.[2] The MD for example is a "first professional degree" and also an "undergraduate medical qualification".[3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwri7474 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think a more appropriate title would be “first professional degree” or “professional doctorate”.

The world “doctorate” on his own however infers that it is the highest level of education possible in that field (medicine), and this is not true since an MD (US) is considered (undergraduate medical education) and residency, specialization, or a Masters in a particular field is considered (graduate medical education). An MD (in the US) merely denotes one has completed basic or an entry level medical qualification.

This is a semantic quibble. Postgraduate actually means exactly that -- after earning your doctorate. It is more closely analgous to "post-doc" or "fellow."

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