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Mr. Alf!

Haven't seen you for a while, hope all is well! I'm looking forward to editing again but am not sure what yet ;-) Let me know if you need any help somewhere! Kind regards, JoanneB 08:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Dag Joanne! :) I can't thinks of anything that needs particular work, although a recent article I did and caught some typos on yesterday was Siege of Oxford.--Alf ^melmac 09:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Goedenavond! ;) I'll just wait and see what I come across then :-) Interesting read, that article! --JoanneB 17:34, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I particularly like the bit in the 'second siege' when my next door neighbour gets a cannonball land against their hall wall :D --Alf ^melmac 17:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Ohhh that's splendid to hear Joanne, even though I'm a fortnight or so late in saying so. Now Mr. Alf, did you ever listen to that Mountain song? I wonder, I really do. :D KOS | talk 00:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm too tired to think of anything witty pops. See ya for breakfast?--Alf ^melmac 00:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Mayhap, I imagine I'll be a little more active around here, for the time being. I washed your blanky for you, now you can sleep my son, now you can sleep! KOS | talk 00:37, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back!

You were missed during your absence. Glad to see your name popping up in the RC box again. Have an ever so nice day! 156.34.212.88 15:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

And it was a lovely break - a whole month off (think that won't happen again too soon though)!!--Alf ^melmac 15:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

While I have your attention... both the Jimmy Page and Davey Graham articles are having their ref'd negatives deleted by fanboy editors who hate the idea that their idols may have done something naughty in their heyday. Could you look in to see that the balance is maintained. One POV deleting another POV is OK... but a POV can't delete referenced content which... in both cases... is whats happening. Discospinster has assisted some on the Graham article but the fanboy there is still at at. 156.34.212.88 17:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you kind Sir! The JP fanboy went and got himself placed on a forced Wiki-break. The "Davey-boy" floats from number to number...ROTTEN ANONS!!!! :D so he can't be pegged down and given the anchor. It's nice to have another set of eyes keeping watch on it. He'll be back after the prot expires. G'night! 156.34.212.88 23:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:

You are welcome :) ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 12:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Eye movement

What a coincidence: a friend emailed me that very link a few minutes ago, and I came in to add it to the links at the bottom of the article. Thank you! Tony 15:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

You're most welcome.--Alf ^melmac 16:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It's official

Today must be "Anti-Wiggles Day"??? I thought we agreed a while ago that maybe vandalising The Wiggles wasn't going to be a punishable offence? It's also "Anti-16th Century Explorers Day". Fun eh? 156.34.142.110 17:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalising Wiggles is not usually, I'm just a bit intolerant of misinformation-merchants today, they were farily warned however. And what has poor ol' Henry ever done to anybody - except keel haul a few of those who prolly righteously deserved it :) --Alf ^melmac 17:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I find myself being a guardian of Les french.which totally infuriates my inner Scotsman Canadians hold Jacks Cartier and Sammy "the Champ" Champlain in high regard for their "discovery" of us :D. We also hail John Cabot, Martin Frobisher and Erik the Red too. and ol' Hank When there is an attack on the frenchmen pages I usually step up to defend their honour since their countrymen are waving white flags and running in the other direction..... did I say that???...:D It's not Canada... it's Ka-Na-Ta !!! :-D . 156.34.142.110 17:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I do like a good chuckle in the morning. I take it the inner Scotsman doesn't hold much with the Auld Alliance then, though being English through and through I can't fault your characterisation :D--Alf ^melmac 08:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The Wiggles is one of my pet projects; the vandalism that occurs there is unbelievable. I tried to get it protected, but the administrator declined my request because "vandalism is low-frequency and being reverted very quickly." I guess there are too many of us looking out for those pesky vandals. I'm glad for that, since it's certain that kids read it. Maybe Capt. Feathersword will do something, or at least the version of The Friendly Pirate that DeNiro plays in Stardust. --Figureskatingfan 21:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the article seems wierdly attractive for some reason, it appears to a favourite early pit-stop for of a couple of very persistent vandals who float around various ips to boot.--Alf ^melmac 08:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Dude, it kinda creeps me out. It reminds me of the pervert who attended Wiggles concerts to photograph little girls. It's cool that there are people who are looking out for it. We must protect our children! ;) --Figureskatingfan 02:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm I wish you hadn't told me that shivers and makes a weirded out face I hope the tea will take the taste away goes off to make a cup of tea --Alf ^melmac 09:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

My daily question

I was reading the Little Walter article. (a random pick) I was immediately shocked by the utter oozing of POV cruft in the second paragraph of the article.it's REALLY shitty!... pardon my adjectiviciousness I clicked on edit to attempt a sheening but discover... buried in the "edit this page" someone has added some <!--Hidden --> text with some mild rants and demandments concerning the articles content... which I will assume is a naighty no-no. I backed out of edit(CLUCK) and reviewed the articles edit history. It seemed to be edited fairly frequently by some repeating IP ranges. No real edit wars. But someone does have some invested 'editor interest' in it. Just wondering what your take on it may be. I could be bold and just blank out the offending goo but don't want to intrude on a debate that may be ongoing and nasty or ongoing and somewhat civil(and just using the wrong techniques) wadaya think? 156.34.219.222 02:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It's a pain in the ass but my first move would be to go through and remove the comments to the talk page, attributing the editor, as per this diff it looks to be two sections(?) which there may or may not be some merit in keeping the stuff, but it's all talk page material. On the upside, it does have the unrefernced tag which to anyone sensible says 'be prepared for all of this to ne totally rubbish...'--Alf ^melmac 09:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind... was passing through your talk page to say hello. I did some clean up on the article. I brought over the hidden comments to the article's discussion page and removed POV to the best of my knowledge. I hope it's satisfactory, Alf and Libs! Scarian^Talk 11:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

No complaints from me...I actually forgot I had asked the question :D Thanks! And Alf thanks for your comment as well. 156.34.142.110 12:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, the irony!

Someone commented that I bear a passing resemblance to a character from The Shield. Not having ever watched this one, I decided to have a look for the character to find out his real name. Wikipedia is one of the few sites I can access from work nowadays, but imagine the irony of this. I still didn't know what he looked like! A ridiculous situation, but I had to laugh. Hope you are well, Alf. – B.hotep ^u/_t• 18:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

What a suprise, no picture of any sort :s --Alf ^melmac 09:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

What star sign are you?

Can you tell me what your star sign is? Because I'm a Libra. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rory666 (talk • contribs) 21:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

According to western astrologers I was born in Pisces (Libra rising), according to eastern astrology I'm a (wood) dragon.--Alf ^melmac 09:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay... You're a water?? --Rory666 21:32, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

The return of "the falsifier" vandal

98.195.31.40 (talk · contribs) is at it again. Very busy tonight. 156.34.234.163 01:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you saying that User:98.195.31.40 is a vandal?--Rory666 08:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd say at the old miniformation game again judging by this edit.--Alf ^melmac 08:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

User is blocked already the log shows the following; 01:58, 15 September 2007 Spike Wilbury blocked "98.195.31.40" (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 3 months (inserting misinformation).--Alf ^melmac 08:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Was that a vandal????? Was that a serious question? Oh.... and Alf.... Aaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh with meat to go please :D 156.34.234.163 18:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

If User:98.195.31.40 is a vandal, does he deserve to be blocked for 3 months?--Rory666 21:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

The recent 3 month block is consistent with the increasing length of blocks the ip has had, so I'd say it was fine.--Alf ^melmac 21:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I just saw the ip's user talk page and he has about 15-20 blocks. Yikes!--Rory666 20:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Guess what... I need your help

An editor has been trying(for quite a while) to add an improperly licensed/sourced image to the Richie Sambora article. This was the original attempt. [[Image:Richie main plz.jpg]]. Now all of a sudden... the image gets added again... only this time its called [[Image:Richie Sambora O2.jpg]] . And this time it's been dropped onto Commons by a user named "JoannaRudd" who, as you can guess, has never contributed anything to Commons before. The first one claims the source is "richierocksmyworld" whatever that is? And the second one claims self-made. The dubious origins of this leads me to thinks that something shady may be afoot. Perhaps you could draw the attention of one of your Commons comrades to look further into this and see that nothing smells with Sambora(other than his music... did I say that? :D ) 156.34.221.39 23:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

PS I brought the admin who did the 98.X block last night up to date on just who that was(or maybe who it was?) and requested that he chip in... should that particular editor re-emerge under a different IP.... and you or CambridgeBayWeather(I pick on yous twos since you're the only ones familiar with him) aren't around.(AiV can ge useless so I never bother reporting him over there). Ran into an "anti-anon" admin this eve... sigh ... why can't they all be as good as you good Sir? Have a nice day. 156.34.221.39 01:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Karl198

Hi there, Many thanks for blocking this user, and for the revert on my talk page. Regards, --Stephen Burnett 16:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I would say "my pleasure", but I rather they'd taken heed and just stopped :) --Alf ^melmac 17:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

So here's a question...

Can a consensus be established/proved/supported... based on the edit history of the article itself? Say, for instance... a minority of people try and add a small token of cruftness to an article... But the edit history of the article clearly shows that a whopping abundance of the articles regular editors do not want the tiny token of cruftness added to the article. Can that overwhelming number of rv's in the articles edit history be used to create/promote a consensus view for the way that article is to be maintained? 156.34.217.216 17:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess you're asking about flags and a particular admin who used an edit summary of 'take it to talk to seek consensus'. In this instance I'd count up in the last n months n people put it in n people took it out, note this on the talk page alongside a verbose outline (like all the peeps are English, no other confusion on locations so no real need to emphasise locality) and leave it at that. Having said that I abandoned an article yesterday on which I am sick and tired of trying to get editors to see sense on, last version I saw was still vandalised, but I've cut my attachment to it, resigning myself to allowing the crap to creep in, I'll stay saner that way.--Alf ^melmac 06:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

An overwhelimg number of anti-crufty-icony-thingy edits could be compiled pretty easily I think. Next time it rears its little rectangular head I shall take off my shoes n socks and commence to counting up the totals. I've walked away from many articles for the sake of my own gulliver. In the battle of sanity vs Wiki... sanity always wins. 156.34.218.58 10:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

When you're not too busy... The "My idol has never done drugs" IP has returned to the Kimmy Page article again. His last edit was to remove all the references added to the "naughty" section and replace it with a version from back in June. Tsk, Tsk and for shame. 156.34.142.110 19:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank ye!... you're fast! 156.34.142.110 19:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

If memory serves, those cites checked out, so any further "problems" regarding them should be taken to talk. Thanks.--Alf ^melmac 19:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

A different kind of question

An infrequent IP stuffed a db-copyvio} tag on the Hard rock page. I tried to look at the page the article was supposedly copied from but it does not load fully for me. The test loads and, after a brief read I couldn't find any dupe text so I rm'd the tag as trolling. A second read showed that there was one little paragraph(the one about "confusion" is hard rock heavy metal, is heavy metal hard rock yang yang yang...) and noticed there was a similarity. That external webpage seems to be someone's sort of homemade music essay. It is an absolutely ATROSHISH writing and if it were a Wiki article it would ben hacked and tagged to death. It is my thinking that any dupe of text is probably a reverse copy-vio with the external page author(an 8 year old girl??? :D ) likely lifting the Wiki content to his/her own page. Like I said I can't get the whole page to load so I can't see anymore that the text itself(which should have been written in crayon :D ). When you get the chance could you peruse and see what you think. Thanks. 156.34.208.227 10:49, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Reverse-copy (no-vio though) is highly likely, or the one paragraph opener of that section was based on that site, but it's not word for word and it's distinct facts that are similar, so I wouldn't be bothered by it. One can copyright the writing, one can't copyright the facts.--Alf ^melmac 09:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Serafin

Hello, it's incredible that you've kept an eye on Nicolaus Copernicus for so many months now. A big thanks for that. If you encounter further sockpuppetry by Serafin, you can report it at User:Luna Santin/Sockwatch/Serafin. Sciurinæ 20:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, the page I was referring to as having given up hope on is, in fact, that very page: the sentences are continually mashed without a thought for their meaning, just to allow nationalists to swing him from German to Polish all the time. No-one appears to be supporting the few neutrally minded people who have made genuine attempts at middle ground on the talk so I've added it to my fuck-it-I-don't-give-a-fuck list.--Alf ^melmac 14:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

"where the bloody hell are ya?"

as above, dont mind the quote. --Ali K 08:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm in my trousers, see you soon then.--Alf ^melmac 08:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL rofl, Ive got some new crayons for you! --Ali K 08:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Alf wonders if the yellows will still taste as good

Ali think they will, and that is good because she is allerigic to yellow food colouring

Hey, long time no speak

I haven't requested any assistance from you in quite a while. Just so's ya thought I was not drifting around I thought I would hit you up for an opinion/solution/intervention. A Led Zep fansite-type webmaster hes been quite active lately trying to add his webpage to LZ related articles. He appears as a different IP everyday so they're hard to catch. rotten anons!!! :D It's hardly worth DMOZ'ing every single LZ page. This fansite'r is fairly busy and expands his linking well beyond EN-Wiki. I've seen it in many different languages. Hard to watch them all. I thought it might be worth handing it off to Mr Shadowbot to auto-turf it whenever it shows up? This is the fansite link [1]. Your thoughts?... is it worth blacklisting? Can it be "cross-country" BL'd? 156.34.142.110 16:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm the "ghost" you're looking for: I'm in Wiki Italy as Luketheduke so I'm not hard to "catch". My different IP are not my choice is the provider itself. If you've anything to say, please let me know. About the site I'm trying to let the people know about, it's easy to explain. I'm a Led Zep collector since many years and to my knowledge I never found a LZ discography useful for a collector. I found hundreds of site and list of illegal items (= bootlegs) but never a good one for official releases. So, after almost three years of hard working I collected enough knowledge to start one. I've been in contact with the biggest and well known LZ collectors worldwide so they give me a strong support. Now that the site is in a good starting point I decided to start promoting = let the people know about it because there'll be more to do about additions, corrections and more. My work is about worldwide discographies of albums, singles, cd and cds of LZ plus each member activity. Before "promoting" I signed to wiki italy and I did what I've to: understand. I read the wiki rules first more than once, in different languages too, and I've seen that there are different interpretations of what is an acceptable link and what is not. I'm pretty sure that most of the "generalist" sites included are not acceptable because they are not updated, they do sell items (even illegal) and are 100% commercial, they are not a plus for such a "pedia" like wiki. You can find those sites using any search engine ... Anywaym, the last word about my LZ discography is only one: it's unique! there's nothing on the web and also on books!!! so, is it important or interesting to a LZ newbie or a completist? Ok, if you've that knowledge and you understand what's interesting or not to a LZ fan, ok you're the master: c'mon kill me. It doesn't matter, you know the rules better than what it's written and you know what is ok or not but don't say that it's what the readers want or they are looking for. Sorry about this wasting of time, I thought this was the right place to share my knowledge and my passion. Thanks Luke
p.s. I'm still waiting for an answer ... and I still consider unbelievable that my site is "commercial" and on the other hand, acceptable a link (well, several links) from Discogs !!!

'92 Tour EP

Hi there. I notice that you started the article for Motorhead's '92 Tour EP. One thing that I couldn't get from the article was whether the tracks on the EP were live versions or whether they are the same recordings that can be found on the studio albums. Do you know either way? Technohead1980 21:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, I see if I can find out.--Alf ^melmac 22:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Were you not able to find out about that EP? Technohead1980 23:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

No I just got overtaken by other things and forgot all about it. I'll email Alan Burridge.--Alf ^melmac 05:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, cool. Keep me posted. Technohead1980 12:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope, I won't, I found it. Will make the appropriate edit.--Alf ^melmac 22:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Bastards

Yes, there is a need for move. The term as plural for bastard is far more used than the discussion of this album. TheBlazikenMaster 12:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Nonsense, there would be much more confusion finding anything your way round. It was not marked for a move, nor did you fix any of the any broken links you created (just go check "what links here").--Alf ^melmac 15:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

You're right, I will make a REAL discussion on this in the future, like the sound of that? TheBlazikenMaster 16:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Or fix what you break (there are over 100 pages that were afected).--Alf ^melmac 16:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Attention dear Alf!

I (and numerous other users) have been spammed by an anon offering a "proposal". We have been asked to contact him on a mobile phone. Of course it's a scam! User:81.105.14.60 - Your call on what to do. A quick look through his contributions will show that he has made the same offer of proposal to lots of other different users. In my own little "proposal" he said he lived in Bedfordshire too. Thank Wiki for I.P. trackers :-D He lives in Camberley miles away from Bedfordshire. It smells awfully fishy, Alf. Anyway, up to you! Take care and thanks! Scarian^Talk 08:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Told to stop or be blocked. Thanks.--Alf ^melmac 13:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers Alf. Appreciate it. Scarian^Talk 14:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I am the user you are referring to, and as per comments left on my talk page, it is not spam - and I don't live in Camberly. As per http://whois.domaintools.com/81.105.14.60 you can see it reports United Kingdom Camberley Ntl Infrastructure - Luton. Note LUTON, the main AP around these parts. This was obviously an oversight you on your part, so I naturally forgive you. Below that it shows my reverse DNS as being cpc2-bedn1-0-0-cust571.lutn.cable.ntl.com. bedn refers to Bedford. My project is not spam, I require an experienced wikipedia, something I am not, to help me with a project. Cheers 81.105.14.60 23:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I said you are spamming talk pages which you are. Wikipedia is it's own project in and of itself, not a recruiting ground. If you're unable to clearly state easily what you want, I'll continue to view it at spam.--Alf ^melmac 06:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

KOS coughs and urges Alfie to take a peek while at work! Canada and weapons of mass destruction We all need a good laugh at work Alfie do we not? KOS | talk 01:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Not one to eavesdrop or anything... but I would like to remind all of an often overlooked fact. CDN military strength is only 1/10th the size of our U.S. neighbour's... and why is this ratio maintained?... because... in the unlikely event of a war between us... being outnumbered 10 to 1 means they will get a fair fight :D. Have a nice day! 156.34.230.78 02:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha ha ha, gotta love them mounties. KOS | talk 02:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Aw damn that would've been made so much more funnier if he actually was a bipolar mountie. Dang. Haha, funny though. Scarian^Talk 07:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

An editor struggling with WP:ENGVAR

Spotted an editor with WP:ENGVAR troubles. Since I am CDN which means I speak a variation of both en-GB and en-US I cannot place a valid arguement in either direction other than Wikipedia concensus for groups of GB origin.. "ARE" groups and not "IS" groups. Could you mediate over this if you 'ave a sec'. It could span across hundreds of articles if the "IS" crowd suddenly rebels against the "ARE" crowd. Wiki doesn't have enough battles... it needs more :D. 156.34.142.110 19:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Personnel are on the case.--Alf ^melmac 07:53, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I are grateful that you is on the case :D . 156.34.218.130 10:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

"The anon's suggestion is a hypercorrection, and should be avoided." is a hypercorrection :D . I will take 20 vandals over 1 anti-anon editor any day on Wikipedia. I made my bed, I will sleep in it I guess. I are taking a break. I am heading out to Australia and New Zealand for a couple of weeks. Aussie's is good at languages y'know. Kiwis is good at 'em too. :D 156.34.142.110 20:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

remember that time..

When you showed steve and I that really long song, and we couldn't hear the song, only you? It went like this.. "Hey Ali, you'll love this bit!!" .. *Alf singing* "Did you like that??" *steve and ali* "Alf, we can only hear you, not music..." *Alf sings again* "This bit is great too!!" XD --Ali K 09:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I remember it well :) --Alf ^melmac 18:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

What's the letter of the day? --Ali K 12:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

THREE!! :) --Alf ^melmac 17:08, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Uh Alfie, three is a number. God your messed up! ;) Q KOS | talk 23:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you watching this?

This little edit war here between Natalie and "172" has been going on for a few days. This English/British thing doesn't just happen here it spans across lots of articles. It's a very touchy subject with many editors. Whose right and wrong in this. I've never quite followed the "he was born/raised in England... but his parents weren't" so he's not "English" he's British" It almost looks like some sort of ethnic cleansing the way some editors go at each other on other articles. Explain this to me... if you have the time that is. I would really like to know. For us... if a family moves to Canada from.. say... Botswana... and the become Canuck citizenry... and then they have children... those children are officially Canucks. This whole British/English?-Great Britain/United Kingdom?... what rules apply? "Libs" 156.34.142.110 14:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The Manual of Style (biographies) point three states about including nationality - "In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable. Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." So using this, technically England should be used (being the country) as Britain refers to the island :s --Alf ^melmac 16:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

PS This feller, Niaz bd (talk · contribs), keeps rudely rubbin' his Twinkle Toes all over my talk page. Any chance he can have that tool removed from his use until he learns how to use it? :D. Have a nice day. 156.34.142.110 15:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest leaving them a note asking if this was just a mistake, as Scarian was obviously archiving the page talk, and if so, to be more careful in future.--Alf ^melmac 16:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Back onto my original topic I see Sir Nicky de Mimsy involved(and taking a definite side with his revert) There are a slew of AOL editors(editor?) who have pushed this Ethnic title war on for a very long time. I am guessing there is a Wiki article that would explain it all to me. Maybe I should take the time to sit down and read this encyclopedia every now and then eh? :D . 156.34.142.110 15:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

This subject came in April (eeeeeeeeeep tricky, stay away, stay away) I think I came down on the side of British, at least in my own opinion, was largely more preferable. "British band" is nicely alliterative to boot.--Alf ^melmac 16:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

My memory is completely F**k'd up!. I vaguely remember that conversation... barely. I notice that Natalie quotes s specific act that says British is accurate and not English. Sorry for bringing up auld nightmares. Me thinks it's time to walk away from Wiki (since I can't remember what I am doing anyways :D ) I shall head out to the cottage... sit by the lake with an extremely huge cauldron of Antinori and review. It'll be my other IP range... catch me if you can :D. 156.34.142.110 16:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Oi, Sir Alf my son, who really really really needs a fur cut

I have great news son, your father, (that'd be me!) has beaten the antivandalbot (that'd be ClueBot) that's on RC patrol in the vandalism channel on IRC! [2] Oh it made my day! I've also passed the 2000+ blocks and 15000+ edit milestones. Just thought I'd catch you up, since you moved out of the hole in the ground I used to let you sleep in. You know, you left your blanky in it, along with some very moldy biscuits, and all the grey crayons you wouldn't eat. KOS | talk 16:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

O^O Ooo cool! :D could you forward the blanky and the mouldy biscuits, they're probably ripe enough now, you can keep the grey crayons, I still think they taste like tarmac.--Alf ^melmac 16:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The blanky is on it's way, but a skunk ate the biscuits, but no worry, papa will get you some new ones!

Enjoy

New images on Motorhead articles

The new pics on the MO_head articles are very good! A nice addition... way overdue. If you look at our contributors website you will notice he has all kinds of interesting images in his gallery. He has a fascination with "valley hair" :D . I want to make it known that... in my personal opinion( and yes, I know, personal opinions have NO PLACE in Wikipedia)... the picture of Lemmy with the smoke hanging out of his mouth is one of the best pictures, of ANYBODY, here on Wiki. I will now return my opinion switch to the appropriate OFF position and return to my 'post-thanksgiving' work overload. Have a nice day! 156.34.142.110 13:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Florida Atlantic University

I noticed you were one of the primary contributors to the Oriel College, Oxford article. I'm having Florida Atlantic University undergo a peer review before taking it to WP:FAC. Since you are familiar with the process I was wondering if you would mind taking a look at the article? If so, please go here to offer any advice/suggestions.

Thanks, KnightLago 01:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I dont understand

I receieved this message. "Well I suppose it saves hunting around for a spoon when you need to stir you tea... Please don't vandalise though." and i don't' know what i "vandalised" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.125.236 (talk) 06:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

An old edit - this one :) maybe you're on a shared computer, or your IP has changed?.--Alf ^melmac 22:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I might be new to this editing business, but was it their use of "his" in an inappropriate context which was at fault? "His cock his huge" is totally unacceptable and a blocking offence, beggar the context of the message! ;) – B.hotep ^u/_t• 22:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Hindeed, habsolutely hintolerable hediting :) --Alf ^melmac 22:08, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

You and User:KOS

Are YOU related to KOS??--Rory666 08:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I dunno are we Alfie? :P KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 22:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I dunno are we pops, erm I mean KOS? coughs and attempts to look innocent Not directly genetically related, I think winks at pops KOS  :) --Alf ^melmac 22:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Alf is my older than me, furry alien son. I adopted him, along with Shanel though she has abandoned us. :( Oh and Alfie you could never pull of the innocent look, so stop trying! Q-3-Joint-Kramit KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 23:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC) KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 23:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

And here we go again ;) --Ali K 01:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

LIES. All lies I say.--§hanel 20:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

In surprise, Alf drops his cup of milk and spits out the green crayon he had been eating Oops Mom, I appear to spat milk on your sneakers :D Hug?--Alf ^melmac 20:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

zOMGWTFBBQ!!!!11!!111! I do not believe it! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 21:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

By the sounds of it you are. I'll check back later...--Rory666 05:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Grrr! It's a joke! --Rory666 10:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:D --Alf ^melmac 10:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

They are blood brothers... when I say "blood brothers", I mean "blood sugar brothers". When I say "blood sugar brothers", I mean "blood sugar from the fond indulgence of sweet confectionary products, including but not limited to cookies and doughnuts brothers". When I say... you get the gist. :) – B.hotep ^u/_t• 21:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

B.hotep, what are you talking about? Hmmm... --Rory666 20:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Random nonsense - oh lulz :D --Alf ^melmac 20:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

O.K.--Rory666 20:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

This is getting suspicious...--Rory666 09:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Buddhistness

Are you a Buddhist?--Rory666 20:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I try to practice Zen (so yes, I guess I am). My recommended belief systems are Agnosticism, Discordianism, Zen and the Tao, joining the the one true religion, or becoming a loyal subject of the Emperor (see User:Wiki alf/Recommended). Agnoticism is pretty much a given (and doesn't in essence conflict with Buddhism), Zen and the Tao I do take seriously, Discordianism because I highly respect (the late) Robert Anton Wilson, and along with the other two (which are fun to boot), because they help make sure one doesn't get too stuck in any one world perspective (reality tunnel).--Alf ^melmac 20:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

PS If the question is more "why have you a buddhist flag on your user page?" that is because of the appalling situation in Burma, I don't feel like having the picture of the day (which is what normally occupies the space) whilst this continues.--Alf ^melmac 20:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The flag question was not my question.--Rory666 08:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

My crush on Natalie Gauchi

I'm in love with a woman named Natalie Gauchi, an Aussie Idol finalist. She's beautiful...blushes--Rory666 08:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Where are you???--Rory666 09:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

In love, or in lust with said hottie? :) --Alf ^melmac 09:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

In love....--Rory666 19:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

What did you think of that rant? :D

People shouldn't ask me questions before I've had enough coffee to think straight :D. Actually, since this user has started stalking me all over the use of a comma... and this user has taken out a personal vendetta against me and is trying to push this "anti-anon" admin into range blocking me... which the admin has said he would do... it is a sad thought that one of my last edits... ever... on Wikipedia... could be that foolish "speedy black" nonsense.:D . I guess my near 20000 anon edits have meant absolutely nothing in my attempt to create "the noble range". Nothing may come of "the vendetta"... but... in the event that Mr. Kameejl wins out in his "anti-libs war" and Mr. Scribe decides to block my range... I will leave Wikipedia for good. So... just in case... let me take this time to express my gratitude for all of your fine efforts, assistance, rescues and trust in helping an anonymous editor whose only goal has always been ... "to maintain the good" around here. I still think there should be a "Libs" Barnstar on Wikipedia. Awarded to anyone who works hard at "turning up the "Good", turning down the "Suck" on Wikipedia :D . My most humble thank you goes out to you good Sir for all that you've done for me here. I will chat with you later... maybe :D ... depending on Mr Scribe... until then Cheers and take care Alf. And, as always, ... Have a nice day! 156.34.213.29 09:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I was totally unaware that such events had occurred, looking at the Hypocrisy article's history aren't both sides just as culpable for stepping over the three-revert line - as WJScribe states himself there, and wasn't going to block because of that and now considers the pair of you to be on a final warning? I thought the issue of breaks/commas in the formatting was currently being looked at (please remind me where that talk is going on, if you remember). There are no further posts to the section on the 3RR noticeboard, so take it easy on (or just deliberately ignore) the pages listed there, whilst a conclusion is reached on at least one of the issues involved (is it illegal in most countries to burn flags? :D), and I hope to see your edits continue to keep the encyclopedia in good shape.--Alf ^melmac 09:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was strange that Mr Scribe condidered both parties to be on their last warning when in fact no warnings of any kind have ever been issued to the IP? As for the commas, no concensus has ever been reached. Kameejl is the most vocal opponent against commas even though he has also stated on numerous talk pages that he has no opinion (ahhh the hypocrisy). And this new user, Navlos person, has simply taken on the war because of his own personal POV and the fact that he is not familiar with the history of it all. He has butted head with User:Funeral on the issue without knowing why he's doing it.(Funeral, BTW, would get a support vote from me if he ever let his name stand for RfA... were I actually allowed to vote). User PEJL, the most level headed of all the mediators on the music templates is at his ropes end over the issue and has pretty much walked away from it. And Uber-troll Tic Tac has taken on the war more so due his own personal agenda against me(of which you are well aware). In the end... regardless of any consensus on the template talk page... my arguement all along... WELL VERSED in every edit summary I do... is that the example shown on the templates main page (for... eeesh... Mariah Carey) shows commas being used in the box. And if commas are shown being in use in the example box... then commas has the lead in the race until any sort of consensus is reached... by my thinking anyways. IF the example showed an either/or situation then that would be different... but it doesn't. The example which editors are to use as a layout guide shows commas. But that clear observation flies in the face of Kamcongeal's personal POV(which he denies) and so Funeral, PEJL, Skeeker and many other regular editors are left in an ongoing battle with the minority "come and go 'breakers'" over the simple formatting of a genre(which is usually the wrong genre :D ). My argument regarding the Mariah example + my push to simply say "if it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude falls on deaf "breaker" ears mainly due to the whole 'anti-anon'/'anti-156' thinking. A mediator from the admin world would be a really good help in brokering a treaty. I nominate you! :D . Tag you're it! Have a nice day! :D 156.34.222.204 10:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I have just spent some time looking over the comments at Template talk:Infobox Musical artist both in the Genres section and in the Standardizing genre delimiters section. Noting the somewhat circular discussion that seems to have reached no further conclusion, having one conclusion here at WikiProject Albums and the Genres section of the template talk page at odds with each other, I personally think it's a question that should be put to a wider audience, not just those finding their way to the template's talk page. I will be making a post on the Manual of Style talkpage.--Alf ^melmac 10:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Further to that I have now posted at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Delimiting marks in Musical artist infobox.--Alf ^melmac 11:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Saw it. I have a question what does "both line breaks commas ??? being acceptable, or line breaks being better" actually mean? Is there an extra word in there somewhere? :D 156.34.222.204 11:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Well at least I didn't typo or get my sppeelin wrong, I missed the "and". Thanks.--Alf ^melmac 11:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The way I've read all past discussions across many pages it's the commas that win out in the end. Hopefully this bigger forum will spark input from others who see the big picture. Cheers! 156.34.222.204 11:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I must say that has been my personal experience too. I also recognise the names of the editors who make a case for commas, whatever that implies.--Alf ^melmac 11:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Not that I go around vio'ing wp:npa all the time... but some people really should've tried to stick it out in school beyond grade 2. :D . 156.34.142.110 20:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Irony of ironies, I got involved again. Put both my feet in. Turns out he was mimicking you both :-D Scarian^Talk 22:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Mimiking us he is? Underestimate the power of the wiki he must not :) --Alf ^melmac 23:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The force is strong in my family, I have it, my son has it.... my son's dog Ozric has it. Search your feelings Alf - you know it be true! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 23:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Ozric only has it because he ate your lightsaber last night, he's been coughing sparks ever since.--Alf ^melmac 23:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That's easily the funniest line I've read on here in weeks. Thank you for causing an aging librarian to pass a cup of coffee and an entire double chocolate glaze doughnut through his nose :D . 156.34.228.22 01:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Motorhead Pictures

Hello and thank you for kind words. Please feel free to use my images on portals as you have mentioned. Had I known there was a portal, I would have added some myself. I'm getting good grip of wikipedia, but there's still a lot unexplored for me and I learn every day. Please feel free to use any of my pictures. Alternatively - I may upload some more Motorhead images for wider variety. MarkMarek 01:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Marek can go ahead and upload any Ivana and Wanda pictures if he wishes to do so as well :D . 156.34.228.22 01:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks Mark.--Alf ^melmac 08:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Dear Alfie,

Since I know you like to play with your buttons, please read this post on Alabamaboy's talk page. Please feel free to ruthlessly delete, redact, and revert away per my request. - JCarriker 22:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

A user with his own personal agenda

Been trying to help... along with Funeral. Scarian and others a new "level 4" user about where to find Wiki policies and guidelines and protocols and admin pages n such. This user has taken on his own personal war despite ongoing discussion. You may be interesting in looking at this User talk:Navnløs#TO_WHOM_IT_MAY_CONCERN-ABOUT_LINE_BREAKS_VS._COMMA_BREAKS:. Not only has he decided to flow to his own agenda... he's put it in BOLD letters for all to see. I expect he may be very young. and running a low wattage bulb. Not sure how he should be convinced that there are better ways to join the team. 156.34.228.22 23:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I notice Motorhead is listed there, I recently asked Bubba to sumbit that to the Featured Article Review process, there should be no edit warring about anything at all on that page otherwise it will be grounds for speedily refusing the process for it. I have to point this out as when the FA is submitted I will not be happy if our time is wasted.--Alf ^melmac 10:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The Motorhead FA push has been pointed out to him on his talk page. That you and Bubba would be displeased with his personal agenda interfering with all the hard work you two have done was emphasised. The ol' adage of "If it ain't broke don't fix it" was suggested as well. He said he would comply... but at the same time added 8 more band article to his hitlist. He seems to have enlisted, albeit unknowingly, the assistance of uber-troll Tic Tac who has started undoing many of User:Funeral's cleanup with regards to WP:ALBUM which doesn't even have anything to do with the Musician template... but it does contain genres and Tic Tac can't seem to tell the difference between the two. After pointing Navlos towards the MoS discussion he seems to have calmed. But he may have just been up past his nighty night time and his Mum may simply have shoo'd him off to bed. 156.34.214.68 11:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

LOL, first of all, I'm not as young as you seem to think I am. Yes, I believe in the line break, but when a consensus is made on whether the line break or comma break is acceptable I will champion the winner and change all pages I can to the correct format, even if I dislike it. Second, for the time being I will leave Motörhead alone, as it would be great if it was a featured article. I'm surprised it isn't already. Navnløs 16:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

He is starting to irritate me now. I don't care about his petty argument with people over commas and line breaks. Could you take a quick peak at the Iron Maiden history and then take a look at User talk:Navnløs what I told him? You'll come to same conclusion as I have, Alf. The IM article has had commas before he even thought about creating an account. I've done everything in my power to be polite and sympathetic to his obsession but his last revert on the Iron Maiden article showed me complete and utter ignorance. I'm going to have a nice cup of tea :-) Your call Alf. I appreciate anything you can do. Scarian^Talk 22:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Taking a few random samples from the history backwards a few months from early October show the article to have used commas, so yes, that was a pointless edit - frankly I think any edits made for the sole reason of changing one to another is a waste of an edit; editors should find something more productive until other voices are heard, the more this type of editing continues the less likely any rational editor will want to step in and comment there.--Alf ^melmac 23:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Take your stations...

The article is now a featured article candidate, so let's grit teeth and get down to some serious work one and all! :) – B.hotep ^u/_t• 22:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Excellent nomination Bubba. You can do that smile while gritting your teeth Alf demonstrates like that, can't you? :) --Alf ^melmac 22:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

More than capable, old chum! – B.hotep ^u/_t• 23:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I saw "the nom" and I just wanted to wish both you and Bubba all the best and I hope all your hard work will pay off. As a lowly IP I am not allowed to cast a vote. But if I could it would be a thrashing support. That being said I will try and observe the nom page and will assist you in any way I can should anyone list up any anal whinings about the article. Good luck!! 156.34.142.110 00:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC) "Libs"

So support it anyway, even if someone strikes the comment, everyone will have known that you supported. :D KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 02:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It is fairly obvious that IP votes are stricken to reduce the risk of abuse/vote stacking/socking, but it just wouldn't be the case with Mr Libs. You are a fully fledged user, albeit with a strange username! – B.hotep ^u/_t• 20:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the vote of confidence... to both of you. I did indeed express my opinion... the only one at the time... and last I looked, it was still there. A monumental moment on Wiki when anti-IP prejudice didn't leap in and strike me down with all their hatred .. sorry... I was waiting for a Star Wars moment to happen since the sparking dog remark... and there it was... it was my destiny :D I am still worried that, in the end, the nomination will fail due to editor worries about Motorhead moving into the FA neighbourhood meaning that all the other FA's lawns will die. 156.34.216.130 02:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Same ol', same ol'... it's the return of the falsifier

New IP for the falsifier. This time its 75.34.134.217 (talk · contribs). Either useless or false information... it's tha same old game. 156.34.218.69 21:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Please slap a {{subst:BV}} on the talk page as soon as you can, I didn't block that ip as it would have been punitive rather than preventative.--Alf ^melmac 12:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting my talk page. Will you semi-protect it for an hour? By then they should stop trying to annoy me. Cheers!--SJP 12:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from me as well. I reported the person for 3RR violaton. Davidpdx 12:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

No problems, the named account holder was just blocked for 31 hours, if they'd have gone another step after my test4 I'd have blocked them indefinitely, shame they didn't in a way.--Alf ^melmac 12:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

JJonz

the reverts you've been doing this AM are JJonz Socks. you want to report them, or should I? maybe WP:AIV would give a range or IP block. ThuranX 13:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't come across JJonz, so am unaware of previous history, if you'd care to report, please do. A nice long range block as well as a permanent block on the named account sounds like a good move if there's more behind this than I know of already.--Alf ^melmac 13:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, other editors have locked them all down, but he's an allready banned editor. reviewing here, [3] User:Gaashoo'sbane, User:JJonzagain6, User:JJjonzagain, User:JJ Marsjonz are all him, and it appears there are three other editors monitoring that sock, including Gschoryu, so I'm going to drop him a note and let him follow up, he's got the most experience, I jsut noticed the trend in the edit histories. ThuranX 14:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Motörhead

Well done :-) Scarian^Talk 20:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well it wasn't done singlehandedly, so I'll take what's mine and share the rest out. Thanks :) --Alf ^melmac 20:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yours will be a huge chunk of that FA celebration sponge cake, Alfred. :) – B.hotep ^u/_t• 20:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't voted on an FA for a very long time... because of the anti-IP thingy. It felt nice to get my voice heard again... and nice to see the article get "up'd" without any of the "Wiki-anal entourage" stepping in to find fault.... simply because they didn't like the subject that doesn't really happen does it? :D I lost hope in the FA process when the Paul McCartney article failed because it had too many references taken from reliable sources??? This FA helps to renew my faith. Congrads to Alf and Bubba for their big "patient" push. 156.34.142.110 20:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you did - I was surprised myself your vote wasn't struck. Score one for anons I suppose! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 21:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I would say it has more than restored my faith – it has helped me be more determined to contribute something to this darn encyclopedia once again! Thank you one and all. – B.hotep ^u/_t• 20:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well funny you should say that... (points to the Project page goals that Alf just went and upped the stakes on), gotta be Lemmy now hasn't it? :) --Alf ^melmac 20:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll get right on it, matey-o-boyo. :) – B.hotep ^u/_t• 21:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Nicely done - Alfie I still haven't finished reading the entire thing lol. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 21:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Image question

A question concerning the validity of Image:Greif photo - Human.jpg was brought up on my regular talk page. I am reviewing the history on it and all I see is a pic with a highly dubious (almost demanding) source that is likely copyvio. It shows up in numerous websources [4], [5], [6]... etc... both colour and B&W. Even the source himself says that the image was used in many magazines which cited multiple sources for the pic. The image uploader only made 2 edits in his entire history... 1 to upload the pic... the other to add it to the Death article. I would like to tag the pic as a {PUIdisputed}. But every time I try and compose some sort of simple wording that can conveys the sheer "WTF?" about this image... it just winds up sounding stupid and makes me look like a complete dumbass no comments from the peanut gallery A librarian that's short on words ... there's a WTF? if there ever was one. Dear Abby Alfy :D where do I go from here? 156.34.223.225 00:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

When I download the wiki-photo and zoom in on the area top right I believe I am seeing the same white writing seen in the German site here, if it is indeed the original photographer and manager of the band, why was an inferior uploaded? (the res is much lower than on the web shots). There are no indication that it was taken with a camera (those usually have an infobox bottom left identifying camera make etc.) It does seem that the claim by the uploader, who before anyone attempts to challenge it, says "I am the source of this photo, under my previous user name Griffolio." and "The only thing that is important is that it is not removed from the Death page" seems 'empty'. Whereas I'd like to assume good faith and believe that, it smells fishy enough to think otherwise. I would however, like an opinon from someone who is very clued up on the image policies (Betacommand appears to be away at the moment) I'll go draw his attention to this question. Thanks.--Alf ^melmac 10:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

its a blatant copyvio, it appears to be a promotional photo. (self made photos will not be as good as this photo is, it was obviously taken at a professional studio) β^_command 12:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

If it is a copyvio... and I too now believe most assuredly that it is... should it be tagged as a Speedy_D? 156.34.142.110 13:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

No bother I'll go zap as such.--Alf ^melmac 13:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

And by the time I'd got there, the tag was already there, suppose it helps process to be seen to be done. Thanks.--Alf ^melmac 14:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Excellent.... and now... an altogether different question which requiring a whole new section... :D

An altogether different question

I posted a question concerning a permanently banned user who is editing from a known IP sock yesterday on Admin Daniel's talkpage. (See User_talk:Daniel#Question_about_a_permanently_blocked_user_who_is_still_active_as_an_IP I pick on Daniel because of his previous knowledge of the whole SEGA case. Simply put... why isn't a known IP of a permanently banned user not permanently blocked? Daniel seems to be on bit of a break and the SEGA IP sock still keeps editing away. Is there a better community forum/alert page for this type of alarm?... without re-opening the entire SEGA RCU case or his Community Sanction case. If never post anything like this at ANI because... unless the 'on-call' admin is completely familiar with the situation.... it'll likely get breezed. The IP was blocked for 6 months prior to SEGA getting his Royal lifetime booting. Essjay was the blocking admin on the IP... hmmmm can I ask him to look into it :D ... just kidding. I could just be patient and wait for Daniel to return and read his messages.... but I am not a patient Wiki-person when it comes to editors like SEGA. Where does one drop the next shoe? 156.34.142.110 14:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Indeed Daniel last edited on the first of the month. ips should generally not be indef blocked, I would expect Daniel will add another six months to each ip on his return. As the ip accounts are making less than a handful of edits each day, I'll check what they do until Daniel returns and decides on the issue. If you were to post at AN/I expressly stating that those familar with 'SEGA Case' are asked for their opinion, the worst that can happen is no answer. Learning patience is good though, particularly useful around here, where, for example, consensus over commas or breaks will take weeks, maybe longer ;) --Alf ^melmac 17:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

What's a comma??? :D 156.34.142.110 17:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

:p :D.--Alf ^melmac 17:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Got a reply from Daniel... he isn't able to assist just now and suggest I re-post over at ANI. I will re-compose my message to him(which was written as sort of a personal direct) into a more general form... when I get to desk and my static IP-dom. In the meanwhile SEGA re-rv'd the template you re-added onto his talkpage yesterday[7]. He is determined to sneak back into Wiki and begin his campaign again (he is a copyvio artist) 156.34.238.192 11:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I posted at ANI but it's been ignored. In the meantime SEGA has begun creating user accounts from those IPs again... likely he is making alot so that he can fall back on them later... typical modus operandi. The first one I've spotted is Hooks21101 (talk · contribs). His edit habits are easy to spot. I do not disagree with some of his edits. But I am of the belief that if you are permanently banned via community sanction.... then your cards have all been played and there is no second deals. My opinion anyways... because I am so mean :D. 156.34.142.110 19:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmm.

• 18:28, 7 November 2007 edit to Iron Maiden article by Hooks21101 does cleanup removing POV.
• 20:10, 7 November 2007 edit to 156. talk page by Hooks21101 stating is not "banned user" but is Darthrya (talk · contribs).
• 20:17, 7 November 2007 156. replies on talk page stating similarity between edits of the account and banned user.
• 20:32, 7 November 2007 67.33.61.18 edits 156. talk page to say "I understand. Sorry. Removing tags is a bad habit".
• 20:33, 7 November 2007 edit by 67.33.61.18 removing the post the same ip has just made.

68.112.20.9 to 68.112.25.197 was noted as SEGA at Community sanction noticeboard and AN/I.

67.33.61.18 (talk · contribs) was not. 67 is, presumably, Hooks21101, and is likely, as he says, Darthrya. If the current post at AN/I doesn't result in anyone answering, a checkuser would either clear, confirm, or be inconclusive on the issue.--Alf ^melmac 23:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

?Doesn't this confirm that he is SEGA? The IP's Phish fetish is what gives him away more than anything. Since 67.33.61.18 is already tagged as a SEGA IP based on a previous CU. And since we are 99.9% sure that 67 is Hooks. Then Hooks is SEGA, SEGA is banned and 67 should get another 6 months of edit block/account creation block. A year would be even better. I can just guess at how many "New account/red link usernames" are suddenly going to be popping up on every single article that's even remotely associated with Phish or Iron Maiden or Black Sabbath or Genesis or Fishbone or 24-7-Spyz or any other typical SEGA stomping ground. User:Moeron is on hiatus... taking a much needed rest after battling with SEGA and his overflowing sock drawer for well over a year. I've seen other users come to Moeron's aid but Moeron himself was the one user who could push SEGA socks under the banhammer better than anyone. Daniel and Luna are both familiar with SEGA... very familiar. Along with the Daddy Deathrocker/Leyasu "dumbo-duo"... and the toytown vandal... and Willie... and the Gilbraltan... and Ethan C... SEGA is right up there as one of the most negative elements of Wikipedia.... during my entire Wiki-experience... which is lengthy. I've seen many trolls and vandals. I recommended to Scarian once that he install Lupin's tools... turn on the real-time "naughty word sniffer" and just watch how much vandalism takes place in Wiki every single second. He took my advice... and he was blown away by what he saw. He asked "how does one keep up?"... "How do you contend with such huge volumes of vandalism happening so frequently?" My answer was simple... "Just walk away"... you can't catch it all so don't bother. I don't sit at any one computer too often... I move around... and every now and then I hit the RC link... browse 2 or 3 pages that I can just guess have been vandalised... rv... and then walk away. I've seen thousands upon thousands of edits that "I just knew" were vandal edits... and I never checked them... just walked away and let someone else take care of it. If I couldn't do that then I wouldn't have been able to last as long as I have. Through the huge number of edits that I've made on Wikipedia and for as long as I've been here... which is nearing 'forever'... only 1 user ever got 'under my skin' enough that I just couldn't walk away. I had to check just one more time to see if I could catch him yet again. Can you guess who that user is? Hmmm? I wonder. It wasn't Daddy D... and it wasn't Ethan C. (although I could nab Ethan C in my sleep) There are just some trolls that... no matter where they go here... I just find them... they stick out... and this time... like all the other times... I will try my best to "turn down the suck" wherever I find him. :D. Time to walk away. 156.34.238.192 01:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

As I worried about... my very clear call for help at ANI went ignored and was deleted. It's why I don't bother with ANI too often. Any suggestions. Clearly SEGA has returned to his old 67 IP #... plus another in the 68.X range. What's the process to get this guy locked before Wiki gets bombed in copyvio again? 156.34.142.110 20:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

PS

75.34.134.217 (talk · contribs) is not SEGA. But it IS "the falsifier". He's easy to spot too. :D

Thank you for eavesdropping "Mr Self" :D 156.34.220.50 03:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

It's one of the things I'm good at, so I can't help myself at times. Besides I have to keep watch on my son in some way. ;) KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 03:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Now that's funny!... NOW I can walk away! :D. 156.34.209.0 03:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Greif photo - Human.jpg

Could you please tell me why you deleted my photo that was used on the page Death (band)? I took this photo personally, it had a Fair Use Rationale and an appropriate license chosen. I do not believe there was even a warning beforehand. Please explain. Thank you, A Sniper 01:19, 08 November 2007 (UTC)

I deleted a photo uploaded by User:Griffolio per the rationale in the image question section above. It was an obvious copyvio.--Alf ^melmac 10:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

User's uploads are rather... hmmm????... how do you describe "the sledgehammer approach" to fair-use rationale? Worth a look from Betacommand or one of the other FU stickers. 156.34.209.0 11:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Hot damn don't you ever sleep Mr. Anon? I'm sleep typing.... :D KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 11:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I just had 7 hours of golden slumber. I am just "proxy'ing in" to check my mail... and get a couple of rvv's in over a piece of toast and a cup of tea. :D 156.34.209.0 11:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah that's more than I've had. I was on my way to Neverland when, I was asked to comment on something at AN/I, which made me lose my desire to sleep. I wonder if Alfie likes us using his talk page to converse trivial matters? :D KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 11:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Are we now going to be told that a number of familiar names that are apparent in the edit history of the Eric Grief article are indeed Eric himself? If we are, why is that person not only creating but maintaining their own article here?--Alf ^melmac 11:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I've tried, on occasion, just to do a spamlink clean over there... only to get rv'd by an editor who obviously had strong WP:OWN tendencies on the page. So I gave up (which I don't do too often). The Greif page smells of a bloated sense of self-worth on someone's behalf. I notice many of the previous editors uploads have multiple "red-link" users adding in the heavy handed FUR statements. Me thinks we've come across a fierce nest of socks. 156.34.209.0 11:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Point being, the uploader of the image in question said they were the band's manager, one of which is Eric Greif. I am just forestalling the having of cake and eating it too.--Alf ^melmac 11:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I am Paul G. Most of my edits are related to Jewish history, Judaism, historical figures, my brother, music, and most recently my uncle (whose page was started in the last couple of days by the gentleman who runs a blog which has written about my uncle)[8]. I upload images I have access to. I merely enquired about the photo for the Death page because I believed the proper license and FUR were done. If I was incorrect, please specify why. If you believe my brother's page is bloated, then edit it accordingly. For example, I saw your banner and will try and arrange it with footnotes. I have tried, in my own edits merely to keep it balanced with NPOV info. I appreciate your assistance. Best, A Sniper 13:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Then I did not delete the photo you described in your first post as "my photo" unless you are that other user also. 'Your' photo is here.--Alf ^melmac 15:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Wiki_alf. When I saw the photo was gone, I replaced it myself. I believe my brother originally uploaded that photo. Anyone who worked for Death during that tour would have a copy, and it appeared in several publications at the time. If the photo is not appropriate from a copyright perspective, could you please explain why and what procedure must be followed to get it up there. Best, A Sniper 18:47, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Firstly I would not be using that particular image, the one I deleted had traces of white writing on the top right, this one has the same cut/splice on the left hand side of the image that the German fan site picture has. I would instead choose the right hand side picture at the promo page of multimedia - Human section as the photographer is given on that one. It is also apparent, using this one, that the promotion was for Roadrunner Records and has the band details (albeit in German) provided by Roadrunner Records. As a point of interest, the orginal photographer would have the initial rights for copyrighting the images they took, dependent on the contract they had with Roadrunner, it would be easier by far to use the photograph that names the photographer, while acknowledging that it was part of a press kit issued by Roadrunner Record, who would normally be the owners of the copyright. So the tags I would be using if I were uploading an image of the band are (bearing in mind I would be choosing the image which names the photographer):

{{Non-free promotional}} {{Non-free media rationale |Description=Promotional picture of the band "Death". |Source=Original photograph by Michael Haynes, one of three images released by Roadrunner Record in a press kit to support the 1991 release of their ''[[Human (album)|Human]]'' album. This particular image taken from [http://www.humandeath.de/Pic_Promo.htm www.humandeath.de]. |Article=Death (band) |Portion=cropped version of promotional picture. The press kit image has the band logo, the name of the record the image is promoting (''Human''), the record company logo/name (relativity - a part of Roadrunner Records), and the name of the photographer. |Resolution=low - the resolution has been greatly reduced from the original |Purpose=the image being used as the primary means of visual identification of the topic |Replaceability=as the image shows the line up of the band Death for promotional purpose: supporting a commercial record album (and this line up of the band cannot be reproduced due to one of the members being deceased) there is obviously no such thing as a "free" version of it - all of the resources in the world couldn't produce one. |other_information= }}

I would not be mentioning that the image is in the possession of any number of people around them at the time, they may well have a copy of the image, but they in no way "own" that image. If you are able to state which publications and give the dates of publications, that information would be useful in the "other information" section of fair use rationale I draughted above.--Alf ^melmac 08:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I greatly appreciate your assistance - all the time & effort. Best, A Sniper 10:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Did you notice?

I saw your "step-in" attempts for the young Mr. Scipo. Not sure if you caught his reaction... he reverted all your edits. It seems to be a skill he's good at. :D . Oh he did add discussion... but it was after the fact... and he didn't wait for anyone else's opinion. Which seems to be getting under an ever growing number of other editor's skins. He has a fanclub building some sort of request for help case against him. I personally think those things are a waste of time. But, in the grand scheme of building a community case... I guess it's a req'd first step.

BTW, SEGA got another 6 month block on his IPs. I still think I will be seeing a slew of 'red link' users adding copyvio images to Phish articles over the next few months. But, time may prove me wrong.

It's -2 degress C here in Eastern Canada... and I just spent 2 hours freezing my 'sit-upon' off down at the cenotaph. Time for a big mug o' hot chocolate. 156.34.223.178 18:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed, at least he didn't try and undo my archiving his talk page (in preference to his blanking the page), and thanks for drawing my attention to it.--Alf ^melmac 18:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed that Foxytunes link after you formatted it. I've never heard of Foxytunes. But the information they have for Technical metal is really just a mirror of Wikipedia... I think. When you click on "more information" on the Foxytunes page it just says more info found on Wikipedia. Not sure if that meets WP:RS???

Time for hot chocy number 2... Brrrrr!!! 156.34.223.178 19:36, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Erm isn't that what I said on the talk page there? No, worse still it directs you back to wiki - to Progressive metal hmmmm. Mind you "technical metal" does get more hits than "cunt metal", for what it's worth considers going off and inventing a page about cunt metal :)--Alf ^melmac 19:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

:D  !!! I think we've discussed that topic before. Lemmy is a reliable source.. I say go ahead. 156.34.223.178 20:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

A weekend of remembrance well timed with Remembrance Day

This has been a good weekend Alf. SEGA's main IP got a 6 month sentence. Scipo got a month for rv'ing 100 times too many without asking or caring if it was OK with anyone else. And I had been very content with the knowledge that Deathrocker_Daddy Kindhole had been blocked for a year and I just stumbled into learning that he has been banned permanently for running an overpopulated sock farm.

WOW!!!!!, what a Remembrance Day!!!!

At the going down of the sun... and in the morning... we will remember them... and all the damage they've done to Wikipedia.

Now if Wiki could just perma-ban that handsome bunch o' anonymous Canucklehead librarians. :D OH! wouldn't that be good! Have a great night Alf!!! 156.34.223.178 23:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Warning

About the warning you sent to this computer, it is actually a school computer, please forgive any bad edits done. It is a public high school, and this IP is one of the first that had been given the warning. (63.199.47.253 20:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC))

No problem, it was months ago anyway and the ip hasn't edited at all since, let alone make any unconstructive changes. Thanks for the feedback though.--Alf ^melmac 20:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Belated congratulations

Wow, I didn't see Mötorhead made it to FA till now. Congrats, well done!! Of course, it's not your article, but I think you deserve a lot of credit for it. --JoanneB 18:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll pass a lot of that on to Bubba, who was invaluable in getting it where it is.--Alf ^melmac 18:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

One of the things I love about WP, the team efforts! :) --JoanneB 18:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanky Alfie—yes it was a typo thanks for catching it. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 20:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure pops, I also changed the use of a verb, cookie me now? :D I noticed that nice new shiny on your talk page and got jealous for a moment :) Nicey-nicey.--Alf ^melmac 20:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Many cookies for Alfie.

Yes November has been a good month for my awards page! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 20:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Alf makes short shrift of the cookies That's nice pa BURP :D --Alf ^melmac 21:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

LOTS of vandalism this morning Alfie— we could use a great vandal whacker like you on IRc right now.. As I'm like the only one that's really active at the mo' besides ClueBot. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 15:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, no can do, am at work, just doing some tidying up after something while its quiet. Sorry.--Alf ^melmac 15:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

ahh oh well, you're missing all the fun son! :) KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 16:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I thank you twice Sir Alf. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 15:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

No sweat pops :D --Alf ^melmac 15:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment

[9] - That is probably the single greatest idea in the history of man since the inception of "time". Why didn't I think of that? That would solve so many problems! - But I fear it would create others, in respects to: "If only one genre is allowed, then what genre should it be?" - How would that one be cured? Scarian^Talk 22:52, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a brilliant suggestion. I suggestion I made a long time ago... and it fell on deaf ears. I stewed about it for a few months and then broached the topic again on my own talk page on September 26. Here is what I said at that time [10] thereafter to be known as... "the peeve". Wikipedia made the mistake a long time of not distinguishing 'genre' from 'style'. It's an oversight that has come to haunt us. I even posted "the peeve" to the WP:GENRE project (a typical do-nothing/go-nowhere Wiki-project) and it resulted in zero replies/comments. I was actually pondering over the suggestion that editors COULD set down a rule that said "2 genres=breaks... 3 or more = commas"... thinking that this would satisfy the comma-ists who don't like long boxes... and would also promote the "breakers" into due diligence on... what appears to be the only real rule ever given for the field... "Aim for generality". If "breakers" thought they could "BR" every single box by having only 2 genres... they'd actually start to "trim the fat" and clear out some of the superfluity that flows through that particular field in many many many most music artist I_boxes. I say I was pondering putting this idea forward and then it struck me... WAIT... this is WIKI... and no one will ever see the common sense in my suggestion.... so I just won't bother putting it forward. But... I did get to stretch my fingers and type it here so Alf... sorry for "peeve" extension/expansion from my own talk page to yours. Good luck with your suggestion. I doubt that the glee club will go for it. But I respect how you have attempted to admin some democracy into the convo. 156.34.210.66 (talk) 23:36, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

In his own words

I don't have it, I've cribbed some of it from google books - Drwhawkfan (talk) 18:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh smart, maybe some kind soul will give you one for a Christmas present, I'm hoping for that (hint hint folks at home!!)--Alf ^melmac 18:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't you rather have a doll? - Drwhawkfan (talk) 18:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

EEEEKKK!! That's gross, I'd not seen (not that I was looking for) one of those before, thanks, but I think I'll stick with the book.--Alf ^melmac 18:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I could guarantee you one thing...

Deleting the musician infobox would be the greatest example of WP:BOLD that has ever graced these hallowed Wiki walls :D I am still trying to dare myself to suggest the " 'BR' by 2, comma by 3" suggestion. I've argued the "there is only one genre" point almost to the point of WP:POINT. But no one listens. I am reading Brittannica's latest DVD resource. Even their mighty frequently flawed pages are jumping all over on band genre descriptions... at one time they were all just "rock"... now they are being a little more detailed for some bands/artists... but I am seeing lots of inconsistencies in their newest volume. Why do I forsee this topic still being discussed a year from now :D . 156.34.230.187 (talk) 00:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Even if settled, old arguments raised by new users will undoubtedly lead us all round the garden path again in the future, I'd not take a bet against being in the same position a year down the line for that reason. Encyclopædia Britannica lets us down in a number of ways, most notably in the area of stating nationalities simply for complex cases, we should aim to set ourselves above that and get the neutral, overall view, of the subjects, this applies just as much here as that <--insert your favourite expletive here--> Copernicus page I've had to give up on (self-certificated medical advice ;)). If that means that some users have to actually write a coherent line of prose to include the latest outbreak of sub-genre in their favourite band's article, well, bloody good job, we'll have made some of the fiddles-with-article editors into contributors. Good result, I'd say.--Alf ^melmac 00:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

If I were to insert my favourite expletive it would show up in Lupin's tools naughty word search engine and I'd get in trouble. Speaking of expletives... sort of... why would the Category:Profanity fall under the Category:Holiness? Strange Wiki-bed-pairing? 156.34.230.187 (talk) 00:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Please feel free to try it and see, KoS is prolly about, I'm off to bed so I won't be able to unblock you :D That seems ok to me - the sacred and profane are extremities of the same essence, even if almost diametric to each other.--Alf ^melmac 00:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Question

Would Category:Breakthrough albums be classed as a bonafide pov cfd? My thought is yes. and I am betting a $3 note that an eavesdropping Scarian nominates it before you get a chance to reply to my question :D 156.34.210.6 (talk) 23:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)