Talk:Soap opera rapid aging syndrome

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This article was nominated for deletion on Nov 20 2007. The result of the discussion was Keep.

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Another age mistake that has happened a couple of times on Neighbours is that a couple gets together, leaves the show, and then return to the show with kids who, from their age, must have been born before their parents met. This has happened with both Hannah Martin (Rebecca Ritters), who was 7 when she came into Neighbours in early 1992, yet her parents didn't meet until late 1985, and Serena Bishop (Lara Sacher) who arrived in 2003 at the age of 15, yet her father was still single in late 1988.

These jumps seem more like scripting errors than intentional SORAS (where a pre-teen is intentionally bumped-up to become a fully-fledged late-teen or young adult). In the cases above, it seems technically possible for these people to have been conceived and born in the time anyway. Given the jump is just a few months or a year, not really in the spirit of SORAS. Asa01 20:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I beleive they are, for the most part, intended. Fans have often asked Neighbours' scriptwriters about the age mistakes, and they've said they are generally are on purpose, and ages are often changed slightly to fit in with storylines. Cyclone49 05:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SORAS is the intentioanl aging of characters by several years to allow them a differing range of storylines. So a character born 8 years ago is hurriedly transformed to a teenager so they can start dating, etc. I do not believe that jumps of say, two years, fit into the spirit of what this article is talking about. Even though an age might be shifted for pragmatic reasons in one storyline (they need a 21st party in the story) I feel this is different from upping someone into a teenager which is what this article is describing. Asa01 00:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Strike the above. The new examples added to article seem to indicate that the two year age jumps were planned, intentional, and for particular reasons. The older examples had not explained the case quiet as well. Asa01 21:45, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category: 5-letter acronyms

I replaced the category, as the category cannot be placed on the SORAS redirect page as suggested. As SORAS is indeed a 5-letter acronym, the category appellation is appropriate. Gjs238 15:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not unique to soaps

Is SORAS a neologism created by the authors of this article or is it also used "in the wild"? I ask because I can recall plenty of instances of rapid aging of television characters outside of soap operas. Examples include Alexander Roshenko and Molly O'Brien from Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and Andrew Keaton from Family Ties. Perhaps the article could be expanded to include such non-soap examples. —Psychonaut 18:39, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That stuff is already in the article including some of those examples. Asa01 20:22, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Kaitlin Cooper in "The OC" was SORASed

She was 11 first season, left the second season, and when she came back third season she was fourteen, then had her fifteenth birthday, so she was SORASed one or two years, but at least one year.

long list moved here

Examples of SORAs

Whoa! Too much information! The article is already rather example heavy, we don't this list too. Asa01 20:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All My Children
- J.R. Chandler (Originally born in 1989)
- Colby Chandler (Originally born in 1999)
- Amanda Dillon (Originally born in 1991)
- Danielle Frye (Originally born in 1994)
- Jamie Martin (Originally born in 1991)
- Bianca Montgomery (Originally born in 1988)

As the World Turns
- Tom Hughes (Originally born in 1961)
- Casey Hughes (Originally born in 1995)
- Lucy Montgomery (Originally born in 1989)
- Luke Snyder (Originally born in 1996)

The Bold and the Beautiful
- Thomas Forrester (Originally born in 1998)

General Hospital
- Brook Lynn Ashton (Originally born in 1994)
- Georgie Jones (Originally born in 1995)
- Maxie Jones (Originally born in 1990)
- Dillon Quartermaine (Originally born in 1992)
- Lesley Lu "Lulu" Spencer (Originally born in 1994)

Guiding Light
- Holly "Blake" Marler (Originally born in 1976)

One Life to Live
- Duke Buchanan (Originally born in 1992)
- River Carpenter (Originally born in 1994)

Passions
- Ethan Martin "Little Ethan" Crane

"international"

What's the meaning of "international" in "international soaps"? perhaps "non-US"? if so, that's not really good: this is english-language Wikipedia, not united-states Wikipedia. Gbnogkfs 12 August 2006, 23:02 UT

Simpsons

Do the simpson's apply in any way to this article? Similer to de-SORASing, they have stayed the same age throughout something like 20 years.

Not really. SORAS is jumping the age of a character forward a few years by recasting the role with a much older actor. None of these things have happened with The Simpsons. Asa01 07:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation?

Anyone know how you would pronounce this? umm.. my guess would be "sore ass" but that just doesn't seem right.

No, "sore ass" is how you would pronounce it. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 06:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I never thought of it like that. I always say "soars" though I know it is SORAS. 216.82.171.38 05:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neighbours - is this correct?

Summer Hoyland (Marisa Siketa) went from being 10 years old in 2003 to being 14 years old in 2005

Is this actually correct? I don't remember Summer ever being anything other than Marisa Siketa's real age (note that Siketa is small and quite young-looking for her age, so maybe viewers just assumed she was 10?) I'm sure it would have been mentioned by the Neighbours geeks on the Perfect Blend site if it was true... 217.155.20.163 21:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure there was a reference to her being ten in the 2003 season, and then I think she had a 14th birthday in the 2004 season. It was mentioned a fair bit on http://www.neighboursfans.com/forum/ a while ago. Cyclone49 01:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't SORAS just apply for continuity violations?

I was reading over this article and I noticed that occasions in science fiction shows in which a character's rapid aging is explained is included among those in which continuity is clearly breached. I think instances such as Connor's aging in Angel or children with alien heritage aging quicker in Star Trek should at least be placed in a separate category.

Australian soaps

Australian soaps have recently begun the trend of SORASing characters for storyline purposes

How recently is "recently"? Neighbours has been ageing characters practically from the beginning, starting (I think) with Lucy Robinson back in 1987 or so. 217.34.39.123 13:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hmmm....good point, Lucy did seem to gain a few years each time the character was recast, and Hannah was introduced on the show 15 years ago.Dippit 06:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

quality of article

the quality of this article is terrible. this sounds more like an uncyclopedia article than a wikipedia article. it is presented as a joke with fake concern for mortality rates etc. this should also be scaled way down. its sucha large article on such an uninmportant thing. this could also be merged into 'continuity' in film and be summed up in a paragraph with out all the lists and examples.... this is garbage!!!!!

besides this includes examples that arent even in Soap Operas! -forcefieldmaker87 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.113.90.254 (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename

Per my comments in the AfD, does anyone share my view that there should be a different title for this article? If so, does anyone have a suggestion? I (talk) 00:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, I'm against renaming it. This is the common name for it, and the name it was coined as.

I don't know how I missed the deletion debate for this article, considering that I had/have this article on my watchlist. Last night I noticed that I'd missed it, but I suppose that showed me how busy I've been with other matters on Wikipedia (...that and that I have far too many articles on my watchlist, that's for sure). I put this article on my watchlist mainly because I felt that it may be nominated for deletion one day. I mean, I knew/know how notable this term is, but this article didn't (and still doesn't at the moment) present that in the best way, and some editors' first reaction is to nominate an article for deletion instead of seeing about getting it fixed up. Anyway, this article should stay at this name. Flyer22 (talk) 00:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ATWT and OLTL

I have removed the list of SORASing from ATWT and OLTL as it is not necessary to include every single example of SORASing from those shows. 203.118.176.121 06:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alan-Michael Spaulding

The article states that Alan-Michael Spaulding (of Guiding Light) was de-SORASed with the recasting of Micheal Dempsey.

Michael Dempsey was born June 1967, and Rick Hearst who played him for the the longest before that (he was very briefly recast before the character left the show) was born Jan. 1965. Micheal Dempsey is only 2 years younger than Rick Hearst, although he did look and act quite young, and dated a younger woman- Marina, who is known for dating older men. (And he also went after Ava, but we have already seen he likes women in there 20's) His age was never specifically stated since the recast as far as I know. I think that he was just supposed to be a playboy, but not in his 20's. So, I am going to remove the mention from the article.

208.53.104.68 (talk) 18:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)amyanda2000[reply]

Carley Tenny ATWT

I don't think that Carley counts as a de-SORAS-ed character either. I look at it more as an anacronism (or just an error to overlook). I'm pretty sure that Carley is still meant to be in her 30's. She's played by the same character and I see no indication that she is being played as a 20 year old. I'm debating whether to remove this.

I think De-SORASing really only counts when there is a recast. Otherwise, they are merely "re-aged" (The Erika Kane example) but I don't know if there is any kind of consensus on this.

208.53.104.68 (talk) 19:14, 23 December 2007 (UTC)amyanda2000[reply]