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In Life of Brian, Reg of the PFJ upbraids Brian "You CUNT! etc" - see Monty Python’s Life of Brian Bob Hawke famously described Bill Hayden as "a lying cunt with a limited future" - see Bob Hawke Ian Healy to Arjuna Ranatunga when the latter called for a runner during a one day cricket match: "You don't get a runner for being an overweight, unfit, fat cunt" - [1] 2001 - Zimbabwean cricketer Grant Flower played a shot against Australia which just evaded the fielders and scored some runs. Australian bowler Shane Warne's reaction, which was made almost directly into the stump microphones and heard on national television: "You fuckin' arsey cunt!" - [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tooclever4Uhaterz (talk • contribs) 13:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

There is a real danger that this article is eventually going to be overloaded with references and uses, and I'd suggest some restraint is necessary to avoid the proposal that there should be a List of Uses of the Word "Cunt". I think the encyclopedia could live without such a list. --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 18:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes, trivia really. But which uses should be in the encyclopedia and which shouldn't? James Joyce's use is notable and less trivial, but don't we go a bit into POV each time? Monty Python is a celebrated comedy troupe and James Joyce is a celebrated writer.--Keerllston 13:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Formatting Changes

Reverted good faith edits by Dwarf Kirlston; Revert pending consensus discussion.

I was bold, but given that this is a controversial page, my edits were held back until consensus could be reached.

Currently Usage has topics 4.1 In modern literature
4.2 Referring to women
4.3 Referring to men
4.4 Usage in Great Britain
4.5 Usage in Ireland & Scotland
4.6 Usage in Australia
4.7 Usage in the United States
4.8 Referring to inanimate objects
4.9 Other uses
I propose that "In Modern Literature" be moved to "in popular culture" - literature is ,perhaps not "popular" literature but, definitely not popular usage
I propose that Usage by country be preceded by the different types of usage.
I note that "Usage:pre-20th Century" relates to etymology as origins to current usage - I propose that "Vulgarity and offensiveness should not split them apart.--Keerllston 13:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Note: I also did something less likely to reach easy consensus, more debatable, than the above, I altered headings. I changed "Usage in Country Name" to "Country Name" - both are perhaps a tad unpalatable, and very debatable. This wold have deserved some talk page discussion even in an uncontroversial page.--Keerllston 13:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Lead

Proposed by User:Rodhullandemu

• basic definition - genital area, etc
• etymology
• offensive connotations
• familiar usage

I agree, but I wanted to say that Etymology should not simply be moved up but rather summarized, made concise -goes for all the other parts as well. Also it seems that the "Vulgarity and offensiveness" is badly formatted because it was part of a previous lead.--Keerllston 13:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Link needs update

http://www.matthewhunt.com/website/cunt/index.html instead of http://www.matthewhunt.com/cunt/ at the end of the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.136.67 (talk) 23:56, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, you can do that. --Rodhullandemu (please reply here - contribs) 22:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, you can't since the page is semi-protected. I'll do it. --Rodhullandemu (please reply here - contribs) 22:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Bull by the Horns

I've taken out a lot of stuff which by any standard is moot- look at the diffs to see what- or unsourced, or irrelevant. That which remains (from what I've looked at) but seems to be worthy of inclusion, I've tagged as needing citation. This is of necessity my own perspective and I don't mind being shot down for it; however, as I pointed out above, apart from the vandals, people have been sticking folkloric uses in without proper sources. Rather than just tear them out, I've left them for now, but it is a lot of work to try and find sources for recent popular culture. One example- in the "Rhyming Slang" section, there was a reference to an Essex butcher, Robert Munt. Leaving WP:BLP considerations aside, I could not find an independent source for this, so it went. A little restraint, discipline & encyclopediarity would not go amiss here. When time permits, I'll continue. --Rodhullandemu (please reply here - contribs) 02:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Support Might I say that Spoonerisms and so on are included in usage? perhaps a rename into "Usage:Spoonerisms..." in is order.--Keerllston 03:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Archive and Progress

Now that the article itself is semi-protected for a month, some housekeeping and organisation might be useful (& thanks already to User:Dwarf Kirlston here). I've taken the liberty of archiving a load of stuff which has either been incorporated, or rejected for inclusion as either irrelevant or unconstructive. In particular, it would seem prudent henceforth to be aggressive towards unsourced additions in "popular culture"-type sections, particularly music, film and television. The reasoning behind this is simple: notability; there was a time when use of "cunt" was a shocker, but those times are now behind us, unless you're aged about eleven. I'd argue that for an addition to be truly encyclopedic, it now has to be somehow outside or beyond the current usage which we document here. Having said that, please feel free to present counter-arguments and discussion; after all, nobody owns any Wikipedia article; it may not be a free-for-all, but it should at least be constructive. Happy New Year! --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 03:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Links

Did you see what does the last link point to? "Vaginafest.us", a page full of vaginas photos... Is that proper for an encyclopedia? --82.56.84.94 (talk) 00:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yup. Wikipedia is not censored. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 00:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The link is borderline relevant, in that it discusses "YONI YAGNA, CELEBRATION OF CUNT", and in that discussion makes a distinction between cunt & vagina. It is not a very authoritative looking website, but equally its content is distinct and fulsome. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Berk (dead link)

A citation URL for the origin of "berk" (45) appears to be dead. I can't edit in a replacement directly. However, both The New Oxford Dictionary of English (and, I'm assuming, any other print dictionary of a decent size) and Merriam-Webster Online give similar origins of the word (1930s, as rhyming slang etc), if anyone wants to do so. --English as tuppence 17:52, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 17:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Civilian Under Naval Training

I heard this used by Naval Reservists (myself among them) to describe themselves when I was attending schools at Naval Air Technical Training Center Memphis aboard Naval Air Station Memphis, Tennessee in 1970-1971.LorenzoB (talk) 03:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there a reference for this, as it needs to be verifiable? --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 03:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Military Uses

for whoever edits this page, 'cunt caps' are also worn by some Australian air force personal.

There would need to be a reliable source for this. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 03:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

i must point out then that under us military usage there is no citation. no meaning to be rude in doing so.