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Soe=/Su

I have been having a conversation with a prominent australian editor who is in indonesia at the moment who is moving articles due to their spelling being in not what he is finding as he travels in Indonesia. In other words he is not finding the pre-1972 spelling in anything he sees while is in country - and is subsequently moving articles - Suharto and Soebandrio so far. I have tried to explain from my perspective where I think a non-indonesian speaking user of wikipedia needs help if they do not know about the spelling change - might just need the old spelling in the first sentence of the article at least. I would much prefer some of our other project members to offer their thoughts on the usage of the pre-1972 spelling in persons names (or not) as I am obviously just one user questioning changes - do all names in this Indonesian wikipedia project that have soe- get changed to su, do we acknowledge that some older names might still be known by the soe rather than the su? I would appreciate some feedback on this, as I might be wrong in my bothering the editor - and would like to see whether I need to apologise for my interfering with his cleaning up things, or otherwise find that we have indeed have an issue over the variant spelling issue... SatuSuro 00:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone not sure what I am on about or where to find discussion - see the spelling - orthography issue - at [1] is a good start... SatuSuro 00:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really expert in this. I don't have any particular preference, but yeah current spelling is usually used. Perhaps in the lead we should also mentioning former spelling, as in candi with chandi. It's also the same case with Nusa kambangan when Michael moved it into Kambangan island. Nusa is a former name of pulau, so it is correct from the outsider (non-Indonesian) point of view but it would not familiar by Indonesian people. That's only my 2 cents. — Indon (reply) — 08:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

if you try to write so officialy you must use EYD. any article who after EYD must use EYD any school in indonesia have priorty about language teach so there mean no people are not familiar with eyd. Like soeharto become suharto this more proper cause this after eyd even there conflict about that, if you want right that it must be use EYD right spell.Daimond 15:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think the use of Nusa Kambangan is still relevant. So is Nusa Penida. I would feel very weird to say Pulau Kambangan or Pulau Penida. Matahari Pagi 09:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As for the spelling of proper names, I think one should also take into consideration the way the person self writes his or her own name. In the Indonesian language Wikipedia, names before 1972 should be spelled according the Soewandi spelling and before 1948 according the Van Ophuijsen spelling. Meursault2004 10:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is interesting: The United States Government spells both the first two presidents of Indonesia with 'oe' [2]. Actually this is also my personal preference :-) Meursault2004 22:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Which in turn shows that the now retired editor of February was in fact applying a principle that in fact does not fit well with usage. A very apt warning to any editor - regardless of apparent experience or notion of authority who seeks to apply a title or content which does not have adequate explanation of either the local usage or the possible available variations - in the first line of the article. The point still seems important 2 months later Satu Suro 04:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was this discussion ever concluded? I am working on Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Naming conventions and wasn't sure if there was a consensus one way or the other here. (I wrote that the 1972 spellings are preferred in general, since both Sukarno and Subandrio were where they are). Please help contribute to the naming conventions, where I have added other things. Rigadoun (talk) 18:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"This is not right, don't make confusing note like this. It's okay if other nation use older spelling or version or depend on their tongue, no strict convention naming here, don't make your own difficulties" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.133.82.2 (talk) 09:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename: Malay World => Nusantara?

See the discussion on Talk:Malay world and offer an opinion please. --Merbabu 11:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sumatran Rhinoceros at Featured Article candidates

I forget where we list these, so I'll put it here. Look at the article and comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sumatran Rhinoceros. Rigadoun (talk) 02:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename: Indonesian invasion of East Timor

I'd like to rename the above page to "Indonesian occupation of East Timor". Perhaps someone from this project would care to comment on the talk page? Thanks. – Scartol • Tok 23:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Air Flight 574

The above article, which falls into the scope of this project, is up for WP:FA. Please leave comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Adam Air Flight 574. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 23:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for Deletion

The articles Gelora Bung Tomo, Bukittinggi Airport and Madiun Stadium have been nominated for deletion. While my Indonesian is poor, I have reason to beleive that the stadiums are genuine, and that airport seems likely. Cheers. Mostlyharmless (talk) 22:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also Arema Malang International Airport was deleted. Does anyone know if this was a hoax? Cheers. Mostlyharmless (talk) 22:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesian legislative election, 1999

Selamat tahun Baru! I have been continuing to create articles to get rid of some of the more prominent redlinks on important pages, and am working my way through the Indonesian elections. I was surprised to see the Indonesian legislative election, 1999 was redlinked, and when I clicked on it, I found out that it had been deleted on 13 May 2005 my a (now ex-) admin for the reason "content was: 'poopy stinky poopy'". What's going on? Any thoughts? Any chance of recreating it, or if do (sigh) will it get zapped again? Davidelit (talk) 11:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Recreate it, it's a valid page. Do you have enough info to get it past the stub stage? haydn_likes_carpet (talk) 11:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have more than enough info to get it past the stub stage, but the problem is finding the time. There were 48 parties participating, and I hate making tables! OK, I'm on the case. Davidelit (talk) 13:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]