Talk:God Save the Queen (Sex Pistols song)

Wasn't there something about some of the charts having a black line as number one when this came out? -- Jim Regan 19:08, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

I suspect that would be chain stores like Woolworths and Boots blacking out the title. Certainly NME, in whose chart the single was listed as number one, published their chart "intact". It's possible that the NME chart was put up in stores having been doctored, I suppose. Bonalaw 12:10, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've removed this:

Fun Fact: "God Save the Queen" is the only song to appear on the top 100 list as two blacked out lines (one for the song, one for the band name).

As I've said before, NME published their chart intact, and I have since seen an actual copy of Record Mirror from the week after, and can confirm that it was printed normally there as well. Some record stores may have blacked it out when they put it on display, but unless a specific example can be given this "fact" is misleading. Besides, who was publishing a Top 100 in 1977 anyway? Bonalaw 16:05, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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I seem to recall something from the golden jubilee a couple years ago - wasn't the band actually invited to perform this? Did they? It's a nice ironic postscript to put in, if I do recall this right... Radagast 12:01, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Well they reformed in 2002, the Queen's Golden Jubilee, to tour (I think) and they were calling it their Silver Jubilee, even though it was really 26 years since they formed at the time.

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It would be great to put in the covers for this and the subsequent singles (I put in the Anarchy cover).

revisionism?

Although many would believe it was created because of the Jubilee, the band denies it, Paul Cook saying "It wasn't written specifically for the Queen's Jubilee. We weren't aware of it at the time. It wasn't a contrived effort to go out and shock everyone." Johnny Rotten has gone further in explaining the intent behind his lyrics, pointing out that they are actually meant to be sympathetic toward the Queen and critical of both the forces around her and, by extension, the hype surrounding the Jubilee.

The above claims have always sounded like revisionism on the part of the pistols to me, especially the sycophantic bit about the song being intended as 'sympathetic' to the queen. Yeah right. Lydon should be ashamed of himself for this mealy mouthed back-pedalling. I note he waited around 20 years before 'clarifying' his lyrical intent quercus robur 20:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

A good look at the lyrics would back up Johnny Rotten's claim that the song wasn't meant to diss the Queen. If you want to call him a liar or hypocrite or whatever, feel free to try doing so to his face, but not until you have a good dental plan, LOL. -- Cjmarsicano 20:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

the words are open to multiple interpretations, and were indeed probably more of a comment on the state of the UK in general than a specific attack on the royal family. But sympathetic to the queen??? I suspect that Lydon was actually in wind up mode once again (successfully, in my case..) when he made that statement, which was, IIRC, to some tabloid newspaper or other (The Sun I think...). I'm unlikely ever to meet Lydon (though i do have a signed book by him...), but if I did I'd happily put this to him (albeit politely), I doubt he'd be violent, I don't think he ever has been known for being physically aggresive, always very articulate in fact. He could have done with a decent dental plan himself though all those years ago... But maybe a punk spokesman with a Donny Osmond grin wouldn't have been quite so effective (but maybe more subversive in its way...) quercus robur 21:43, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't ever seeing something in which he said he was sympathetic toward the queen. In The Filth And the Fury he says "You don't write a song like 'God Save the Queen' because you hate the English race; you do it because you love them and you're tired of seeing them being mistreated." So obviously he was sympathetic toward the English common people, but I have yet to see him actually state that about the queen. About the band's denial of the song being specifically written for the jubilee, this was definitely true. The Paul Cook quote is obviously straight from his mouth, and Lydon has said that he had written the lyrics a while before the band created the music for it. This doesn't change the fact that the song was played in light of the Jubilee, but they probably didn't originally make the song because of it.

Aren't some of you missing the lines that very clear state: "God save the Queen/We mean it maaaan/We love our Queen/God saves" - surely no one here's suggesting we Wikipedians should go beyond the literal reading and introduce concepts like POV, blah blah, to insist what Johnny really meant to say was "We don't mean it maaaan/We hate our Queen..."? ;-) --DaveG12345 03:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd also suggest the ones claiming "revisionism" give Some Product a spin, particularly "Is The Queen A Moron?" - some contemporary, non-revisionist, 1977 insistence in there that the song is not critical of the Queen, but of "the general public"... :-) --DaveG12345 14:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Number 1?

In The Filth and the Fury they say that the song would've been #1 - but there simply was no #1 that week. The 1 spot was instead left blank. Any more info on this?--Wasabe3543 16:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

We have discussed this before. Actually, the official Barb/BBC chart listed "I Don't Want to Talk About It" by Rod Stewart as number one that week (interesting point: in a Record Collector article about GSTQ, it stated that Rod himself believed this to be a fix, and (feeling, if I can put it this way, that he was being "used") refused to go on Top of the Pops that week. If true, surely worth mentioning, but needs corroboration.)

The NME chart (which was still compiled separately from the oficial chart) appeared with GSTQ at number one, with both title and band name printed in full.

How the chart was displayed in record shops is another matter - there would be nothing to prevent, say, Boots or Woolworths from simply blacking the names out, or omitting them from their own posters. Likewise newspapers may have omitted the name and title. However, if they did so then it was their own, individual, editorial decision to do so, and did not come from "on high", so to speak. So far I haven't seen any actual evidence of doctored charts, though. Lots of people say they saw them at the time, and they may be right, but where's the documentary proof? --Bonalaw 10:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Interestingly, some footage of a chart with a blacked-out number one was included in a BBC Two documentary about the Union Flag this evening. Its origin remains a mystery - clearly it can't have been Music Week as MW never acknowledged GSTQ as a number one in any form. The chart was headed "CHART PLACINGS" and printed in a very clear typeface, if that helps. --Bonalaw 19:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge from Motorhead song article

Discussion at Talk:God Save the Queen (Motörhead song). — Bubba hotep 21:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Motorhead info

i took this out...

Motörhead version

"God Save the Queen"
Song

The heavy metal band Motörhead released a cover version of "God Save the Queen" as a single in 2000 to promote their album We Are Motörhead. The cover art gives further reference to the Sex Pistols by using the same cut-out words to form the title as the Sex Pistols' single cover.

A performance of the song recorded during the band's 25th anniversary concert at Brixton Academy on October 22, 2000, appears on their 25 & Alive Boneshaker DVD.

... because i think it unbalances the article terribly - the cover simply isn't relevant or important enough to warrant much article space - i'll follow the above link to the discussion now.... Petesmiles 07:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Would it be better to move it back to its own article? – B.hotep ^u/_t• 20:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Well I would like to avoid a backwards-forwards here, as I pointed out on other pages, I don't think that these cases are being considered in the wider scheme of things. I see nothing inconsistent between books and productions, and songs and singles, except in the notion that they always have to be on the one page. Songs themselves may merit a page, and we should not worry unduly when it fits other considerations better - like the reader - to have a related item elsewhere, though be only a link away.--Alf ^melmac 20:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Um I did say I wanted to avoid a backwards and forwards here :S --Alf ^melmac 21:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It's quite clear that the Motorhead element is not wanted in this article so it has been moved back. You can consider this a moment of ignorance to improve the flow of encylclopedic information, if you like. – B.hotep ^u/_t• 21:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

That's twice material that has been sent here been taken out, once partially, the most recent entirely. It is wanted as an end piece to Motorhead's discography, a sensible solution is to have ....single if it's not wanted here.--Alf ^melmac 21:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Morgan Fisher covered the song chipmunk-style on his "Hybrid Kids" album, under the pseudonym of "Punky & Porgy" (Hybrid Kids is a fake compilation album, with each track attributed to a fictional band. It sounds like it was influenced by the Residents)80.60.242.12 15:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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Can anyone please provide a primary source for the following quote? "You don't write a song like 'God Save The Queen' because you hate the English race. You write a song like that because you love them, and you're sick of seeing them mistreated." Thanks. HPNYC