Talk:Golden Shield Project

Article hard to follow.

There are many sentences in the article that are fragmented and hard to follow...

- I can't make heads or tails of this in the first paragraph: "It started in 1998, began the process in November of 2003, the first part of the project passed the national inspection on November 16, 2006 in Beijing."

- Under history, these need to be combined so it flows well: "The Golden Shield project was started 1998. The first part of the project lasted three years, completed in 2006. The second part began in 2006. It will be finished in 2008."

- The appositive in this sentence is awkward/out of place: "According to China Central Television (CCTV), up to 2002, the preliminary work of the Golden Shield Project cost US$800 million (equivalent to RMB 6,400 million or €640 million)."

- What does "this" refer to? Also, that period at the end should be inside the quotes: In September 2002, Li Runsen, the technology director at MPS and member of the Golden Shield leadership, further explained this broad definition to thousands of police nationwide at a meeting in Beijing called “Information Technology for China’s Public Security”.

- Most of the technical information bullets start with a fragment. i.e. "IP blocking" is not a complete thought.

NOTE: I had to skip some of this due to time constraints.

- Jumping down to "Solutions," "Hosting Companies" is not a proper now so it shouldn't be capitalized. Also, where is this "list" that is referred to in the same sentence? It's probably better to provide a direct link than to refer someone relative to their current scrolling position. Other services use Wikipedia that don't list anything which makes that statement misleading/irrelevant.

74.33.156.89 12:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

It should be obvious (at least it wouldn't even occur to me otherwise) that there would be a lot of disinformation floating around about a topic such as this. The Chinese gov't can point to this or that and say for example that Tor is accessible and downloadable, and it works, and so forth. But if you actually use Tor, I would suspect, you will find things getting more and more difficult to find on the Internet.

The aim isn't to block all access to "bad" information. It is more one of surveillance and control. It is to make access to bad information so difficult and so much hassle that it just isn't worth it for the average user. The not-so-average user (having gone through all this hassle and difficulty) will find even life off-line getting more and more difficult in various ways, and may very well someday disappear along with the information he/she sought.

Just my 2 cents worth. Disclaimer: I'm not from China, and I would never, ever, travel there under that Communist regime. I will hold tight to those few freedoms that I have left in the good old U.S. of A.

130.94.162.64 23:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

MPS

What is MPS? It's not immediately clear in the introduction. Squideshi 19:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Epochtimes

by putting a newspaper that is such well-known for its rumours making ability here to demonstrate what?

I do found it is very interesting that on every tags or articles that againest CCP, epochtimes always involved to be a vaild information source; however, the problem is, as a newpaper of Fa Lun Gong, can it be objective or not is really a questionable matter.

Ashes 15:23, 18th Sep 2007 (UTC)

Should "Great Firewall" be split from "Golden Shield Project"?

I have seen that in Chinese Wikipedia, "Great Firewall"（防火长城）is split from "Golden Shield Project"（金盾工程）. Then, do anybody think that English Wikipedia should follow Chinese Wikipedia, to split "Great Firewall" and "Golden Shield Project"? QQ 16:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

No, it's all the same thing, filtering internet traffic --Pumpmeup 07:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree from the point of view of user 自由主義者 from Chinese wikipedia, and the following is quoted from Talk:Golden Shield Project:

"Golden Shield Project" has functions about filtering, but I do not agree to merge "Great Firewall" and "Golden Shield Project" because:

• The relationship between the two things is not proven by any reliable source.
• The concepts and contents of the two things are not the same. The announced content of "Golden Shield Project" does not include bidirectional prevention, avoidance and detection in "Great Firewall", but the general concept of "Great Firewall" does not include processing chinese public security affair, involving hotel control, entry-exit control and safety control in "Golden Shield Project".
• "Golden Shield Project" is public, and "Great Firewall" is disclaimed. "Golden Shield Project" is the public network of the Public Security Bureau of China, and "Great Firewall" is just a description of the current status of the network communication in China.
• From the current action of "Great Firewall", the superintendent should be higher than the Public Security Bureau of China, and may be the Politburo of the Communist Party of China. This is not consistent from the public superintentent of the "Golden Shield Project".

The action of English Wikipedia cannot not be proper. Of course, there may have the chance that the function of "Great Firewall" is a part of "Golden Shield Project", but before having any reliable source, the two things should not be merged for preventing the confusion of concepts and contents.

So I suggest that "Great Firewall" should be spilt from "Golden Shield Project". QQ 07:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

The "Great Firewall" is a term people use ironically to describe the whole chinese censhorship situation. "Great firewall" should be the main page, and "Golden Shield Project" should be a subsection.The current article is inacurrate. People do NOT mean "Golden Shield Project" when they refer to the Great Firewall. For example, this recent article on wired refers to the Golden Shield Project as merely one of the pieces of the Great Firewall

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/15-11/ff_chinafirewall
"The Golden Shield — the latest addition to what is widely referred to as the Great Firewall of China — was supposed to monitor, filter, and block sensitive online content. But only a year after completion, it already looks doomed to fail." TheBilly (talk) 01:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Blocking obscenity and pornography

I have resided in China for a few years up until recently and found that there had been no problems accessing either domestic or international sites that were there for the sole purpose of pornography. I am not sure whether this particular point is valid thus. Any objections to classify or remove that particular line? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.43.88.187 (talk) 21:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

- I agree that 'great firewall' and 'golden shield project' are two separate things. The former is used mostly by the western media to refer to internet censorship in China, and the latter is a particular government project. I am creating a 'great firewall' separate page for a class project at Harvard - --Mfregosi (talk) 17:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)