Wikipedia talk:Banning policy

Ban duration

Why should ban be reinitiated for the same period if it's not completely exhausted before the editor resumes? Justice is in that only a period when observance was not effective should added to the length.

So if you were banned for 10 days and you edited on the seventh to the ninth, then you've already sat six days ban and you've done your 10 when you finish day thirteen.

It makes sense to me. It should be changed. How to do??63.243.141.74 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Ha.. what exactly makes you think that people who vandalize enough to get an actual ban give two hoots about not being allowed to edit. The only effective ban is a permanent IP ban. 67.167.120.36 (talk) 05:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee remedy on Community Bans

Regarding the recent Arbitration Committee remedy, I have started a discussion of community bans at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Community Bans. Please discuss there. Mahalo. --Ali'i 17:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Too many 'may's and 'can's to make this policy enforceable

Peter Blaise says: Here's how I experience it:

"...Whoever gets here first and becomes an admin sets the level of emotional maturity and tolerance. Subsequent visitors who make the primary contributors uncomfortable will be banned. That is, the wiki will not grow beyond the imagination and tolerance of the initial admins...."

Ouch!

Click! Love and hugs, Peter Blaise peterblaise (talk) 17:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

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Ouch, indeed. I do sympathise with this, but I hold more hope that over time things will change (both for the better and for the worse). The current culture will always reflect the emotional maturity and tolerance of the most outspoken people, but if enough people speak up, then that can change. Also, people themselves do change. Both those who get banned and those doing the banning can grow up and mature and change. That, in my view, is a primary reason why banning should not be "for life". Even life imprisonment (in the UK) often only means "10 years and then you are eligible for parole". Carcharoth (talk) 14:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Does an indef block become a ban automatically simply by not bringing it to anyone's attention?

There seems to be some disagreement over the status of User:Defender 911. He was blocked on 11 August, and banned two hours later by, curiously, an editor who'd only been here three weeks. There was never any effort to bring this to the attention of the community, so I've reverted the template. People are now saying it's been "discussed" at WP:AN#User:Defender 911, but this is four months after the fact, no diffs or rationale have been provided beyond vague innuendo. Am I wrong for reverting the template here? If a tree falls in the wood etc.? -- Kendrick7^talk 18:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Once anybody plays the "harassment card", all rational discussion goes out the window, and it's all "Burn the Witch!", no actual proof required. *Dan T.* (talk) 18:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I tried to get basically the same conversation started at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Community Bans, but discussion seems to have fizzled out. --Ali'i 18:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll look at this. A ban can always be reviewed, and an inappropriate ban should be lifted as soon as possible. That's without prejudice to whether this particular ban (which at this point I know nothing about and haven't reviewed) was appropriate. --Tony Sidaway 18:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Attempting to gain the personal information about someone after being told to stop over and over is simply trolling, this is a valid block. Reading that WP:AN thread, I see a pretty strong consensus in favor of the ongoing ban. 1 != 2 01:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

It appears that whole drama played itself out within a few hours, so it's not like he persisted for days or weeks in an unreasonable demand. It also seems he was just trying to gain that information by asking people for it (who always said no), not by actually stalking anybody or engaging in sneaky sleuthing. The whole thing seems more like an episode of temporary silliness than an ongoing history of abuse, and a permanent ban seems overblown. *Dan T.* (talk) 02:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Untrue, this user persisted for many days in trying to get this information. 1 != 2 02:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I guess this particular example is a moot point now. However, it might be wise to clarify this policy to prevent these sorts of back-alley bans going forward. -- Kendrick7^talk 05:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Agent008 here,I've been swotting up on the policies and I just curious but;if I was"banned by the Wikipedia community" and listed on Wikipedia:List of banned users,would I still be able to access the website or would not be able to even read an article. PS:I haven't been banned because I am a law abiding citizen and I obey the rules,but I'm just curious.-Agent008

No bureacracy

About the section of "Enforcement by reverting edits". I find the policy seriously flawed.

“ Any edits made in defiance of a ban may be reverted to enforce the ban, regardless of the merits of the edits themselves. ”

What if such edit is so good that it can turn it to the quality of a featured article? It says there that Wikipedians may revert it however good or bad it is since such user is not permitted to make edits to the encyclopedia. Now that is flawed. And I thought that we oppose bureacracy. Reverts should be used to better the encyclopedia, not to enforce bans. -- Felipe Aira 02:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Notice the keyword may. They don't have to be. TJ Spyke 11:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hardbans - do they still exist anymore??

Back in 2005, I remember seeing the word "hardbanned" mentioned here, is it still used now, or is it rarely used to describe users here?? The last time I remember seeing it was in a block log edit summary for Homey (talk · contribs · count · logs · page moves · block log), but rarely anywhere else.

Anyone know if this is true or not?? --Solumeiras ^talk 12:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)