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Mein Großvater Gotthold Trummer geb.1893 über General Maister

wos hast General?? er war nur Major, gestern noch für den Kaiser, heute schon für die Serben ,wo war er den ganzen Krieg lang, in der Kaserne gesessen, dem Kaiser hat er Treue geschworen, und der Kaiser, also wir Österreicher haben ihn gefüttert, gepflegt als er krank war und Apanage gezahlt damit seine Familie leben konnte. So viele gute Menschen haben im Krieg fürchterlich leiden und sterben müssen, grad so a schlechta, falscher- hinterfotziger Mensch bleibt über.

Er war unser Kamerad ,die Serben waren auch seine Feinde, haben ja den Trohnfolger ermordet, er hat bis zuletzt sein Geld vom Kaiser kriegt, hat  deutsch gesprochen, auf einmal läuft er mit dem Serben Kappl herum a serbische Uniform an
mit Orden und versteht und spricht ka Deutsch mehr ,er hasst uns, ja er lasst auf seine Kameraden schießen,  ja  sogar auf unbewaffnete Leute die nur auf die Entente Kommission warten und nix getan haben. Er hat sie erschießen lassen 10-20 Leit,   a  Mörder !!!
Gott sei im gnädig ......i..  vergib ihm net !

Ich hätt den Herrn General Maista noch ein langes Leben gewünscht. Er ist ja schon bald gestorben. Den Hitler hätte er noch erleben sollen ,wie die Deutschen einmarschiert sind in Jugoslavien, wie sie verhaftet ,gefoltert und verschleppt haben, genau so wie der Maister. Die Gestapo wer mit ihm abgefahren, ab ins KZ oder gleich erschossen, damit er einmal gesehen hätte wie es ist wenn man erschossen wird. Weil andere Leute erschießen ist für solche Menschen leichtert als wie wenn sie selber erschossen werden.

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Why do you not write in English? Of course was Maister a K.u.K. Major, but awarded a rank of a General by the National Council for (Slovenian) Styria on November 1, 1918. And this Council has been a competent body of a newly formed State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs, just as the Republic of Austria happened to be a newborn country those days. And of course, he was not with the Serbs at the beginning, but only later since the December 1, 1918 when the new Kingdom of SHS formed. Your Grandfather was just a man with a prejudice. Why would Maister be loyal to an Emperor when the whole country fallen apart? Why did not the Austrian officers stayed loyal to Habsburgs and defended them against the republicans in Vienna who striped them off their crown? Did they forget their oath? Or was it just a pretext for Germans to lay hand on present-day territories of Republic of Slovenia? As far as I see, you and your Grandfather are just Nazi lovers. He was probably one of those who preparing lists of Slovenian patriots between the first and the second WW to be arrested and killed in KZ or with other bestial methods. You reap what you sow! --Slovenin 15:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Soldiers shooting civilians in self-defence? For patriotic reasons? What really did happen? 85.178.179.118 (talk) 13:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Civilians?

Well, if you read the text, then you see that there were not only civilians in the mob, but also members of the Green Guard (German paramilitary organization). They have provoked the incident. --Slovenin (talk) 10:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hm... the passage would be more convincing if it had some reliable sources. What about Maks Pohar? A soldier? A demonstrator? Where can we find his statement and cite it in the article? The number of demonstrators (10,000? less? more?) and soldiers is not mentioned. Even the number of victims seems unclear: seven, nine (including a woman and a child, maybe propaganda?) or thirteen? If Green Guard is Schutzwehr, hadn't they been disarmed by Maister's troops on Nov. 23, 1918? Which certainly does not mean, that they were able to gather every single weapon in and around Maribor. Internet checking brings up heavily POV-stuff on this issue - don't know why, Maister negotiating with Miles was not present and couldn't have ordered the shooting. Perhaps "worse than a crime, a mistake" (Joseph Fouché), as the incident may have strengthened Austria's position. Anyway, the term "Ethnic Germans" reveals the tragedy: weren't nearly all Styrians, in spite of their language, of Slovene origin? 85.178.139.177 (talk) 13:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]