Talk:Abenaki

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Clarity

This sentence, from the second paragraph makes no sense:

Note, however, that the tribes of the Five Nations in what is now New York State, were linguistically segregated from the other Algonquian tribes in the northeast, such as the Mohawk, Monhegan, Onondaga, and Iroquois.

The Five Nations, aka the Iroquois were the Seneca, Onondaga, Oneida, Cayuga and Mohawks. The article is mixing apples and grapes. Mohawks and Onondagas were Iroquois. Also there were no such people as the "Monhegan" in this area. There were Mahicans and Mohegans. Some research and work on this is clearly needed. Meanwhile, I will remove it from the article. Sunray 04:17, 2005 Jun 7 (UTC)

Additionally, I think the page could profit from an expansion of the 20th century history of the Abenakis. I have also done a lot of work with the language and will be adding a short summation of the recent history and current situation of that. JesseBeach 18:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wabanaki not Abenaki

References I have seen ( http://www.native-languages.org/wabanaki.htm and http://www.abenakination.org/history.html ) indicate that the Abenaki are one of several tribes that together are referred to as Wabanaki. In that case, shouldn't the redirect from Wabanaki be removed and a separate page be created? Wseltzer 19:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I was looking at the article and was noticing how Abenaki, Mi'kmaq and Maliseet words are jumbled together and realised that the article is getting Wabanaki peoples (the larger collective that also includes the Penobscots and the Passamaquoddys to the mentioned three) to form the Wabanaki Confederacy with the specific tribe, the Abenaki peoples. CJLippert 06:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Western Abenaki, Eastern Abenaki

hi. this article obviously treats the Western Abenaki and the Eastern Abenaki as if they were the same group. they are not and speak different languages. – ishwar (speak) 22:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Western Abenakis become the main Abenaki Tribe, while the Eastern Abenakis become the Penobscot. In this article, as long as the two are made clear with more of the focus on the Western Abenaki, I think it would be fine. However, the bigger problem with this article is how it confuses "Abenaki" with "Wabanaki" and muddles the article with discussions regarding the Mi'kmaq, Maliseet and Passamaquoddy. I have put together a stub-article on the Wabanaki Confederacy and made the Wabanaki redirect page be a disambiguation page. Hopefully, those two pages will begin the path of untagling this article into shape. CJLippert 17:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sentences removed

I have removed the following sentences because of their biased tone. (It's possible they're from a contemporary source and belong in quotation marks, but no source was cited.)

Text removed:

They remained unalterably attached to the Faith, and during the Revolution, when Washington sent to ask them to join with the colonies against England, they assented on condition that a Catholic priest should be sent to them. Some of the chaplains of the French fleet communicated with them, promising to comply with their request, but beyond that nothing was done.

Map

I think it would be nice to have a map of where the Abenaki lived, but I have no idea how to make one. A good resource for where they live is this article itself, and this site. Good luck to whoever makes it! íslenskur fel lib ylur #12 _(samtal) 17:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sentences and Questions

They took sides with the French and maintained an increasing hostility against encroachments of the English. When? Why? As part of what historical event? This sentence has no context. How did the French recruit their help? What kind of encroachments of the English?

This section says nothing of the skirmishes—there had to be some kind hostility.

When their principal town, Norridgewock, was taken, and their missionary, Rasle, was killed (1724), the greater part of them emigrated to St. Francis in the province of Quebec, Canada, where other refugees from the New England tribes had preceded them. Who took their town? Why? How was it taken?

The third paragraph is confusing because it describes a planned colony and work without any indication of what they are! It is as if these paragraphs have been extracted from their contexts, and together seem to describe nebulous events.

The article has a link to Abenaki mythology but no section for it. It says little about the culture; how they dressed; the government and power hierarchy; what weapons they had; what they ate; how they are related to other tribes; and so on.

subsequent isolation of each small remnant of the greater whole onto reservations during and after the French and Indian War well before the US government began acknowledging the sovereignty of native tribes in the late twentieth century. Again this describes something without any background. Rintrah 13:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for copyediting portions of the article, and thank you for noting these problems. I will fix them when I rewrite the history section, which most of these are part of, as I have not done that section yet. íslenskur fel lib ylur #12 _(samtal) 22:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. I am pleased to hear the article is being improved. I will come back later to read the result — I am curious about this tribe now. Rintrah 07:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

The man in the photograph is wearing regalia from the Plains tribes, not Abenaki. The Abenaki did not wear bone breast plates or deer roaches on their heads. They dressed with turkey feathers and deerskin leggings.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.62.203.19 (talk • contribs).

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Article seems to have been vandalized...anyone notice? Can you fix it? I don't know enough about Abenaki to know the depth of the damage.