Talk:The Undertaker

Curtailing nickname list

In an effort to curtail nickname lists, and clean up the ridiculous length of this article, I am reccomending the following changes... Keep The Phenom, The Deadman, and 'Taker bold as they are currently used and most common. Keep The American Bad Ass and Big Evil, unbolded, as they are out of date or rarely used anymore. remove, Grim Reaper and Reaper, without sourcing, I really can't ever really remember that as a nickname. Remove Booger Red, even though it is sourced, it is a 1 time comment, and is not a true nickname, its more an issue of trivia, and should probably be removed. However, it might make for interesting extra info in the prose. Remove Red Devil, Demon of Death Valley and Lord of Darkness, no mention in article and no sourcing.

Any comments?LessThanClippers (talk) 23:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. Tomorrow, I plan to close the above Merge proposal and move them all to the Personas of The Undertaker article anyway. That'll cut down on length. Nikki311 00:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Booger Red was used for a short while after Wrestlemania X8, not just once from what I've been able to gather. It is, however, notable, because it is a nickname that management asked to be removed. I think it would be censorship to remove it. It is a sourced nickname, why would we change our rules on sourcing nicknames as soon as we started? --EnhancedDownloadBird ^(Upload) - 00:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The question wasn't sourcing, it was notability. If it only lasted a very short time, then it probably isn't that notable. However, now with a little more understanding, I do find it notable. I also think, however, that addidng this information to the prose would be helpful.LessThanClippers (talk) 00:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Sourcing

Just a quick note about sourcing: youtube can't be used as a source because of copyright issues. Also, when adding citations, it is best to use a citation template. Nikki311 02:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, my mistake, I made two sets of edits with Youtube. How do we distinguish between what's still under copyright though? These are defunct promotions, couldn't they be free use now? --EnhancedDownloadBird ^(Upload) - 03:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not certain. Perhaps posting a quick message at WPT:PW would be best to answer that question. It's been mentioned there a couple of times, so I know at least a couple of people 100% know the rules on youtube and copyrights. Nikki311 13:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

If it once was copyright, it will remain copyright untill it is released under a free licence, or expires into the public domain which is in a very long time (I think 100 years after the death of the creator, but even if it's 50 years, the answer is "way too long"). Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Spivey and Skyscrapers

This page lists Undertaker teaming with Spivey in the WCW days and going by the name The Skyscrapers. Spivey's page lists The Skyscrapers as Spivey and Sid Vicious. With neither being sourced, was wondering if anyone had any of this info. I can research it once I get home (have limited internet at the office)LessThanClippers (talk) 22:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The actual Skyscrapers article notes it in several places that UT replaced Vicious after an injury; he competed in a PPV match against the Road Warriors. When Spivey suddenly left WCW, he was in turn replaced by a masked Mike Enos, but the team disbanded shortly after when Calaway went to singles and after Lex Luger's US Title.Enigmatic2k3 (talk) 06:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks....LessThanClippers (talk) 18:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

WCW and Early Career Sections

I doubt there is much mroe info out there. Should we remove the expansion tags? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LessThanClippers (talk • contribs) 22:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

2008

Does 2008 really need its own section at this time. IO don't see a signifigant change in his persona/path, so I would rather incorporate this into 2006-2008 until such time it is necessary. Thoughts?LessThanClippers (talk) 01:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Undertaker - WCW years

While Dangerous Danny Spivey was a member of The Skyscrapers, the greatesy level of success came when it was Mean Mark and Sid Vicious. I can't give specifics - but I do recall that they were my favorite tag team at that time (surpassing Road Warriors - which was a major accomplishment) - and won the Belt at least once. Sorry to embellish - but this profile of The Skyscrapers could not be devoid of Sid Vicious. Upward (talk) 04:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)upward and he was a freak of nature —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.170.145 (talk) 07:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Spolier Alert: Does anyone know the name of the modified triangle choke he did???

Does anyone know the name of the choke The Undertaker put on Big Daddy V on Smackdown. If you do can someone add it to his finishers list. Fresh Prince Carlton (talk) 16:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Please do not add it to the list of finishers. Using a move 1 time does not make it a signature move. LessThanClippers (talk) 17:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

We'll probably find out next week or the week after what it actually was. It'll probably be something he ends up using on the big guys or something. Arrowny (talk) 19:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it was a desperation modified triangle chokethat was a one-time use to give Undertaker the duke. If he uses it tonight in the tag match, then maybe we can consider including it. Otherwise, no. Lemon Demon (talk) 18:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The move was a modified Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu hold called the Gogoplata. I added it to his finishers, since he used it tonight after chokeslamming Mark Henry during the tag match, instead of just going for the pin, which suggests that it's going to be a permanent part of his arsenal. Hope it's all right. :) SanjuroHayashida (talk) 03:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a signature move, not a finisher. Cheers, LAX 04:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Although I kinda disagree, since WWE.com was hyping it as "a mysterious new finisher that took down the 500-pound mastadon and left him bleeding", it should be left as a signature move for now. If he finishes a couple more matches with it, I really think it should be added as a finisher. SanjuroHayashida (talk) 14:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hm, tough one. I suggest we wait a little while. It is looking more likely to be his next signature/finishing move. Oh, and keep a tally of how many times it's used. Now it's at 2. Lemon Demon (talk) 01:36, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

My guess is he will start using it for his larger opponents since he tends to wrestle giants a lot. He's pretty strong as it is, but its gotta be hard to do the tombstone and last ride on 400 to 500 lb guys, especially since hes not a young guy anymore68.164.85.197 (talk) 05:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

He used it on Edge at Wrestlemania XXIV to win the World Heavyweight Championship for a second time. //\\ AirbusA346 //\\ (talk) 10:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

He also has used it on Matt Stryker before. Armedhamster (talk) 06:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The new chokehold is a gogoplata —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.212.70.122 (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Request edit

2007-2008 section, second paragraph:

On the January 4, 2008 Edition of SmackDown! The Undertaker competed in a Beat the Clock challenge for the number one contention for the World Heavyweight Championship at the Royal Rumble against Mark Henry with Matt Striker as the Special Guest Referee The Undertaker had 6 Minutes and 2 Seconds to beat Mark Henry with 15 Seconds left on the clock The Undertaker performed a chokeslam and Striker began the count and stopped before the 3-count was completed and ran out The Undertakers time and removed his chances at competing for the World Heavyweight Championship.

As you can see, it's very poorly written. I'd rewrite it myself so that it wasn't some gigantic, endless mess of words, but the article is protected, and I don't have an account. 67.142.130.42 (talk) 05:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Bloody hell, that was horribly written. I've cleaned it up and fixed and added wikilinks as well. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 15:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Jeez, pause for breath! Thanks for editing that mass of words! Lemon Demon (talk) 01:33, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

WWF Debut

He is incorrectly listed as "Kane the Underatker, it was Cain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.44.9 (talk) 22:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Which move was it?

Before we get into an edit war over this, we should try and establish which move it is: Gogoplata or modified Triangle Choke? P.S. Leave Triangle Choke as a signature move as he does not finish his matches with it (including Big Daddy V and Mark Henry), this move was different. Lemon Demon (talk) 02:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a gogoplata. If you look at the article, you'll see very many similarities between that and the move the Undertaker is using, maybe with one or two minor modifications with how it's applied. Not only that, this video on Google Video of the gogoplata also shows the similarities. SanjuroHayashida (talk) 16:33, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Death of undertaker

  undert5aker died of a steroid overdose in phoenix, Az 

Gogoplata put the gogoplata back as as a Signature or finishing move. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee it is not a triangle choke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliver3 (talk • contribs) 13:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Re-added Gogoplata as a finisher, but kept triangle choke as he has used this before. Lemon Demon (talk) 02:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC) "Hope somebody understood that - Ed"

request move

I'd like to request a move for this article so the title corresponds with the subject's true name, Mark William Calaway, and use The Undertaker as a redirect. This seems more reasonable to me. <3 bunny 03:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

It should stay at The Undertaker, per WP:NAME. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 04:15, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Nickname

Isn't one of his nicknames "The Phenom" they keep calling him it Bam123456789 (talk) 20:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:39, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Is that still relevent on here? Bam123456789 (talk) 16:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is, just a clue in Wiki is not a forum for general discussion ;) NimiTize 16:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Week by week

I was just reading Calaway's career biography, and it's littered with week-by-week info. Someone should clean it up and leave only the most important information, as Calaway's career is long enough as it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstebbins (talk • contribs) 01:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

double chokeslam

Just finished watching Smackdown and saw Taker do a double chokeslam on Hawkins and Ryder. Was wondering if he has ever done it before and if not it might be worth mentioning. He has tried to do it quite often but I don't think I remember him ever actually succeeding before68.164.85.197 (talk) 05:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC) callum sturt

Why Is Gogoplata before tombstone

Before anything, everyone knows tombstone is undertakers best finisher. It is also his number 1 finisher before gogoplata, which should actually be called the "Death Valley Vice." And gogoplata is a semi-regular finisher for the undertaker whilst tombstone is his number 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raj157 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not listed by which finisher is "best". And he's used the Gogoplata more oftenly than the Tombstone to finish recently. --Kaizer13 (talk) 22:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

he did an double choke slam with his brother and to his brother and there was also the time last week the borthers of destruction did it to chavo and edge

by double chokeslam I meant the Undertaker chokeslammed 2 people at once by himself. When has he ever successfully done that before?68.164.85.197 (talk) 03:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Royal rumble Streak

Undertaker won 7 Royal Rumbles in a row between 1997 and 2003. He has beaten the recored for Royal Rumble wins by 5 (Stone Cold Steve Austin with 3)

Whats your point? Also, please sign your posts! iMatthew 2008 20:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

What? Taker won a SINGLE RR - 2007. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Taker has won only ONE Royal Rumble 30-Man Battle Royal; Stone Cold holds the record for most wins of that certain match with three. User:deeds619 30 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.68.181.138 (talk)

Table

Why is the table so horrible? WrestleMania streak one. You can't even read that shit.

RandySavageFTW (talk) 04:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, should his WrestleMania streak really be listed under WWE awards? There's people with 1-0 streaks, and they're not listed. Sure, it's small, but by the logic of this article having it, others can, too.

RandySavageFTW (talk) 04:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the Undetaker's streak is unique, and no other wrestler has such a streak, it is always mentioned now in the run up to WM. It does not mean that other wrestlers will have streaks listed. Darrenhusted (talk) 11:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The comment part of the table looks so bad.

RandySavageFTW (talk) 16:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Accomplishments

Undertaker is the only Superstar to win both the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania (WWE Title at WrestleMania 13 and WWE WrestleMania 23) He's the only superstar to win the World Heavyweight Championship at two WrestleMania's and 363 days apart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.187.54 (talk) 00:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Interesting tidbit, but that's all it is. It's certainly not worth adding to the C&A section of the article.Odin's Beard (talk) 21:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Gogoplata

While the undertaker may use the gogoplata as his finishing move now, shouldn't we call it by the name that WWE uses, the "That submission maneuver". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.167.200.173 (talk) 01:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

The WWE commentators know what the move actually is, but they feign ignorance as part of getting the Undertaker over. The commentators go on about the evolution of the Undertaker. They'll talk about his leaner physical build and moves and offense that he hasn't used before like the triangle choke and the gogoplata and all that. Also, simply calling it "That submission maneuver" is kind of silly. If I were skimming over the article and saw that in there, I'd think it was vandalism.Odin's Beard (talk) 21:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

It might be worth noting somewhere that it's unnamed on the show - 3pointswish (talk) 01:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

World Heavyweight Title wins.

Isn't Taker one of, if not the only person in the WWE, to win the same major title twice at two consecutive Wrestlemaina's? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Armedhamster (talk • contribs) 06:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Probably, but it's not really very notable. It's trivia, not a major accomplishment.Odin's Beard (talk) 15:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

There has been one other: Steve Austin. But still not notable.LifeStroke420 (talk) 15:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Until, or rather if ever WWE names the accomplishment something, like "Double Dip Champion" or whatever, I say no. --Kaizer13 (talk) 16:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Just a small mistake

In the Brothers of Destruction reunion (2006–2007) section, it says that Undertaker defeated Kennedy at Survivor Series 2006 but it was the other way around.

81.145.242.116 (talk) 21:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Taken care of. –LAX 01:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)