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Pashtuns are NOT found in India =
I have noticed that the article implies that they're are pashtun peoples living in india which is completely false. Pashtuns are not found in modern day india. Also, the article fails to properly explain that the census that stated that pashtuns lived in india was during the times of the British empire, during British INdia in the regions which now constitute Pakistan. WIthin the Pashtun communities of Pakistan/Afghanistan, there is much concern for the number of fake Pashtuns/ or pathan claimants from india that look nothing like them, nor speak their language, nor have any cultural, ethnic similarities to them. They claim a pashtun heritage for the sole sake of improving their social position within society and often concoct make believe progenitors, a side effect of the rampant caste system prevailant in india. DNA analysis has proven that they are not Pashtun in any manner or form, and may have been converted by Pashtun rulers to Islam from hinduism, jainism and simply adopted the names of the converter, a common practice in india today. Also, the article states that there are many Afghan refugees living in india as defined by the UN, the majority of whom have now left india for Afghanistan, Pakistan, or settled aborad, furthermore, most of these refugees were Persian speaking members or affiliates of the Northern Alliance as that group was often financed and funded by india in the 90's and there were no significant Pashtun populations within these refugees who by and large settled in Pakistan and parts of Iran. Please make the article more factual and correct this erroneous entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.63.161.16 (talk) 16:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Some of the references no longer valid
Hi, I came across this article and I realized some of the references do not exist on the web anymore. In particular references starting with "http://www.zharov.com/dupree/" are gone. I was contemplating taking the references out but it looks like a user with the name "dupree" has been editing this article. Could he/she or anyone else update these references? --Ubardak (talk) 04:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Move subsection Putative ancestry to section History and origins
I think the subsection Putative ancestry fits better under section History and origins than under section Pashtuns defined where it is now. The material is more like that in the history section, while the definitions section should be kept more homogenious. What are the thoughts about this? -Pgan002 (talk) 09:43, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- The inclusion of the putative ancestry section was somewhat controversial to begin with. There's nothing like it in most encyclopedias which will, at most, mention that Pashtuns have moved to other places and were absorbed into various populations as in India and Iran etc. It's also not meant to be historical so much as anthropological and somewhat of a tangent and thus seemed to go best in that section. Since we're talking about groups like the Hindkowans and Persian-speaking Pashtuns, these groups do show links to the Pashtuns, but there's no real history lesson there and their origins are explained in other articles. The history and origins section is a bit crowded as it is as well which could present a problem in terms of placement. Some things to consider. Cheers. Tombseye (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
No more Ethnologue please
It is an evangelical site and lists highly unreliable data that is difficult to verify (if at all). This is a featured article so just adding anything and everything is not acceptable. Tombseye (talk) 18:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
- I've removed it for now until a consensus is reached. My understanding is that there were several conflicts in the past on various articles due to Ethnologue. Critics say that SIL does not abide by the consensus among other linguists. However, I agree with Anupam that Ethnologue is used widely on Wikipedia as source. This matter should probably be brought up on Wikipedia:WikiProject Linguistics (if it hasn't already). But for the time being I've removing the Ethnologue sources until a compromise is decided. We should probably start off by comparing Ethnologue to other sources and determine which numbers are fringe theories and which numbers reflect the mainstream of scholars. Khoikhoi 20:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Ethnologue is a reliable source. Noor Aalam (talk) 01:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Why? And why aren't their figures found elsewhere in many cases? 161,000 Azeris in Armenia?! Did they take their own independent census? Is this the kind of sloppy work people want, that is speculative at best? Tombseye (talk) 16:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Pashtun genes
what is the Pashtun genes ? Haplogroup F —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.132.36.121 (talk) 05:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)