Talk:Indestructible (Disturbed album)

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"Divide" In Confirmed Tracks

Recently, someone has added the song "Divide" to the list of confirmed tracks... what is the source for this song? I've only heard about it once before, and it was on an early list of songs on M.O.L. (you have to look carefully)... Dan (talk) 02:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, now it's been referenced. Dan (talk) 16:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Discussing possible songs

Please discuss the list of songs rather than adding and removing it constantly. I've requested temporary page protection in line with this. ~Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 19:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Alright, seems like a better idea. I don't see why it keeps on getting removed, anyway. Dan (talk) 20:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Well one thing I'm noticing is that the list in its present state doesn't seem to have a source, without that it's very difficult to argue for its inclusion. Do you know of such a source? ~Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 20:32, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The list is merely reiterating which songs are confirmed to appear on the album, all of which are stated in the main article. They are sourced through the main article from many interviews David Draiman has given. It makes it easier to see all the songs put in one place rather than to re-read the entire article. Dan (talk) 06:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Then add the same sources to the items on the list and its problem solved. ~Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 08:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Not to be argumentative, but why is this necessary if they are already sourced through the article (indeed, right above the list)? Dan (talk) 16:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Simple, annon IPs are deleting the list because they haven't read the article, and therefore don't notice the references, they then delete it thinking it is speculation, repeating the references will bring the reference in to focus, and stop the removal of the list. ~Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 17:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Since when does wikipedia compromise its contents due to anonymous users? All the songs are referenced through 2 sources anyways, but I think adding a reference next to "confirmed tracks" would be sufficient. I saw that there was one, but someone seems to have removed it. Dan (talk) 01:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

where does it say anything anywhere about the song divide being included? i see a source for the other song titles but the only thing it says anywhere about divide is that there are rumors that the track will be included. last time i checked unsourced rumors aren't supposed to be on wikipedia.69.212.157.72 (talk) 03:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

That probably should have gone under the other heading I've made, but whatever. So far, all I've seen about the song "Divide" is from a user named Ravensclaw2 on youtube, and so far he's been up to par with everything Disturbed (in fact, he's widely responsibly for distributing the bonus tracks from TTF on the internet). Obviously, not a reliable source, but I am quite sure something will surface soon enough telling about the fates of both "Criminal" and "Divide". For now, we should just slap a "citation needed" tag on it then wait a little. Dan (talk) 04:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, also on the topic of Ravensclaw2, a user named TheDarkLordWesley221 posted a comment on his Youtube page stating he talked with David Draiman about both "Criminal" and "Divide" and he said there is a chance one of the songs might make the album and both songs will probably be released this year or next year as singles, bonus tracks,etc. Whether this is legitimate enough or not, I don't know. LonghornDude08 (talk) 16:06, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I also saw that comment... I'd say it's legitimate, what have they got to gain by lying? Also, they've been pretty reputable so far. Unfortunately, we can't confirm anything just yet because Disturbed seems to keep quite secretive around the time of the newest albums' releases. Dan (talk) 17:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, I'm not to keen that this article should be relying on hearsay to develop, but I suppose its to be expected that it should have a slightly speculative feel before the fact. I really don't see this article going much further until the albums is actually in stores (for Dans reason above), but we still gotta comply that all information must be referenced properly... ~Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 18:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Not to be a pain, I mean I like the idea of all the songs being listed in the same place, but there are no indications of any tracks being "confirmed". I vote we change it from "Confirmed Tracks" to something like "Possible Tracks" until time persists and Disturbed actually releases a true list of songs. That way all the people who want "Criminal" and "Divide" to be listed will be happy, and those who say those songs probably wont make it will be also be happy.LonghornDude08 (talk) 00:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Alright, good idea, I'll go ahead and do what you said. Dan (talk) 01:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

No problems with that here. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 01:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Not this again. Who removed the list and why? Dan (talk) 14:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

What list... Wikipedia is being gay, andd whenever I edit the article, all I can see is from the beginning up to the point where I edited it...LonghornDude08 (talk) 01:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, not sure what your problem is, but the list I am referring to is mentioned in detail above. Dan (talk) 01:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, good, it's back. Also, if anyone is wondering, the reference for Perfect Insanity this Friday is on their myspace page... Dan (talk) 00:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

How is the length of "Midlife Crisis" known? It hasn't even been officially confirmed yet.LonghornDude08 (talk) 03:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's been leaked on youtube... there's a bit of debate about if it's really Disturbed or not, but it sure sounds like them (listen with some headphones and pay careful attention to the vocals, really sounds like Draiman). If you want to hear it, go to YouTube and search "Midlife Crisis Disturbed". If you want to download it, go to www.myspace.com/originaldisturbedfan ...Dan (talk) 23:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Ya, I know all about that, in fact I posted the second video with that same exact song. It's not from Indestructible, It's an old cover they did way back in the Sickness days.LonghornDude08 (talk) 04:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I knew that bass guitar sounded more like Fuzz than Moyer... well, I'm not sure then. Perhaps we should add that into the article, that they covered the song back in ~2000? Dan (talk) 04:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Reference for Façade

I don't feel like editing the article, but here's the reference for that new song Façade... http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/news/article/0,,4594154,00.html Dan (talk) 06:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Midlife Crisis

I'm going to put this straight hopefully once and for all... The version on Youtube is a cover they did back before they did The Sickness, for a Faith No More tribute album... The track has NOT been released to anywhere!!!LonghornDude08 (talk) 23:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Intro

I made a grammatical fix to the intro earlier, but a new thought has occured to me now, if the album is set for June 3rd, is it really logical that the band are still in the writing/recording phase? ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 20:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not; now they're just building up anticipation for the release and doing marketing... It'd odd that they haven't released the album art yet though, isn't it? Dan (talk) 20:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

If I remember correctly Ten Thousand Fists album art took a while to be released too (although the image of the Disturbed One was release very early on). I'll have a look for a reference stating they're defiantly in the marketing phase. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 20:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

How about this http://metalnews.typepad.com/themetalreport/2008/01/disturbed-relea.html. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 20:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Seems good. Dan (talk) 22:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it's about time we clean up all the old stuff on the article, like things that are confirmed or really old because reading it is starting to become a little confusing. LonghornDude08 (talk) 02:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection?

I'm beginning to become slightly annoyed by the constant editing done to this article without merit. Most recently, someone attempted (and failed) to have this page show every Disturbed album in the infobox.

I'd like to request semi-protection until the album's release, June 3rd.

Razer922 (talk) 21:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

There's definitely not enough vandalism to protect the page, especially until June 3. Usually page protection lasts from a few days to a month, depending on the level of vandalism. There's just not enough here to have it protected. Timmeh! 22:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

With regards to the request filed at WP:RFPP: Declined – There is not enough recent disruptive activity to justify protection at this time. As Timmeh states, the vandalism is nowhere near the levels normally required to warrent page protection. Sorry, _TalkIslander 22:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I am the creator of this article. Should I be taking control over this and waztching out for vandalism as creator? Nardulli22 (talk) 01:18, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Being the creator of an article infers no extra rights or responsibility's, however help with fighting vandalism never goes amiss. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 21:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow

I remember when I first created this page as "Disturbed's 4th Studio Album". Amazing how much it has grown. Nardulli22 (talk) 01:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

B-Sides

There were fifteen songs recorded for the Indestructible album. The twelve on the album and "Run", "Midlife Crisis" and finally "This Moment". I know for a fact that "This Moment" is a b-side b/c I was at a Disturbed concert on May 2nd, and the band stated before they played the song "This is a b-side from Indestructible. It was on the Transformers soundtrack." So I vote that it should be added to the list of b-sides. Nineinchsin (talk) 17:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Couple things; This Moment was recorded before the other songs from Indestructible, and now with Parasite that makes 15 songs recorded, and the three bonus ones being Run, Midlife Crisis, and Parasite. Dan (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Still doesn't change the lead singer stated to a crowd of people from Springfield, MO that "This Moment" was a b-side. Besides, how do you know it was recorded before the other songs. They could have been recording since early last year. Or before, I mean it has been three years since Ten Thousand Fists. Also, how do we know 'Parasite' wasn't recorded after the end of the 'indestructible sessions'. Maybe we shouldn't list them as b-sides, but as additional tracks. Nineinchsin (talk) 17:26, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Because it was released on the Transformers soundtrack which was last summer. They didn't mix the tracks from the Indestructible session until January of this year. Which would mean they went into the studio while they were writing to record "This Moment" before they were in the studio during the fall/winter to record Indestructible. I mean, there were news posts on the Disturbed website that said when they went into the studio to record the new album. Of course David is going to call it a b-side. What else is he going to say? "Hey this is a song we wrote for the transformers soundtrack." That's just dumb. And going back into the studio to record a b-side just to put on the "Inside the Fire" single is just idiotic. They already had some b-sides left over from the recording session so why would they not use one of them? David specifically said they recorded 15 songs during the Indestructible session. the 12 on the standard album "Run" that is on the limited edition, "Midlife Crisis" which david confirmed in an interview and "Parasite" which is on the "Inside the Fire" single, that's 15 tracks.hav0xx (talk) 17:40, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Parasite

The newest BSide. Yes, I know there's lots of speculation that it's a BSide to Indestructible (In fact, it is). But, Wikipedia is reference-based. We can't post information that is purely speculation, unless you have the facts written somewhere, don't edit this. Look at Criminal, it was supposedly a B Side to Ten Thousand Fists. Yet they never released it, re-recorded it, and put it in Indestructible. How do you know they won't do that with Parasite? My point is, don't post this unless it's either A) Already released, or B) Announced officially. Dude527 (talk) 23:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

There's clips of the song on various websites, including: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpfwyL3sg70 and http://www.nuclearblast-musicshop.de/album_info.php?album_id=524986782 ... I believe that's enough proof... Dan (talk) 02:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. "Criminal" was a Ten Thousand Fists b-side that was later re-recorded. It doesn't matter that it wasn't released at the time or the original recording wasn't released, the point is it was a song the band recorded that didn't make the album. "Parasite" clearly didn't make the album, but even if it was never released or it was re-recorded for a later album, again the point is it was a song recorded during the Indestructible sessions that didn't make the album. But that isn't exactly the case since it's going to be featured on the "Inside the Fire" single. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 02:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but my point is sometimes things just don't make it on. For all we know, Parasite could still fail to appear on the single, that's why I think we should wait to put it up until it is released, just to be certain. Oh, and YouTube videos are hardly convincing evidence, considering anybody can put videos on YouTube. Oh well, I can't wait for this song anyways, I'm going to try and find some more information about it. If I find anything, I'll reference. How do we know this was recorded during the Indestructible sessions anyways though? Can I get a reference for that? Or are we just speculating? Dude527 (talk) 22:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

See now that is a good point. But all this time you've been saying it has to be released to be considered a b-side, which isn't true. If a song was recorded for an album but didn't make the track listing, whether it's released later on or it's never to be heard by the public, it's still a b-side by terminology. But you're right about no source saying it's specifically an Indestructible b-side, so okay it stays off the list until then. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 01:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

No, my point was that there was no references for the song, at all. It was mysteriously listed there and I couldn't find anything on Google. So, yeah, I think I was just misunderstood, miscommunication ftw... Anyways, if I find any information on it, that's a reliable source, I will post Dude527 (talk) 23:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

There is no reason to doubt that "Parasite" is not from the Indestructible session. We have no idea if "Run" was from the indestructible session either and yet it is accepted. 1/2 of the stuff on wikipedia is not referenced. So if you're not going to go through and find every single sentence that isn't referenced in every article, stop fighting this one. If you can prove that it is NOT from the Indestructible session then by all means remove it. All information we have about this song points to it being a newly written/recorded song. It is on the "Inside the Fire" single, which is an "Indestructible" track. David has confirmed that there were 15 songs recorded, all of which are accounted for if you count "Parasite". There are no remaining b-sides from "The Sickness", the entire list of songs was revealed on the MOL DVD, including "Divide". Disturbed has never said that there are any more b-sides from "Believe" and all b-sides from "Ten Thousand Fists" have been accounted for ("Criminal" is on "Indestructible"). Until you have information proving that there is a b-side that is not accounted for then leave it alone. hav0xx (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Then wait for there to be proof. We can't simply post something because of fan speculation, we need hard evidence, for track listing, it wouldn't matter so much if it was in the development section or something, but we need to get the track listing right. We know Run is a b-side because it's listed directly on the official website. There is nothing about Parasite there, though. There are 3 b-sides on Indestructible, and it was actually announced that This Moment was one. I don't remember where I found that, but I saw it. The point is, although we don't have any proof it's NOT on Indestructible, we don't have any proof that it is either, therefore, it does not belong here. It could be just a random song recorded for something other then a studio album, and released with this Single package to make people buy it; Korn does that a lot. Find me some solid evidence, then I will allow you to post it, but if you can't then don't post it. Read the Wikipedia rules, things MUST have proof on here, we cannot simply go by speculation. If you refuse to comply, I will get this article protected, as you are breaking Wikipedia rules and vandalising an article. I know you're trying to help, but a track listing on a website, is not compelling evidence. Dude527 (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I'll be going through this article and deleting EVERYTHING that doesn't have a source directly related to it. hav0xx (talk) 01:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Leaks

If any leaks for this album come, before June 3rd, I'm going to say this now, do not post that the album has been leaked. This happened to Korn's Untitled, and it definitely decreased sales, because people started searching for the leaks. Dude527 (talk) 23:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia of events that happen, and there is no proof that this website made a major impact on their album. When it leaks, I'll make sure the info is on this page. Nickoladze (talk) 02:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Protection Request

I requested protection for this article, on the grounds that too many random IPs (And also many users) are editing in the song "Parasite" in B-sides, without references, besides a pre-order form of the CD that the song is on. They have no proof it belongs to this album at all, therefore I'm requesting protection until proof shows up. Dude527 (talk) 21:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)