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Wikipedia traffic page

Hi. The tool only works till May 2008. Is that correct ? 88.207.137.252 (talk) 18:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deadline seems to hav passed without destruction, so maybe I'll point out a little bug. It registered 50k for one page in may, but the graph only went to 3k. IOW, the graph was off by ten times. The relative sense was probably correct, but numbers on the bars...DELETE THEM, because they don't fit...just give us the maxiumum of all months displayed. BrewJay (talk) 07:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Need the Potentia Media page back. I am trying to make it what it was listed as

11:11, 30 December 2007 Henrik (Talk | contribs) deleted "Potentia Media" ‎ (It is blatant advertising for a company, product, group, service or person that would require a substantial rewrite in order to become an encyclopedia article. (CSD G11))

Need the Potentia Media page back. I am trying to make it what it was listed as. A bit of help for Charity would be nice. It's not a business, it's a charity. Below is an email I just got in. I represent at 503C3, Sisters in the Building Trades. My e-mail is shyeshye@aol.com I have no idea how to use this site other than to read it. So a bit of help would be nice. Lots of work trying to change the world on a shoe string. Help is appreciated. It was a good article, just a few points that needed to be made real, and I was working on that as you will see below. Explaining a charity and what it does is not a bad thing. And all 3 charity's involved in this request are easily varifiable. Great site. First time I have had an issue. Thanks for your work. It is appreciated.

Dear Melina,

Thank you for writing to us and for the wonderful work that you do! Yes, Potentia media is a beautiful project and unfortunately, we dont have a partnership with them. As you can see on Potentia's web site, they currently partner with CARE. However, we are talking to them about potentially partnering with them and should that happen, we would mutually feature links to each other's web sites.

I tried to look up the wikipedia entry where Potentia mentions they partner with the Global Fund but was unable to find it - can you please send me the link?

Also, considering the wonderful work you do with Sisters in the Building Trades, Id like to quickly mention one of our grantee partners in Nicaragua that works to train women in unconventional trades like building, carpentry and so on - do check them out at www.mujeresconstructoras.org

Thank you so much for writing to us,

Warmly,

Preeti

-- Preeti Mangala Shekar Communications Associate Global Fund for Women 1375 Sutter Street, Suite 400 San Francisco, CA 94109 T: 415 202-7640, Ext 354 F: 415 202-8604 preeti@globalfundforwomen.org www.globalfundforwomen.org Read Global Fund updates on our blog: http://www.globalfundforwomen.org/cms/blog/

page view stats

What is the schedule for stat updates? Frequently, I am able to get stats from the previous day. Today, I am looking for stats fromthe 24th. When will they be available?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately there was a problem at the source today - it stopped updating after 14:00 yesterday. I've let Domas know, hopefully it should be starting up again soon. henriktalk 13:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Were yesterday's stat's lost?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Henrik,

How do you compute your stats? For instance, if I look for youtube in May - http://stats.grok.se/en/200805/youtube - your stats report 198.7k on May 3 but a grep for ^youtube on en.txt extracted from http://dammit.lt/wikistats/daily/daily-20080503.tgz yields youtube 52937 52937 youtube 12904 12904 youtube 3092 3092 youtube 2407 2407 youtube 562 562 youtube 500 500 youtube%27a_Proxy_Bazl%C4%B1_Giri%C5%9F_Yollar%C4%B1 279 279 youtube 211 211 youtube 159 159 youtube.com 130 130 youtube 128 128 youtube 119 119 youtube 102 102 youtube 98 98 youtube,com 20 20 youtube.com 18 18 youtube 16 16

Even if I do a case insensitive grep and sum all matches I only get to 127608. How come these numbers are nowhere near to 200k? How do you deal with multiple entries?

Best, Matthijs (163.1.26.4 (talk) 10:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC))[reply]

When I had a look on that daily lists at dammit.lt more than a week ago, I had to recognize that those lists are totally inaccurate. As the script seems to be still from May 17, this probably has not changed yet. But I can tell you that the numbers shown at stats.grok.se are correct ;-) --- Best regards, Melancholie (talk) 01:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

French stats

Hi Henrik, as everyone I thank you for THE tool. :)

I'd like to know if you can explain why in the February French Top 1000, (Landes) is 3rd, %s 53tt, (Oise) 69th and (Doubs) 160th, H 175th, Landes, Oise and Doubs being departments of France but with no reason to be between parentheses.

And will it be tops for other months later ?

Encolpe (talk) 12:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My guess would be some software automatically querying wikipedia and for some reason (a bug?) putting parentheses in the query. Yes, I just need to rewrite the script to generate the top lists, since I lost it due to a careless mistake :/ henriktalk 15:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is there someone with access to raw logs who can find out who it is? If it's a buggy bot it should be blocked, it's really making a huge amount of buggy requests...
Gonioul (talk) 14:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wondering how much work it would be to make traffic statistics case sensitive

Currently Gnu and GNU come up with the same number.   Thanks, Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 00:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

+1, looks like you forgot to set your table field case-sensitive, raw data seems case sensitive - Gonioul (talk) 20:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Anti-Americanism

Hi Henrik. Thanks for coming to this article as a neutral party. It's been difficult lately and I probably haven't been on best behaviour. If you do have the time, maybe you could comment on this thread. Do give the article a read-over beforehand; third party opnions on future direction would be very helpful. Cheers, Marskell (talk) 21:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone asked me to look at the article a while ago and I didn't. You seem to be doing a good job now. Let me know if you need any help William M. Connolley (talk) 22:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. More eyes are always helpful, so if you feel like it I wouldn't mind at all. I'll try to stay involved in trying to resolve this however, I think we've only just started. henriktalk 12:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks William. When the page is brought to something resembling decent, I will ping you. Marskell (talk) 17:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thank-spam

Henrik, just a note of appreciation for your recent support of my request for adminship, which ended successfully with 112 supports, 2 opposes, and 1 neutral. If there's something I've realized during my RFA process this last week, it's that adminship is primarily about trust. I will strive to honour that trust in my future interactions with the community. Many thanks! Gatoclass (talk) 06:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Henrik :) Gatoclass (talk) 08:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Americanism

Sorry if I get emotional but I find the idea of certain editors that Anti-Americanism is just an imaginary construction frankly ludicrous. What I say may seem sarcastic but I am just trying to state the obvious fact that Anti-Americanism is a real thing happening in the real world. If people declare war on the US (as Osama did in 1998) or burn the American flag or shout out 'Death to America' or sack the American Embassy etc they are almost by definition anti-American. We have the same problem at the Anti-Catholicism article, with certain editors imagining that the subject is about politically correct attitudes and ignoring the fact that eg there were definate written down legislative acts against the Catholics in Britain, Ireland, Mexico etc. and confessions of faith which called the Pope 'the Anti-Christ'. I.e. that the topic is about real things happening to real people in the real world not just about POV 'attitudes'. Colin4C (talk) 10:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A large problem from my understanding is that it is both. Osama in 1998 and crowds shouting death to America is obviously real anti-American sentiment. And no, that shouldn't be watered down with politically correct cultural relativism. However, it has also been used as a term to discredit legitimate criticism against U.S. policies. Like any nation, the US does both good and bad things. As the world's only super-power it is highly visible and always scrutinized. I think the article needs to show both of these sides. I rather like the "Definitions and usage" section of the current article, while the history section needs quite a bit of work (In that I agree with Life.temp). henriktalk 12:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mmm, but Life.temp isn't arguing for work. He simply wants to remove as much material as he can. He's basically indicated that even if we source sections he's going to want to remove them. This is really not acceptable. If we add good, sourced material, I think we should consider blanking it vandalism. Speaking of which, I have done up the Degeneracy section. I'm pleased. Some surgery needs to be done to incorporate this and I would suggest that the article be unlocked. We can't sit here hostage to one editor.
As for whether it's both—yes, it is. I wrote most of the Definitions and Usage and I have no problem adding more to the second sense of the term elsewhere in the article. The difficulty is that, beyond Chomsky, there isn't a whole lot out there on it. If people bring quality sources arguing for it, we can certainly use them. Marskell (talk) 17:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, obviously just removing material isn't the way to go forward. Your sandbox version of the Degeneracy section looks rather nice. There are a few tweaks I can think of though, but that can wait until it is in the article. :)
I've unprotected it now. While the issue hasn't been resolved yet, there hasn't been any more discussions and just waiting won't solve anything. henriktalk 08:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anti-Americanism#Truce —Preceding unsigned comment added by Life.temp (talkcontribs) 22:39, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration? This is going nowhere. Marksell is reverting one-sentence changes by me without discussion--in the current case, he's done it six times. He has repeatedly stated a refusal to talk to me, e.g. "I have indicated I specifically don't want to speak with this editor..." [1] He is leaving edit comments like "checkmate", and making silly defenses of plagiarism in order to disagree with me. There's no interest in consensus here. The article has deep, fundamental problems regarding its labeling of other cultures, yet Marksell refuses to discuss one-sentence edits. He is subverting the basic rule of having an encyclopedia anyone can edit. Life.temp (talk) 09:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

page access

Could you also show with your tool how much traffic wikipedia organization sites had. That would be very helpful. Thank you Wandalstouring (talk) 12:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately not, the wikimedia sites aren't in the data dumps. henriktalk 15:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another issue that came to my mind, is how many articles need to be improved to give the average reader a satisfying reply(in 50% or in 90% of the cases he searches something). It pays off better if high traffic articles get improved because they will be viewed by a larger part of the readers. OK, that's already possible with the existing tool, but I suggest to go a step further and find out the distribution of total traffic on articles, possibly visualized with a declining graph (that lists the high access articles on one side and the low access on the other) and short notes at what monthly amount of clicks how much percent of the total traffic are covered. In return this could help to establish an importance rating for articles and thus improve reader satisfaction by focusing article improvement on top important rated articles and to a lesser degree on the middle importance rated articles. Wandalstouring (talk) 13:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good idea! henriktalk 15:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When you have done that graph, can you post it for implementation in the article Wikipedia and on my talk page (for the military history project). Thanks a lot. Wandalstouring (talk) 10:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki format

Hello

Could you please tell me how to convert this list to wiki format? I mean like # article name newline # article name ..or you convert it. thanks! (for the great tool:))--Alnokta (talk) 17:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any idea?--Alnokta (talk) 01:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hit counts for Spanish Wikipedia to create a subset for XO laptops

Hi! My husband (who works at OLPC) and I have been working on creating a subset of Wikipedia pages that could be packaged into the OLPC XO-1 laptops (we're aiming for 35-40k articles = 80MB). Currently all the countries that have XO's are Spanish-speaking countries, so the appropriate wikipedia is es.wikipedia.org. We've tried to do this by counting the number of incoming links to pages and taking the most-linked pages, but this technique is failing to capture critical articles like Atom and Algebra (!). I think using traffic stats would result in a much more reasonable subset.

Do you have a file of es.wikipedia traffic stats that I could download? Top 100k is what I'm interested in, although I wouldn't mind having the whole shebang. Thanks! Madeleine 15:12, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replied via e-mail. henriktalk 15:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Henrik, my name is Patrick and I'm going to deploy XO in Haiti in October. I have talked to Madeleine because I want to do a subset of Wikipedia pages for a French version of the OLPC wikipedia activity. She said that you could help me by giving me a copy of traffic stats for the French version of wikipedia that I could use for building the smaller database. Merci!. PatrickHetu (talk) 01:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't look good

Again. I am, as I said, considering this vandalism. Marskell (talk) 13:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed not. henriktalk 15:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

statistics

It would be very interessting to suppress the accents ! in french, the same article is seen with two counts like fr:fonction zeta de Riemann and fr:fonction zêta de Riemann.88.162.110.102 (talk) 13:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC) (claudeh5 on wikipedia.fr)[reply]

Statistics, again

"This is very much a beta service and may disappear or change at any time": You may improve it (seems fine to me as it is) but please do not make it disappear! This is too good. Congratulations. --FocalPoint (talk) 13:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it is not too much work for the server, you could allow an interval more than one month (FROM ---- TO) and for server work, you can limit it to a max distance (say 12 months).--FocalPoint (talk) 13:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for the pointers about marking my own edits as vandalism and about Twinkle.AngelaVietto (talk) 16:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AA origins

Hi Henrik. Thanks for bringing a couple of new sources to the page; note I adjusted the headlines because I think your "Origins" section follows from "Definitions" above it. A couple of questions/notes re the following:

"Scholars have developed two theories to explain the causes of anti-Americanism: the theories of resistance and scapegoating. The first holds that sentiment against America is a response by realists seeking to protect national interest against U.S. influence. According to it, hatred of America reflects "real-life experience" and is not an imagined perception. Rubin et al. argue that the underlying reason for anti-Americanism is "the belief that what underlies all U.S. actions is a desire to take over or remake the world."
  • I'd like to drop "two theories" in favour of "two amongst a variety" or something like that. There are a lot of theories, so I don't want to pigeonhole it.
    • I don't have any objections in principle, but I think most other theories could probably be contained under one of the two. The source also specifically says "two". If you read the source (p. 4), you'll see that I tried to stay pretty close to it.
  • "...a response by realists." I presume you mean non-American realists?
    • Correct. Do you have any suggestions how to make this clearer?
  • "...not an imagined perception." Is this meant to be somewhat sympathetic? That is, a non-American realist might reasonably conclude it's best to oppose the US and this shouldn't be taken as irrational.
    • Yes, that some expressions of opposing the US (either in a specific policy, or some part of the culture) could be rational. I'm not sure it would be helpful to go into details, but the protests during the lead-up to Iraq could perhaps be taken to be this kind. They were widely described as anti-American at the time.
  • Finally, scroll down the article to the National Identity section. I'd like to greatly compress that by shortening the quotes and merge it with your Origins section. I think they go over much same thing.
    • That seems like a good idea.

Sorry to bother you on User talk. Posting to Article talk is incredibly difficult at the moment. Marskell (talk) 20:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. :) henriktalk 20:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In general, I approve of how you've folded National Identity into Origins. I will probably tweak it considerably, but this seems a good starting point for improvement. It's after 1 am for me :) so I won't seriously engage the article or your above points until tomorrow. Marskell (talk) 21:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I won't make any more changes today, better to go slow on this article. I await your tweaks with anticipation. :) I wouldn't mind getting rid of the rest of National Identity, as I think the rest of the content there is rather tangential. henriktalk 21:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I tweaked the section. In the first line I made clear Rubin is suggesting two types and I also clarified non-American realists. I added "...is not an irrational or imagined perception." If you have wording closer to the text plz change it—"imagined perception" on its own doesn't tell me much. I also killed the rump section on National Identity; I buried some of the material in the Origins section.

As for the revert today, that's fine. I restored some things and left others. What's most frustrating is the sense of being put through the Wikipedia equivalent of Chinese water torture while trying to improve the article. Marskell (talk) 16:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


A Request

I want this false accusation against me by a certain editor on the Anti-Americanism talk page deleted. It is not acceptible to libel me on the wikipedia and it is contrary to this policy: Wikipedia:Assume good faith:

"Returning to the task of improving the article, my edit to remove plagiarism was reverted without discussion! Very shocking! I explained my concern here [6], which received no response. Interestingly, Colin4C's response was not to remove the plagiarism, but to remove the source, making the plagiarism harder to detect." Colin4C (talk) 09:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

mountly dump of wikistats

Hello, we talk in march about wikistats and the possibility to get a dump for toolserver. Would it be possible to get a utf8-transformed dump from may? That's would be great. Thanks. --Kolossos (talk) 20:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia traffic page - comparison option

Hi Henrik,

Awesome tool at http://stats.grok.se. Any chance you can add a feature to compare stats for two articles directly? It could work by overlapping a translucent bar graph over the first, for example, or similar to Google Trends (e.g. http://www.google.com/trends?q=facebook,+myspace).

Thanks, Dan Dandv (talk) 22:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page's views

If a page has been viewed '53 times'. If I enter two times to the same article. Is it another view?. I hope you understand me, I don't speak English very well. Tack. 190.49.124.209 (talk) 00:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, unfortunately. You can try this out easily by visiting randomstufftotestthis (do not use this link, use a secret, non-public one of your own) more than once (by reloading e.g.)! --- Best regards, Melancholie (talk) 01:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Random article should work fine. There are 2 million articles and your chances of picking one with almost no hits are very high. Pick one with less than a few hundred per month and hit it a known number of times. Out of ten tries I got only one (Bob Dole) with more than 500, and three had less than 100. If you want a clean slate pick a user page that has had no hits (but does exist). Just put in some random characters for a starting point. There are 7 million users, but most do not have user pages. I tried Nwer for a starting point, and 4/5 had zero hits in May (I had to click next to find more than 2 that existed). 199.125.109.96 (talk) 18:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Award

Letting editors actively know that their contributions are being viewed will only motivate them to improve Wikipedia further. Of course this also encompasses the rest of your contributions (I particularly love the Tromsdalen Church picture), so for your stats tool, your images and all your other contributions, I award you this Golden Wiki award for being an Awesome Wikipedian. Keep it up! WilliamH (talk) 12:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to the stats tool

I hope it will be fixed soon. Chrisgj (talk) 15:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The stats tool is wonderful, I hope you can fix it, cause it benefits a lot in all the wikipedias where this tool was available. I come from the Wikipedia in spanish. Good luck. 333 (talk) 03:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the tool!--QIrus (talk) 10:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Stats tool is really useful. ¿Can you update it for show traffic in June? I come from Spanish Wikipedia, like 333. Thank you very much. --HUB (talk) 07:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Would be really glad, if you could fix/update the tool! Thanks a lot! --Happolati (talk) 11:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's working again thanks (in the link at top of your browswer change 200805 to 200806).Chrisgj (talk) 15:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hej Henrik. Thanks a lot for the stats tool. What about the 31st of May? All figures are Zero for that day still. Tack, --Gereon K. (talk) 08:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia article traffic statistics

Hello! Could you please update "Wikipedia article traffic statistics" for the months of june, july or more? Tank you very much for this counter. -194.144.13.52 (talk) 16:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A little too early for July stats, but as the ad says "time to make the donuts" - the drop down box needs to have June added. The stats are there, just change the URL to 200806 to see them. 199.125.109.96 (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Stats raw data question

Hi there,

I took a quick peek to the stats raw data, hoping to do something with it, but I need your help understanding the records. It seems to me the data is in this format, in each of the files:

<language> <article> <within-hour count> <???>

like for example:

en Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart 155 6063362

... To me this means that the article Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart in English Wikipedia had 155 visits in the hour that the file was generated. But I do have two questions:

1. Are my assumptions correct? 2. What is the meaning of the last number?

Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 14:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there again, ignore this post, other user answered my questions! Thanks regardless and thanks for a great tool! Miguel.mateo (talk) 15:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

stats.grok.se

Hi Henrik. Thank you very much for useful tool!

I have one small question to you. Is it possible to view the list of most popular articles from any category (for example, Category:Economics) and how? --Lime82 (talk) 15:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to hijack this but I was just about to ask a question about this great tool as well - will there be a possibility to see visitor path ways (where the pages are linked from) in the future?--Cailil talk 23:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. First, I like your stat as well. And secondly, my wish is not as complicated as some other ones: will other projects like Wikisources be included as well? Thx, -jkb- (cs.source) 08:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

@-jkb-: They are ;-) See http://stats.grok.se/cs.s/200806/Hlavní_strana for example (and en.b, en.d, en.m, en.n, en.q, en.s, en.v || d=wikt, m=wikimedia) --- Greetings, Melancholie (talk) 10:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, I see, although it works only if I give there the full URL address like you did here above; it doesn't seem to be possible to choose from the lists there. OK, Thank a lot, -jkb- (cs.source) 10:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

text stats

Hi Henrik. Do you think you could provide also some info for each article in textual version, something like the following?

Article_name: 1294 views since 200712, average 23 views per day

Thanks, Waldir talk 11:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page Statistics Utility

Henrik, I haven't been able to get your page statistics counter to show any data whatsoever, even for the Elvis Presley page! What am I doing wrong? Michael J. Farrand (talk) 20:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

applications of the hit counter tool

Thanks, Henrik. Many of us at WikiProject Oregon have made good use of your tool. For example I produce the page Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Readership which is a compilation of data provided by your tool. It also gets mentioned in our new blog from time to time: http://wikiprojectoregon.wordpress.com/

A few questions:

  • Is the heavy usage that my script makes of your tool an issue? The Readership talk page has full details, but a monthly update makes almost 3000 tool requests in short order.
  • My script throws away most of the information provided by your tool, except the total monthly count. Is there a more efficient interface?
  • If it says article X has 100 hits for a particular day, is there a chance some hits aren't counted for that interval?
  • Your tool has a caveat that it might go away at any time. What are the chances?

Thank you very much! —EncMstr (talk) 23:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]