Talk:Gary Oldman

personal life

Should something be written up on Oldman being a recovered alcoholic and/or about the nasty split-ups between his first two wives?

No. This is an encyclopedia, not a celebrity magazine. bob rulz 20:16, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think maybe a sentence saying he's a recovered alcoholic might be OK, but I don't think particular detail is needed about his split-ups. Alexrushfear 17:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

On the other hand he has spoken about alcoholism publicly on several occasions (since drying out). It is just about common knowledge about him. I've never met him or anything but I have read interviews by him in which he has told journalists he could drink two bottles of vodka and still be standing and conversational, so it seems this is not something he is trying to keep private. Also his arrest for DWI is a matter of public record. Also the divorce from his 3rd wife and the awful custody dispute is a matter of public record. They publicly said terrible (though not proven) things against each other, though Mr Oldman was ultimately exonerated and granted custody. If a public figure says things publicly, or does things that are public record (as is the case in ct. proceedings), perhaps they are more encyclopedic than gossip?24.131.12.228 18:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)Emily K. (please let me know if I can add any of this)

I'm not sure that his place of birth, as listed here, is correct. Every source I have ever read has named his place of birth as New Cross, London and, in fact, his accent reflects this (Nottingham sounds is a different accent than this.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.208.11.119 (talk) 08:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Marriage Date

I've changed the date of his marriage to Lesley Manville to 1988- the [1]BFI database gives an exact date of 13/3/1988, although I'm not sure how accurate this is.

"Tufano" vandalism

Note that edits inserting supposed information about "Marc Tufano" are vandalism and should be reverted on sight. This has affected multiple articles (Robert De Niro, The Beatles, etc. etc.) -- Curps 18:06, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

General Grievous?

I thinkthe article is wrong in saying Oldman voiced Grievous in Star Wars. He may have been considered but as far as I know, his voice was not in the film and neither was he credited for anything.

You are correct, Oldman did not voice him. Matthew Wood voiced grievous in SWIII, and several others voiced grievous for w/e else he was in, like clone wars.

NPOV

Am I alone in thinking this article is a little on the fannish side? Should it be edited for NPOV?

I agree that it does need a re-write; two of the paragraphs state the same thing, in slightly different ways. I am not nearly a dedicated-enough bio-re-writer, so I won't attempt remaking it, but it does need to be done. Also, can someone tag it for needed attention?

I made a few edits

Hope they are okay. I changed roles that would be a stretch for any actor--since that seem fannish even to me--to other roles in his diverse history, which seemed more neutral I also added that he has 3 sons, and by which wives, and that has custody of the youngest 2. Would it be acceptable to add their names and/or dates of birth? Emily K.24.131.12.228 18:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Article needs a tidy-up

This seems to have become a depository for every rumour and/or internet joke about Oldman. On top of that, the biography part is very messy, and very messy looking.

LOL

Sirius Balck is commissioner Gordon

Famous Relations

I have heard on many occassions that Mo from Eastenders is Gary Oldmans half sister. If this is true it should be inc. in the article.TammiMagee 09:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• She is his full sister. Her stage name is Laila Morse, and this info is now included in the article.

Fanboy Heaven

This article focuses too much on fanboy films like Batman, Harry Potter (especially), and the Fifth Element. Someone even put this as a Harry Potter article. While they were all successful films I think more mention should be made of films that was made more with critics in mind than Summer Movie goers, such as Dracula, JFK, Nil By Mouth, Prick Up Your Ears, and Sid and Nancy. I always found it amazing how he lost 80 lbs for Sid and Nancy and had to be hospitalized, but that's mentioned nowhere.

Retiring announcement

http://www.joblo.com/oldman-to-quit

Career section contains many spoilers

Due to frequently playing villains, and people struck by tragedy, his characters often die in his films.. The descriptions of how each character dies are effectively spoilers, aren't they? Thats not right IMO.. Bmathew 19:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

awards

would be nice to see an awards section like many other actors' pages. Kansaikiwi (talk) 09:48, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

ask and you shall receive. cheers. Kansaikiwi (talk) 22:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

GAC review

This article is off to a good start, but I see some problems with the sourcing, formatting and prose that concerns me. At this moment the article does not fulfill the GA criteria, but I'm willing to put the nomination on hold in order to allow contributors to work. Here are some suggestions/comments for improvement:

• The references are a mess. None of them are formatted properly and several of them (IMDb, scifipedia, hunkymalecelebs) are not from reliable sources. I suggest using citation templates in order to correctly format the links and look for replacement refs for those from disreputable sources. María (habla conmigo) 16:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
• Two fansites are linked to in the external links. Per WP:EL, there should be none. Also remove the duplicate IMDb link to the awards and nominations page; this is redundant.
• Image:Han2.jpg does not have a fair use rationale.
• The use of "influential" in the lead, although sourced, is open to debate. I would remove it entirely.
• More information needs to be given in order for the lead to adhere to WP:LEAD; there is no mention of his early life, music training, family, or cult following. Nil by Mouth shouldn't be mentioned by itself and more can be said about his film making, as well.
• and can be seen singing and playing piano in the 1988 movie Track 29, and tracing over pre-recorded versions of Beethoven's music in Immortal Beloved: Ref? Also remember to italicize the film name.
• The "Music" section is only one sentence long and no date is given. The biography should follow a chronological timeline.
• After graduating from drama school in 1979, Oldman spent almost eight years in theater, winning various awards: such as...? Ref?
• successfully using an American accent: what does "successfully" refer to? The accent itself?
• In October 2007, movie website TheShiznit.co.uk... how is this a notable website/accolade?
• Because of its length, I suggest breaking the "Filmography" list into two columns.
• Oldman also directed the music video for "Red Rover", a song from Jewish Rap Group Chutzpah's 2nd CD "Hip Hop Fantasy,": the first comma placement (outside of the quotation marks) is correct, the second isn't; there are several of these that need to be fixed throughout the article.

I did not read the prose too closely, but once these issues have been taken care of, I'm willing to give it a second review. Until then, I'm going to put the nomination on hold. Please do let me know if you have any questions or comments. María (habla conmigo) 16:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I have failed this nomination for Good Article candidacy based on lack of activity regarding my previous comments. María (habla conmigo) 12:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

controversy

In this section, there's a quote that says "Oldman also reportedly blasted Keanu Reeves for his performance in the film." This contains a citation pointing to an Entertainment Weekly blurb which says "Keanu was a bit out of his depth in Francis Ford Coppola's adaptation of Bram Stoker's classic 1897 novel. Even though he was frequently blasted off the screen by Gary Oldman, playing the titular bloodsucker, Reeves did get to have a nice moment at the center of a hot ménage a vampire-babe quatre." This "blasted" pretty clearly means metaphorically that Oldman's performance was much better than Keanu's - there's no indication that Oldman actually has ever said anything negative about Keanu. I'm therefore removing the sentence. 65.0.18.166 (talk) 00:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC) Sorry, forgot to log in for the above! Vonspringer (talk) 00:44, 15 June 2008 (UTC)