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Size of erect penis in image

I liked the previous circumcised pictures- (erect and not) they showed a nice-looking penis that was not especially big- it was more representative of a lot of us!

IT SHOULD BE AVERAGE SIZE. Main picture is so not normal. This site should be informative, not some guys need to show off how big he is.

I'm not sure exactly which image is referred to, however, the erect penis at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Erect_penis_with_labels.jpg looks much larger than average; it looks about 8 inches. I recommend it be replaced with an image of a more average sized penis. Given the popularity of this page (I think it's in the top 200 most visited) I suspect some readers will believe the picture represents an average penis, so it may cause unnecessary body image anxiety.

As I said in an earlier post, it doesn't matter if the image depicts a penis that's a little larger or smaller than normal. The only thing that's important is that it presents a scientific/medical perspective of that part of the body. One's insecurities or anxieties are not the problem of Wikipedia or its editors. That arguments over "anxiety" and "insecurity" are just diversions from the job at hand. In this case, however, the image is likely a porn image and is, therefore, not appropriate for Wikipedia. On the other hand, if the replacement image is an example of medical photography depicting a penis of above-average size, deal with it, people! ask123 (talk) 15:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a medical photo. This site should be informative. The first picture should not be that picture of the penis. You want to talk about "anxiety" and "insecurity". An encyclopedia should show facts, this does not show a fact. The picture should be removed

The best way to know that these penis pictures do or do not represent the average human male penis size is to go out and personally inspect as many penises as one can. Keep notes. Small penises cause snickers, average sized ones cause no reaction, and large ones generally cause a sharp inhale known medically as a gasp. Jcitrix (talk) 06:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It also could just be a small guy with a normal size Mhocker (talk) 12:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have any point of reference in the photograph to give an accurate idea of what size it really is. There's no perspective. We don't know how his body is really proportioned. Asarelah (talk) 17:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ask123 please stop being an ass. Show a bit of compassion man. If you can do something to make some pubescent kid's years a little less stressful, do it. It is not violating any of wiki's standards by changing the main picture to something a little more modest. I know this may not be a big deal and i fully agree, I just don't like the way ask123 is acting as if his hands are tied and telling people to "deal with it". p.s. ahahaha to the concept that it could just be a tiny dude with a normal penis :)59.101.40.74 (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
wtf is this, the Small Penis support page? If there is one thing Wikipedia is not short on, it is middle-aged small caucasian penis pictures. (Penis, Erection probably more too...) if one of the pictures happens to be 6 inches or above who cares. (god knows the rest of them aren't) --User0529 (talk) 01:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the point of it being "a little above" The first picture is grossly over sized
Well it may seem so to you, but to my Jamaican friends its seems, you know,.....tiny. ;-)

BTW, anyone notice that the talk page on Penis is also quite small, while the talk page on Cunt is HUGE! (god, life's funny at times).--Phil Wardle (talk) 08:25, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Link to german wiki

The link to the german wiki is wrong.

Actually it should link to: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_des_Menschen

Could someone fix it (i can't because the page is semiprotected). thx

80.121.25.14 (talk) 04:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Icarus of old (talk) 16:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed it back - the german article is about general "penis" - this article is too, but our article is too heavily weighted on human penis. - Toon05 22:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Corkscrew penis

Some ducks and pigs have a corkscrew penis, which can be quite long. Female ducks have a long corkscrew vagina. This should be mentioned in the article.

-69.87.204.48 (talk) 13:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lead image

An anatomy image would be a lot better suited for the lead image of the penis. Every medical article about the penis i have ever seen has a side view anatomy illustration of the penis. Never have i seen a uncircumcised penis be used to show the penis in a medical journal or article in general.

We already have a image showing a uncircumcised penis and both it, and the current lead shows those lines that point out things.

Its a bit of a distraction and redundant to use. Also it makes it feel like the article is leaning towards uncut, uncircumcised or "natural" penises.

I think an anatomy drawing would be the most non bias option to use. Its more encyclopedic and more educational if it keeps a medical tone. I also feel that we need a circumcised anatomy illustration as well. The current anatomy illustration as well as the lead and another 3 photos (in one) are all of uncircumcised penises. its a little one sided to have 5/8 images all be of uncircumcised penises.

Also i think we need a frontal anatomy image of the penis. I see many encyclopedias and medical articles with both a front and side anatomy illustration of the penis. I even have a medical book that shows a back view focusing on the testicles from an angle where the penis is still visible.

But anyways an anatomy illustration would fit the lead image a lot better for the following reasons.

The article seems to show biasness in the use of 5 uncircumcised penises 2 of which show and point out the same general information.

a black and white photo that goes to the left to much is not the best image to use.

Its more encyclopedia and professional to use a illustration for the penis. I enjoy the fact that wikipedia is not censored but for standardization and encyclopidicness we should have the standard Antomy illustrations of the penis.

Front and side and both circumcised and non circumcised anatomy illustrations are needed.

Also to anyone who wants to know, i didn't relize the anatomy image on this article was of an uncircumcised penis until i took a closer look at the line pointing to the tip saying foreskin. i hope that debunks anyone from using "its its so one sided why you use the illustration of an uncircumcised penis?" Yami (talk) 03:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keeping it brief -- I think the current lede image is just fine. Atom (talk) 03:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unrelated -- the most common spelling is "lede[1][2][3][4] and not "lead".
Try reading Wikipedia:Lead section Asher196 (talk) 13:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ketsuekigata said it best:

The lead image should show what the subject is and be an overall illustration of the article's topic. I think that a photograph serves that purpose much more effectively. A diagram might be useful to illustrate certain things that would be difficult or impractical to show through photography (such as internal anatomy), but doesn't really represent what a penis looks like.

66.112.107.98 (talk) 03:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

well there has to be a better image to use. the current one is to far over and the info is already shown on the other uncircumcised penis. Yami (talk) 04:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do think the lead image is too far to the left, I don't understand why it was cropped from [5].--HoneymaneHeghlu meH QaQ jajvam 05:30, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I purpose Image:Flaccidpenis.jpg. We don't need labels on the lead image. We can just bring back Image:Human_penis07.jpg in the erection section and we also already have a diagram with labels too. Bobisbob (talk) 14:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. Are we discussing the lede image, or the image in the erection section? Why do we want to change the images again? Could we split off discussion of the lede image from discussion of the eretcion section image? We should talk about options, make a decision, and then change the article. I hate it when the image changes every time a new editor finds the article and has a different preference.

I hear editor Honeymane suggesting that the lede image is too far left. I can see wwhat he means. Although I think the image is fine, I am not opposed to changing it if we can agree. Atom (talk) 14:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I have a vague preference for the lede image being a diagram, I accept that I'm in the minority on this issue - the existing image is fine. What I think is important is that the image in the lede be informative and yet not distracting. I think the existing b+w image serves those needs very well. This article has had serious problems in the past because a large number of editors were all highly motivated to get the best penis in the world (their own!) into it, and so from that perspective, I would vastly prefer a situation where we need a strong consensus to make any image change. Nandesuka (talk) 14:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is a human penis even used in the lead/infobox? This article isn't about human penises. It isn't even about mammalian penises. Why use a single penis from a single species to represent something with such a broad range of morphological and functional variations? The human penis is already sufficiently illustrated in this article. I say lose the lead image, or, better yet, make a montage, similar to that of plant, which demonstrates a broad range of morphologies and species. Thanks, AlphaEta 15:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am a proponent of the lede being a human penis. The article is not limited to human penii, as you indicated. We could have images of other penii, but someone will have to go to commons and look. The main reason I think the lede should be human is that most of the people who read Wikipedia are human, and as a species we tend to be focuses on ourselves. I would wager that most people coming to the article, in fact, expect to see, and are looking for informatin on the human penis. I think the current image is a good image (although color might be better) and serves that purpose. Atom (talk) 15:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The one I suggest is basically the same but more centered, without labels and in color. I don't think the lead need labels since we already have a diagram. Anyway, since we agree that that particular penis best illistrautes the subject then why not replace that version with a better one? Bobisbob (talk) 15:30, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We should eschew labels on the lede. The primary purpose of the lede image is to, at a glance, convey the primary topic visually. A labelled diagram is not best suited for the lede role, it is better suited for a section of the article talking about the technical/medical/anatomical aspects of the topic.
Bob, which image are you proposing? is it this one? Image:Flaccidpenis.jpg If so, I think that image would be great for the lede. Atom (talk) 15:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, that's the one. Bobisbob (talk) 16:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Again, if the primary purpose of the lead is to convey the topic visually, I don't see how a human penis sufficiently accomplishes this. However, it appears that most anatomical articles on Wikipedia use human organs in the lead, so I will defer to the norm. That being said, the precedent for articles describing reproductive organs, such as scrotum, clitoris, uterus, vas deferens and vagina, is to use diagrammatic representations in the lead. The lead should be able to stand alone. Anatomical diagrams convey more information than an unlabeled picture of the external male genitalia. Previous versions of this article had both an anatomical diagram as well as an image in the lead. Why not restore this format? Thanks, AlphaEta 16:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those reproductive parts have diagrams in the lede because they are internal organs. The penis is external and thus a drawing/diagrams is not needed for the lede. Vulva also has an unlabeled photo in the lead. Bobisbob (talk) 17:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The penis is anatomically more complex than the vulva. While it is outside the body, an external image fails to represent most of its morphological and functional aspects. The sagittal section does. AlphaEta 17:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to some minor labelling. I don't think the lede needs to stand on its own. The primary purpose of the lede image, like the lede text, is to introduce and identify the topic sufficiently. Too much labeling distracts from the purpose. The section that goes into the detail of the topic is where a detailed and labelled image is best suited. I feel that, as silly as it sounds, the main success of lede images with some minor labelling is that it offers the perception that this photo is medically related, and not meant to be erotic (erorica/pornography). Beyond offering that impression, I think the labelling is little used or referenced by readers. The readers who want detail will go to the section with the detail and look at that image as they read the detail text. Atom (talk) 17:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly! The lede doesn't not need go into detail on it's morphological and functional aspects. It should simply show a photo of a penis in it's most natural state. The diagrams and labels are best suited in the section that go into detail on the morphology. A diagram many be good for showing what can't be caught on a photo, but it doesn't represent what a penis actually looks like. Bobisbob (talk) 18:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To answer somethign above. Its a human penis because that is the first thing a person would want info on. Something closer to home to a human penis should be the first subject, then other penises be touched upon latter.

Also why does this article needs so many uncircumcised penises?

The lead, the uncircumcised image of three different views and then the anatomy illustration.

The only circumcised penises are the image with two views of a circumcised penis and then the rollerskating penis at the bottom. the only reason that is circumcised is because more people identify with a circumcised penis when it comes to comical and cartoonish antics. I doubt to many people would recognize a penis costume as a penis if it had a bunch of material to replicate foreskin. It would look like a rolled up sock unless people looked at the testicles.

If we cannot agree on replacing it with an anatomical illustration then I would happily agree with replacing it with a color penis without labels. The labels are why its to far left and i was the first to mention that much I just said it was to far over.

I think a frontal view of the penis would be the most educational. The angle on the current lead isn't all that faltering. It throws off the proportions on the whole penis especially with the specimen curling to the left like that. Yami (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bob has already suggested a color image already, see above. I think it is Image:Flaccidpenis.jpg. You are welcome to suggest an alternative of your preference.
The topic of Circumcision is a controversial issue. See the circumcision article and talk page as an example. Keep in mind that circumsized is the state of being altered or cut -- and natural, or uncut (un-circumsized) is the state of it not being altered (natural). A majority of people in the world have not been circumzised. I think everyone agrees that images in the article should show both types and not prefer one or the other. Atom (talk) 20:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So can I go ahead and put it in? Bobisbob (talk) 22:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am okay with it, but let's see if we can hear from AlphaEta and Honeymane on that too. Atom (talk) 23:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just don't know why we keep using a cropped image.--HoneymaneHeghlu meH QaQ jajvam 23:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like Image:Flaccidpenis.jpg at all. For one thing, it's completely out of focus; the focal plane is on the scrotum, and the tip of the penis is blurry (which is one reason I converted it to black and white -- that allowed us to increase the contrast, which lessens the effect of the focus problems. That's also why I cropped out the scrotum; by eliminating it, the focus problems are less evident). For another, it includes extraneous details of the scrotum that aren't relevant to the article. Lastly, the lighting is awful (note the harsh shadows), and I think it will be distracting in the article lede (which is the other reason I converted it to b+w). Nandesuka (talk) 00:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well your version would be fine if it would be fine if it didn;'t have the labels and wasn't tilted to the left. Anyway I didn't why not use a fully ecrection one since a flaccid pic only shows some of it? How about Image:Penis with pre-ejaculate.jpg or a cropped Image:Penis1.JPG Bobisbob (talk) 00:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What in the world

Who replaced the uncircumcised image without consensus. To make matters worse it looks like someone stapled that poor specimen then ripped it out.

I might have switched out the lead image without mentioning it on the talk page, but at least the illustration was professional looking and didn't have horrible disfigurement. The erection section should use both a erect circumcised and uncircumcised penis. Not just one and not one that looks disfigured. Yami (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a diff of when the image was last changed [[6]]. Atom (talk) 20:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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