Talk:Toyota Camry

Template:Portal Cars selected picture I'm just wondering, where did the American 3rd generation Camry go? It's kind of annoying trying to find some info about and having to look back into the history. Could someone bring it back?69.228.199.250 (talk) 23:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Milkmandan: your changes to the Camry page are welcome but I wonder if it is worthwhile to note that the model names and release dates apply only to the United States. Stombs 12:26, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

I've made the change and have preserved your words as best as possible. Stombs 12:55, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

I very much appreciate the changes you've thrown at this--it's looking really good! I also realize anything I've got so far is pretty US-centric; I expect you guys can help me out with that. Don't worry about keeping what I've already got. I'm much less concerned about preserving my work than I am about preserving the correct work. --Milkmandan 17:40, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)

Thank you, Milkmandan! Mind you, if you hadn't done the ground work with the generations, I'd have been well and truly stuffed. (No Red Meat jokes on that. :)) Stombs 21:53, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

Some more stuff

Given some references, and maybe getting more topics other than model lines, this could definitely be a featured article. →Iñgólemo← (talk) 22:53, 2004 Dec 30 (UTC)

Having spent a significant amount of time working on this page, I certainly would not mind that at all! Any suggestions (from anyone, really) for what to add? I know we could use a more thorough discussion of the available options and engines, but I'm having a hard time coming up with other topics. --Milkmandan 11:16, 2004 Dec 31 (UTC)

What about adding a list of exterior and interior colour codes and names for the various years/models? Heep (talk) 20:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Engine question

How about some info about the timing belt alternative in some camry's (a chain? whats it called, it has a funny name but i don't remember) and details about the engineering of the engine. (i came here looking for this)

Depending on the engine, Camrys have been sold with either timing belts or timing chains—neither configuration is unusual at all. The early models seem to have chains, whereas the later models have belts. The right place to find this information would be on the pages that describe the engines used in the Camry:

• Toyota T engine
• Toyota MZ engine
• Toyota S engine (presently not terribly helpful)

--Milkmandan 19:22, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Adding info on JDM cars

Do u mind if I add some info on JDM as well as European Camrys?? Would u mind me putting it as a subsection within each generation??

Senna6094

I don't want to make it seem like permission is required—but, I have absolutely no objection to inclusion of Euro/JDM information in the article. I encourage it, and I'm looking forward to reading about cars that I don't see every day. --Milkmandan 02:08, 2005 Apr 17 (UTC)

I asked cos the article is already very impressive, & I'm sure u've spent a lot of time on it, including the layout design. The Camry has a complicated model branchline (as most Japanese cars in the 70/80/90's do), so it would be very easy to make the article hard to read by not giving thought to the article's layout, as there are a lot of extra info.

Senna6094

The name "Camry"

Where did the name Camry come from? How was it chosen? Can we answer that?

ProhibitOnions

I was thinking about that too, cause it's not covered in the article. Names like Accord or Maxima make sense at first glance, but Camry's not a word that's found in daily usage. --LeoTheLion 1 July 2005 17:23 (UTC)

It's a good question, and one that I can't answer fully. Most Toyota cars from the late 1970s and early 1980s were given names starting with the letter C—for example, Toyota Corona, Toyota Cressida, and Toyota Corolla. I suspect the Camry was named so because it was a C name that sounded good. --Milkmandan 19:15, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

The etymology of the word 'Camry' comes from the Japanese word 'kanmuri', 冠 (かんむり), which means 'crown' and when pronounced sounds very similar to 'Camry'. Toyota had several models at the time with names meaning crown: Corona, Camry and Crown. --Jsimpson 05:33, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Extremely belated thanks for that. I'd been wondering about that off and on for years, but no Toyota people or Japanese-speakers I'd asked knew. Things like this make Wikipedia really useful! ProhibitOnions 00:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

years, and engines missed

i was looking through the Camry section, and found that you forgot the 1992-1993 V6 motor. it was the 3.0L 4 cam 3VZ-FE. Also the third generation was from 1992-1996.

(this was on the right hand column)

The Australian should have stuff about the New Zealand Camry!!

They had the same design and features and sportivo model in new zealand to who ever the stupid twit is who changed it

Uh... sure. It's not that popular there, but, hey, I'll give it a shot. --Susanna Banana ^@ 19:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

2nd Gen Camry picture

I noticed that the 2nd generation Camry picture isn't a really good one. Can someone replace it with this?

http://photos.velocityjournal.com/images/stk/1988/ty1988camry01.jpg

Done! --ApolloBoy 04:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Good article nomination

Reorganizing infoboxes and using footnotes in this article will make it a good "good article" nominee. - Eagle^talk 22:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sending this in for a peer review to see what else can be improved. This article seems informational enough to me. --Starcity ai 04:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Low build quality?

The article cites the Camry's "low build quality" in comparison with other models as a reason for its poor sales in Europe. Could we get a citation for this? Poor quality is not something Toyotas are usually known for. ProhibitOnions 15:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that's the reason. At least in Germany the main problem is the lack in status compared to BMW, Mercedes and Audi. For the same reason Lexus is selling only very small numbers of vehicles here too. --84.142.138.98 13:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Wrong Transmission Descriptions

The A140E is a four speed (three speed + overdrive), just like the A540's and A541s

Kanye West

Moved this in from the article, doesn't make much sense to me: "Toyota Camry is mention alot when rapper Kanye West Raps in DJ Khaled Grammy Family"

Strange, Misleading Sentence

In the Nascar section the following appears: "Although NASCAR rules state that the competing cars have to be built in the United States, the Camry slips through the cracks, as it is built in Kentucky."

Slips through the cracks? Did I miss something in US geography stating that Kentucky is a minor outlying territory instead of a commonwealth (re:state)? Saying slipping through cracks makes it sound like Toyota is sneakily sliding its way in to the competition. The Camry is fully assembled in Kentucky, a totally red blooded part of the US of A the last time I checked, making it fully eligible. The article should read as so. caz | speak 00:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Measurements

The newest generation quotes all of its measurements in millimeters, yet the old ones are all in inches. Is there some sort of rule that state it has to be in mm? Can we state it in inches and MM for the American readers? Smartmlp

Milimetres are an SI unit and are more used than inches. The conversions simple enough.(Morcus (talk) 23:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC))

miles per gallon?

I think this article, and indeed all articles about various makes of automobiles, should include information about miles per gallon. It could go in the little "stat" box on the right, even.

I suggest this because that is why *I* looked this article up, but was not able to find the information. Mpg is increasingly becoming a bigger and bigger concern for drivers.

Reliablity

I am so happy to hear that Consumer Reports no longer recommends the Camry!!!!!! TOTALLY HAD IT COMING!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.190.72 (talk) 00:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

CR Reliability Survey

As 24.11.190.72 is so intent on conveying the results of the CR 2007 Annual Car Reliability Survey, I’ve added a mention to the generation six section that does not mischaracterize CRs findings. Elcobbola 14:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Safety

Someone kept sticking a section about crash test ratings at the very end of the page, after the current generation Camry. However, the information was (supposedly) for the third generation vehicle. This is misleading as it appeared to be talking about the current car. I moved the section to the end of the third generation listing. Further, the citation for the information is out of date/cannot be located. Unless someone can back the information up, it will be removed. Avisron 22:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Camry V40

I have removed the Camry V40 from the sequential generation numbering system, as it is not considered the 4th generation Camry. It was a Japanese only model and is not considered a canon model. The 2007+ Camry is even referred to as the "6th generation Camry" in Toyota PR statements, not the seventh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.117.30.178 (talk) 21:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see this similar discussion. OSX (talk • contributions) 05:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Weight and Power / Weight ratio

I'm doing a comparison of tanks with other vehicles in terms of power and power to weight ratios, so I was looking for weights and they were missing. The latest generation 2.4L manual, for example is 3,263 pounds (1,480 kg). Thought you might want to consider adding this to your (otherwise excellent) infoboxes. Dhatfield (talk) 09:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Toyota Camry (US Version)

There seems no need (and no valid Wikipedia precedent that's sufficiently similar or relevant) to have the US version of this car broken out into its own article (Toyota Camry (US Version)). Cars where this kind of thing happens to their article, like the Ford Escort for example, which has European and North American variants' articles, have very different international versions throughout their lives. This one has very similar international versions. To help readers the info should be in one place. Even if it stays, the capital "V" should be removed. 81.178.67.229 (talk) 01:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that the old Toyota Camry article (now US Version) had information that is lost, and having to read through the Japanese Market information makes it difficult, especially on a website that is heavily read by Americans. It does not hurt to have two distinct articles, and i doubt anyone would go to the US Version article and think that it should take the place of the other, or vice versa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.249.213.57 (talk) 04:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

After reading both the Toyota Camry article and the Toyota Camry US Version article, the information appears duplicated with some variations. I suggest the article be merged to both the Toyota Camry article and the Toyota Scepter article, which is the Toyota Camry in the US, with particular attention given to make sure that information isn't lost. For what it's worth. (Dddike (talk) 16:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

I support the merge because it's always dangerous to have article splits like this because information can get out of synch. It's not difficult to format an article with sections for specific countries, and I think it would be insulting the intelligence of the average US reader (or, indeed, any other American reader) to suggest that they couldn't follow a well-presented article just because it mentioned Japan. The problem is in the layout and writing, not the merge. – Kieran T ^(talk) 16:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that the Toyota Scepter article should be merged into the Toyota Camry (US Version) article, with a name change as well. Many people outside of Japan do not know what the Scepter is, and it might be easier to search for Toyota Camry. I dont think that it should be merged with the Toyota Camry article, however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.249.213.57 (talk) 21:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

When the article "Toyota Camry" is searched, no one is going to remember to add "US Version", and the title Toyota Camry is already being used. An aslternative is to create a new article with the Japanese-spec Camry in its own site, as is currently being done for the Camry US version. Can the US version be renamed Japanese version and that the Japanese information relocated and replaced with the US version? (Dddike (talk) 21:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

It seems this is not as simple as a merge of articles. I agree the article Toyota Camry (US Version) Must go immediately, but I think in all honestly as others have said maybe make one for the JDM spec ones. I know that the JDM is it original market so it should go by that, but to people out site of Japan the numbering etc it up the creek. Maybe an article named Toyota Camry (outside JDM) would be more fitting if we must keep the Japanese numbering etc on the main article.

But having the current US Version one is creating just as many problems as it solves as the Camry sold in sold in Australasia is very popular and goes by the same numbering as the US.

I don't know what to do but something needs to change.Mbruce1 (talk) 13:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The US Version article could have a name change, but as long as the Generation designations dont change, it should be okay. The purpose of the 2nd article (US Version) is because all the Names/Dates/etc. are different for the JDM model. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.59.8.10 (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

After printing the Camry, Camry US Version and the Scepter pages and physically examing each line of all three articles, no information will be lost if the Camry US version page is deleted. I also suggest that the heading "US version" be redirected to the Scepter page, just in case anyone searches for that heading. The Scepter page clearly states in the lead article that the Scepter name is used for Japan only and that the rest of the world calls this vehicle the Camry.(Regushee (talk) 17:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC))

Your printer must be highly selective. Look at the Generation Chassis Codes and Year designations, as well as the Engine # and Transmission # information on the far right column in the US Version article ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.59.8.10 (talk) 19:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

At the very least this article should be retitled "Toyota Camry (JDM Version)" with the appropriate link the the US Version article at the top of the page. It is ridculous that an owner of a top-selling US car should have to look up an entirely different article about the unknown "Toyota Scepter" to find information about his/her car. 71.134.252.36 (talk) 07:02, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Demerger?

Could there be a possibility of demerging the six Toyota Camry generations? -- Bull-Doser (talk) 15:10, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I do hope not. I see it as a cause of confusion, not a solution. The best way to represent complicated multi-generation naming is in one well-written article. – Kieran T ^(talk) 15:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh Dear God No. Kieran T, you are absolutely correct. I can just see the edit wars starting over which Camry/Scepter model deserves prominence on the main Camry page. Demerging works when there is a ton of information on each particular generation. Ford Mustang for example. If enough verifiable information with genuine external references has been accumulated on each particular generation, to the point that the article is enormous, then demerging may be a possibility. However, this article is no where near that stage. There are other articles that need more attention from Toyota. Like maybe the Toyota Crown for instance. Or the newly discovered Toyota Tiara. (Regushee (talk) 15:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC))

Most recently, the Toyota Corolla and Volkswagen Golf pages have been demerged. -- Bull-Doser (talk) 23:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)