Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rolando Gomez (2nd nomination)

Rolando Gomez

This article, authored primarily about its subject, was subject to a previous AFD in July 2006. There, there was no real consensus, as much of the page was flooded by the subject/author's pleas to keep the article. As it stands, the article does not really demonstrate that the subject is notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. I was originally directed to this article because of its authorship and questionable content for notability purposes. It is time that this autobiographical puff piece be sent into the trash bin.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Sorry, but where's the claim to notability? And the sources? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 20:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not properly sourced, probable conflict of interest.--Boffob (talk) 21:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletions. – David Eppstein (talk) 23:01, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep Seems notable as primarily as author. No doubt a COI, but no outrageous claims are made. Johnbod (talk) 23:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The links quoted should be sufficient to establish notability. The article already went through one AFD, how many AFD's do articles go through? I believe there are underlying reasons to the deletion, as stated above, "I was originally directed to this article because of its authorship and questionable content for notability purposes." What does this say for Wikipedia, that those with deletion powers can be biased based on perhaps a stalker, competitor, or jealous person's remarks? Why not post who directed you and why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.191.15.133 (talk) 04:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't think the article should necessarily be deleted, as I think the subject passes WP:N, but the information must be properly sourced, and only information from reliable third-party sources must be used. It would need the Heymann Standard for a keep. Jeremiah (talk) 03:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree, see *Lexar Elites as just one of many examples for credible sources--this is from a publicly traded corporation on the Stock Exchange that honored Gomez with "Elite" status over six years ago along with other notable photographers listed on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.38.112.174 (talk) 05:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Expand The article passed the first AFD, it looks bad if Wikipedia will constantly challenge articles, that have only been updated but not violated any standards. AFD 2nd nomination? What happens after it passes the 2nd? Do we do a 3rd, in two years? Think of the precedence these additional AFD's will cause for additional workload on voting member editors? What are we doing here? Now to answer some proper sourcing, simple "Google" will bring you to see outside source information, like the non-profit, Palm Beach Photographic Center organization, http://www.workshop.org/pages/rolando_gomez_glamour_lighting.html or Imaging Info, http://www.digitalimagingmag.com/publication/article.jsp?id=1477&pubId=2 or http://www.imaginginfo.com/publication/article.jsp?pubId=3&id=65&pageNum=2 and more examples, http://www.glamour1.com/about/tearsheets/rolandogomez.php and http://www.henselusa.com/rolandogomez.html and http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Sep06/showpage.taf?page=24 (the latter a national publication and written by author Michelle Perkins) http://www.lexar.com/dp/pro_photo/rgomez.html (a publicly traded corporation) and http://www.samys.com/newsletters/2007-02-consumer.php (the largest camera store chain in California) and http://www.af.mil/news/airman/0202/lajes.html (U.S. Airforce) to name a few. What more sourcing do you need, his DD214 from the U.S. Army? A copy of his diploma? Would we require everyone in Wiki to send copies of their college diploma's, honorable discharge certificates, birth certificates, etc? I'm sure they could be scanned and provided, but that leads to privacy issues with social security numbers. Thoughts? 74.38.112.174 (talk) 14:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- — 74.38.112.174 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 20:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC) (UTC).[reply]
~~Keep~~ I am appalled at the inputs questioning the integrity of Rolando Gomez in reference to the information listed on Wikipedia. I have known Rolando for almost 10 years. I am very familiar with his background, experience and achievements and I have seen his official DD Form 214 listing his military time in service, awards and decorations. I can also confirm that he earned his bachelor’s degree in communication and electronic media while working at the Air Force News Agency in San Antonio and his selection as the agency’s 1997 senior-level civilian of the year. Rolando worked for me as chief of multimedia at the agency and it was a great loss to the Air Force when he decided to leave the agency to pursue his current endeavors. He is now one of the top glamour photographers in the country, an exceptional speaker and a noted author on the subject of glamour photography. I served 26 years in the Air Force as a combat photographer in Vietnam and public relations officer in Saudi Arabia during operations Desert Storm and Desert Shield, and I am upset over innuendos besmirching the career of a fellow military veteran. I do not know if those commenting have any military experience, but if they do, they know that military records are official government documents and Rolando can provide any documentation of his military and civilian achievements to squelch these malicious comments. I still work at the agency as an Air Force civilian employee in senior management and proud to serve beside military service members and civilian employees like Rolando. -- Jeff Whitted, deputy for public affairs operations [jeff.whitted(at)afnews.af.mil] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.191.15.133 (talk) 21:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please understand that the questioning of this article is not in regards to "the integrity of Rolando Gomez in reference to the information listed on Wikipedia." The issue is whether there are enough available third-party sources (see WP:N and WP:V) that can allow an editor to write an article without performing any original research. Jeremiah (talk) 00:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This IP has already commented on this discussion, and it appears that all individuals who are using it have a vested interest in whether or not the article remains on Wikipedia. The IP who brought the article to DRV is the same who said this article should be kept here, and now it was said twice.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The lack of citations from reliable sources means that this article fails to comply with the verifiability policy. Stifle (talk) 12:46, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There are no verifiable third-party references to establish notability.freshacconci talktalk 16:40, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per AFD, if an article can be improved through regular editing it is not a good candidate for AfD. This does seem to be an accomplished, award-wining photographer who has authored several books on the subject and speaks and advises on the subject. Clean-up, add sourcing and spell out notability upfront and clearly per WP:Lede. ::Banjeboi 20:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree, per AFD, if an article can be improved through regular editing it is not a good candidate for AfD. I'm very aware of this photographer, I've seen him speak at national conventions and I have spoken along side him. These events have included Photo Plus Expo in New York and Photo Imaging and Design in San Diego, and I can attest to his notable credibility. He has authored several books on the subject and speaks and advises on the subject in many venues. I might add, from my 20 plus years of professional experience in celebrity and advertising photography, you cannot "just speak or lecture" at these notable venues unless you have some serious credentials. To sum it up, clean it up, add sourcing as recommended. Jerry Avenaim (talk) 00:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What does "Keep per AFD" mean? I'm suggesting that this article should be deleted because there are no non-biased third party sources that support that this man is notable. All that was there was a list of external links to his works, references in another sense.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - There were plenty of links, which you deleted, off the original article-that were from third-parties, but somehow you label them as biased? On what grounds? When Lexar selects and Elite Photographer, does that make that photographer's biography on their web site biased and inaccurate? When Photo District News (PDN) posts a news release, in PDF format, does that make PDN biased--when in fact PDN is a monthly news magazine on photography. When an author of another book dedicates an entire chapter on Gomez, does that make that editor biased and does that mean their comments in their own book are inaccurate? You are splitting hairs here and accusing others that have selected Gomez to speak or feature him at their venues as biased? Doesn't make sense. I think there needs to be a serious review of what makes an link biased or not and you also appear very biased at deleting, instead of being proactive and helping, because you were the original admin that deleted this article and now your own pride is involved--that is a perception that is apparent simply by looking at the logs of this debate and the article where you keep deleting links and moving discussions over to other pages--I can assure you this comment will be moved by you unfairly as you've done others, but yet your comment for Mr. Avenaim, will stay. Now where is the bias? 74.38.112.174 (talk) 02:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]