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"Usually does not contain casein"

I'm removing this part, since there's no citation and it isn't consistent with my personal experience. I'll replace it with "Soy cheese sometimes contains casein, a milk protein." Djk3 (talk) 21:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I did some research on this a few years ago in southern california. A big table I made is at b:User:Kellen/Scratch#Commercial_Vegan_Substitutions. In particular the "Rella" brands often contain casein; VeganRella is vegan, TofuRella and AlmondRella were not at the time of my research. Obviously this isn't citable, but it's a data point. Kellen^T 15:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing up this article

I reworded the introductory paragraph so that it is more neutral and doesn't make value claims about soy cheese. I also removed three of the pictures. One is enough, since this article is rather small, and I think that we should opt for the "regular" cheese (slices) photo without the brand-name showing. I think that further changes should be made, but I thought I should ask for opinions here before doing so. I think that the list of flavors should be removed, as it isn't very encyclopedic. Additionally, I think that most of the external links should be removed. There is a huge number of them, and this is a very small article. The article also very heavily focuses on the Follow Your Heart and Sheese (Bute Island) brands. The references should not be those companies that produce the soy cheese, but independent sources. Please let me know what you think about this! I'll follow through on a few of the changes in a week or two if nobody weighs in. Djk3 (talk) 06:54, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've made some substantial changes. My edits to the external links are well-justified by Wikipedia:External Links, and I think we might go even further by removing the blog links. That doesn't seem like a huge deal to me right now, though. I think that the next order of business is to provide citations from respected sources, rather than just the soy cheese manufacturers, and then to expand the article! Djk3 (talk) 08:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Call for semi-protection due to constant vandalism

This article is obviously vandalized by a certain user (Djk3), for personal "war inside the Wikipedia" reasons.
The goal of those "edits" seems to be the complete eradication or rewriting of this article to a stadium, where it is useless or almost useless for people, who seek actual information about soy cheese.
My personal opinion is, that this "user" is one of the impostors, claiming to be somebody else, and actually doing destructive work for certain interest groups (in this case probably the milk lobby?).
Most of the claims of this user are not backed and only showing his complete ignorance towards this foodstuff. For example, all soy cheese I ever purchased was lower in fat and completely free of any casein. Everybody who is used to eating soy cheese (like real vegans), knows this plain fact.
This page should be edited by editors watching about a great variety of other vegan articles. If necessary, I will take all required steps to ensure, that this article is watched over properly and edited by people, who care about the exact content.
More info - Wikipedia:Edit war [1].
Daimakaicho (talk) 06:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, lord. Djk3 (talk) 07:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Go to Hell with your Lord you little slug. And have some fun there :-D Daimakaicho (talk) 07:16, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:NPA and WP:AGF. Kellen^T 12:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. I'm watching the article now, but I haven't gone through the whole history and from the little I have seen up to now, it is not obvious that Djk3 has such vile intentions. In any case, I don't think sending em to hell is a solution, or even very appropriate to mention. And though slugs may be sentient beings, they are usually unable to edit Wikipedia articles, so I believe Djk3 is not one. David Olivier (talk) 14:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not forced to stay in the Wikipedia or to contribute or anything if one of you can (yourself or asking any other trusted editors) ensure that this article will prevail/grow/improve and not being constantly deleted/rewritten to the form of an almost useless stub (that's exactly what this "editor" did, and I consider this as vandalism).

Wikipedia is one of the 10 most popular/known pages on the entire internet, and this is creating some unwanted frictions (like certain special interest groups "editing" unwanted articles partially down to invisibility/insignificance).

This article needs monitoring by several vegan editors. It is probably even one of those, which should be semi of fully protected. There is a huge controversy over milk and lactose intolerance going on, and the article on milk has been protected already long time ago.

If this one user shows any kind of contribution to the article, fine. But so far I have seen only reverting and deleting and rewriting into a stub-form, contrary to all the other contributors in this case. This seems fairly strange, considering all other circumstances (he claims to be a vegan, the article is very small and needing positive improvements, it is a subject of great interest for vegans, there is a huge controversy around dairy cheese/factory farming/lactose going on with a lot of really big companies involved fearing declining profits).

I greatly miss a semi-protection for people, who do not use the DEL button. Especially in serious articles. And a consensus about monitoring of articles by people, who actually contribute to the given subject positively and in a constructive way.

Daimakaicho (talk) 14:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removing unverifiable information is central to maintaining wikipedia. It is foolish to attribute a specific POV to someone based on their removal of unverifiable statements. Kellen^T 15:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aroma

Have removed the following statement as unreferenced and it doesn't seem true to me. The reason toasted soy cheese doesn't smell like toasted dairy cheese is because it's not!

"This results from the methods of preparation of soy cheese kinds - until today most brands are assembled like a type of design food, and not using a natural method (fermentation, maturing process)."

78.151.174.92 (talk) 10:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Casein-free, non-soy "cheeses"

I removed Chreese and Veganrella from the 2nd paragraph, about vegan, casein-free products. Those products are not soy cheeses. Chreese is made from yeast, and Veganrella from brown rice. Since this article is about soy cheese, any discussion over the issue of casein content could include mention of non-soy vegan cheese products, but how about in a subsection, not in the article's head. Also, those products, if mentioned, should not be stated to be soy products. --99.163.50.12 (talk) 20:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]