Talk:Table of keyboard shortcuts

This article was nominated for deletion on 20/6/2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

For the discussion about the warning header, please see below.

Merge

I created this page as it presents a better layout and comparison between different desktop environments than List of common keyboard shortcuts. Most of it is adapted from the spreadsheet at http://people.mandriva.com/~fcrozat/shortcuts/shortcuts2.gnumeric.

I think having the two separate pages is suboptimal, for the usual reasons. I think we should pick a presentation format and use it. I prefer the format of Table of keyboard shortcuts page. What do others think? --DragonHawk 01:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Moves keyboard focus to next/previous control"

So in web browsers this would be, move the cursor focus to the next form field/link, right? Well Tab/Shift+Tab (forward/back) do this in Windows, but not in GNOME as specified. I have no idea how to tab backwards in GNOME, it's driving me insane. 128.250.37.103 04:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Possible shortcuts

I recently discovered that Alt+Esc on WinXP sends the current window to the back (thus effectively cyclicly switching to the next window.) Should this be added to the table?--EnderA 07:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shift-Del

Shift-Del was removed by Tytrox as an alternative to ctrl+x

'(shift+del permanently deletes the file from memory bypassing recycle bin (on here it was listed as an alternative to ctrl+x "cut file to memory")'

while this is true for deleting files in windows, the action for this key states "Cut the selected area and store it in the clipboard"; it works the same as ctrl-x when editing text, images etc..

I have re-added Shift-Del, a small note/warning about files could be added, although i don't see this as dangerous since Windows will ask confirmation anyway before performing this action Skullers 17:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"the action for this key states "Cut the selected area and store it in the clipboard"; it works the same as ctrl-x when editing text, images etc.." show me where on Windows that this is so, specifically where it states the description of the action. Tytrox 14:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

sry i meant that it's only different in the case of files, while the description in the table on this page says area, which is correct (in most cases same as ctrl-x). Skullers 04:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Table of Microsoft Office keyboard Shortcuts for BOTH windows and Mac! Don't forget laptop derrivations!

this would be useful. Don't forget Fn key for macbook pros. Thanks.

Fn +F6 changes between slide, notes, and outline in powerpoint. what is it to get to full screen in powerpoint on a mac? in windows it is F5 i think. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.151.239.82 (talk) 03:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

"symbol shortcuts"

The section about "symbol shortcuts" is confusing. It does not mention what OS it works with, and it is badly written. Unless someone improves it, I will remove it. Claesh1

I have now removed the symbols shortcuts section Claesh1

Request for shortcuts for text-editing

would like to request someone add a table of shortcuts for text editing. For examp, in Mac applications (OS X, Cocoa API) that support text editing, usually support the minimal set of emacs conventions. e.g. Ctrl-f to move forward. Besides these set, Mac support some standard itself. e.g. opt-arrow to jump by word. opt-shift-arrow to jump by word while selecting. Xah Lee 10:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mac OS menu key shortcuts

The F10 key in Mac OS X gives keyboard focus to the menu bar where you can arrow around to the menus. I'd add it to the table but wtf that markup is unreadable —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 20:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No References

I apreciate that under the "See Also" Section, there is a list of some websites containing keyboard shortcuts, but I feel that references should be added to the article to verify that the shortcuts listed are correct, as I'm sure many people who read the article won't know if the data is correct.

The only problem that I can see with doing this is that pages would probably have to be found that list more than one keyboard shortcut, otherwise the reference section may become longer than the article itself! However I'm sure that this would be feasible to overcome if someone had the time and patience to find some good references.

On another minor note the "See Also" section contains external links, often in Wikipedia articles these are listed under "External Links", not "See Also".

Unless someone objects I feel that the above changes should be made. --Dave (talk) 23:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ctrl + Backspace / Ctrl + Del

They delete whole words (or, more precisely, until the next word beginning to the left/right) under WinXP, maybe elsewhere, too? Unfortunately it is not consistently available across applications/text field types; but in most/the important ones. Though it is not all generally available, I suggest adding it, as it is a total killer feature to me - I use it all the time (Ctrl + Backspace).

At least in one application, Ctrl+Del deletes not only until the next word beginning to the right, but until the end of the line. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EdiTor (talk • contribs) 21:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warning header

This page is marked with a warning header "This article or section contains instructions, advice, or how-to content. The purpose of Wikipedia is to present facts, not to teach subject matter...." I recommend that this warning header should be removed.

The article presents facts, and in a pretty cut-and-dry format. The facts in this case are that certain keyboard combinations on certain systems produce certain behaviors. The table layout is, in this perspective, simply an (attempt at) an exhaustive list of examples.

Nowhere does it explicitly instruct people how to use keyboard shortcuts. Some how-to instruction is of course implicit in the subject matter, but so would it be in a discussion of Library of Congress subject headings, for example. And when you parse the disclaimer, presenting facts IS a form of teaching subject matter. But this isn't a step-by-step, it doesn't extort the values of keyboard shortcuts, it doesn't recommend their use -- it just lists keyboard shortcuts.

I came here looking for facts, and found them. The fact I searched for was "which keyboard combination on a certain system results in a particular behavior?" I found it here.

Remove the banner, and let this article stand as is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.98.88.22 (talk) 01:29, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I perfectly agree. I've removed the header. Dragice (talk) 22:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OS vs application

Is it true that *all* text editors and web browsers under the various operating systems use the same shortcut keys? The shortcut keys for text editing and formatting and web browsers would seem to me to be more application-specific, or at least I'd expect notes saying "well, firefox uses this shortcut, while IE uses this other one" or "OpenOffice uses this shortcut, while MSOffice uses this other one". Does anyone have insight about this? Petronivs (talk) 16:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]