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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 150.140.225.175 (talk) at 00:21, 26 October 2008 (why you so mad?). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Whoever said tough luck is being rude and I do not like that. I will not edit that for a long time.


Byzantine / Eastern Roman emperors

I'm not 100% sure why you're changing 'Byzantine Emperor' to 'Eastern Roman Emperor' in the infoboxes of rulers that extend clear until the eighth century. It is true that some people consider the word Byzantine inaccurate or a misnomer; but it is also true that as a term it is widely, widely used and accepted in historical scholarship, and thus on Wikipedia. It is pretty uncommon on the other hand to refer the the 'Eastern Roman' emperors decades and centuries after there is no longer a Western portion. It might be appropriate for some of the earlier emperors, but for Wikipedia's consistency with mainstream sources, I think 'Byzantine' would be a better choice in many cases. Brando130 (talk) 14:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

tough luck 74.72.11.32, all your edits were reverted. all your "work" gone... 150.140.225.175 (talk) 20:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --Dr.K. (talk) 18:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop changing Byzantine to Eastern without consensus. Please discuss this on the talk page of the articles. Dr.K. (talk) 18:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First let me say that I'm not speaking for 74.72.11.32's behalf, I am just stating my opinion. Respectful scholars like John Haldon (who is known authority in "Byzantine" period) make extensive, almost exclusive, use of the term "Eastern Roman". Let alone that "Byzantines" were themselves called Romans and never used a term invented by the French scholarship for benevolent AND malicious reasons. Even more, still in early 1800s, Greeks called themselves "Romans" as Turks still do for the orthodox christians. I agree that a discussion on the article's talk page would be more constructive but I smell another "Julian vs Julian the Apostate" endless debate... Dipa1965 (talk) 18:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What the above are saying. Wikipedia articles follow the usage of reliable sources. As such, please don't change to alternate terminology without both new sources, and talkpage consensus. --Elonka 19:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think we all agree that as a mimimum any sweeping changes should be taken at the talk page of the articles to gain consensus. It is also clear IMO that there is no such consensus at present. Dr.K. (talk) 20:20, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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