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Nitrates in Hot Dogs

In the ingredients section it is stated that hot dogs contain nitrates; however, all the hot dogs I have bought contain nitrites as opposed to nitrates. I wonder if this section might contain a typo, as these two anions are easily confused. From my assay of various processed meats I have found nitrates to be very uncommon.

128.61.92.32 (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indicative of Poor Standard of American Cuisine

Globally American cuisine is,and always has,seen as one of the poorest in the world, with an over reliance on salt and sugar to mask cheap and nastly foodstuffs. The hot dog is seen as being a symbol of this. Should this be mentioned somewhere in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.108.159 (talk) 18:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, if you can find reliable sources saying that. PubliusFL (talk) 18:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Top Dog EL inclusion

It doesn't say anywhere in the article that hot dogs are ever made with anything but the usual hot dog sausage, which is why I included a link to Top Dog's website. For those who are unfamiliar with Top Dog, it's a SF Bay Area chain of several restaurants (not sure of the exact number) that sells hot dogs with other sausages. It is not an online vendor, and its mail order business is almost completely unused. Bulk orders are sometimes placed at the restaurants themselves. If it's felt that such a link is only marginally related to the topic, that's quite a valid complaint, as the sole purpose of the link is to offer evidence of hot dogs made with other sausages. It is most certainly not valid to say that adding such a link is "commercial" or is a link to an "online vendor", because it is not possible to order any sausages or buns from their website. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (talk) 19:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I won't revert again because I don't want to edit war. But I thought the link was inappropriate because the site does not provide much informative content about the subject of the article, it primarily advertises the restaurants and their products. So it feels like an advertising link to me. It's certainly not apparent from the site alone that the "mail order" link, which is one of the primary sections of the site, is "almost completely unused." I apologize for being unclear when I used the word "online" in describing them as an "online direct vendor." My point is not that they sell products via an online shopping cart, but that they sell products directly to consumers, and their web site exists to promote that business. That seems to me to be a relevant distinction from the link to the National Hot Dog & Sausage Council, which does not sell products directly. The link to Top Dog would be the only external link in the article promoting a business that would actually like to sell directly to consumers. We don't even have an external link directly to Nathan's, which is a far more notable chain. I'm afraid this would invite a blood of new ELs to hot dog and sausage vendors. PubliusFL (talk) 23:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you were to revert one more time, I wouldn't revert again after that, because I, too, do not wish to edit war...at least not past the 3RR. As for more famous hot dog vendors not having links, I'm sure there are links in the Wikipedia article for those vendors. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (talk) 00:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly didn't mean to sex u up that you actually were edit warring, and I'm sorry if I appeared to be saying that you were doing anything improper. That's not what I meant. :) Anyways, the more famous hot dog vendors probably do have links to their web pages from the articles about them, but that's standard for articles about companies. Linking to commercial web sites from articles about generic products is different. It's reasonable to assume that someone reading Nathan's Famous is looking for information about that company, so providing a link to the company's site from that article doesn't have the effect of promoting the company to people not already looking for it. But it's not as reasonable to assume that someone reading Hot dog is specifically looking for information about a particular company that sells hot dogs. It's like the difference between putting a link to Microsoft's home page in Microsoft versus in Computer software. The first is uncontroversial, the second probably would be very controversial. In short, it's the difference between point #1 in WP:ELYES and point #14 in WP:ELNO. PubliusFL (talk) 16:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect redirect

Liberty pups redirects to the hot dog article. It should actually redirect to the article on dachshunds. I'm not sure how to correct it. Would someone else be willing to do it? kc12286 (talk) 05:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Taken care of. The only other possibility for redirecting it would be to the hotdog disambiguation page. VMS Mosaic (talk) 18:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Advertisement for Nathan's

Just wondering - why does a certain manufacturer of sausages and similar stuff have to be mentioned who doesn't have anything to do with the invention / original production of the franks or wieners, but seems to simply sell them a lot nowadays, though certainly not without the competition, whereas his competitors are not mentioned at all?

minor corrections

1. "bacteria" is plural, make it "a bacterium", or "a bacterial species" 2. Sausages do not contain nitrate, even if added. It is converted to nitrite, which in turn reacts with heme in myoglobin to form nitrosohemochrome. Residual nitrite is on the order of 50 ppm or less. Some reaction products - nitrosamines - have been linked to cancer if fed at high doses. Free nitrite has been found to cause vasodilation - and lower blood pressure. Gigemag76 (talk) 15:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]