Talk:Rickrolling

Rickrolling is currently a Engineering good article nominee. Nominated by an unspecified nominator at 02:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

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On 2008-09-16, Rickrolling was linked from Digg, a high-traffic website. (Traffic)

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Duckroll

Should we have an image of Duckroll, now that it's been established that it's certifiably the origin of the meme? It seems kinda useful that we've got something which can quite easily display the meme's origins, and I'm certain many users would find it illustrative of the history of rickroll.Methulah (talk) 22:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also like to see the origin of Duckroll explained. I remember reading that the admin of 4chan decided to wordfilter "egg" into "duck" out of whim, and some 4chan users ended up posting the word "duckroll" when they intended to type "eggroll". It would be great if someone could verify this. 88.112.192.69 (talk) 11:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can see a copyright issue arising with the duckroll image in that it would be hard (probably impossible) to find out who originally created the image so to properly attribute the source. Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 12:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It would be fair use so figuring out the owner is not needed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scientus (talk • contribs)
  - Wikipedia policy requires attribution of the image source if the image is used under a claim of fair use. See Item 10 in the Fair Use Policy. Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Actually, I just added a piece about "Dickrolling" in the origin section. I distinctly recall seeing "dickrolls" circa 2001-2003, and "duckrolls" much, much later around 2004-2006. "Duckrolls" were the "anti-dickrolls", so to speak. Users at the time became very cautious about clicking on random internet links out of fear of being dickrolled. However, when they were actually "duckrolled", they became pleasantly surprised. This was all then followed by getting "rickrolled", thus perpetuating this meme. I don't check or edit wikipedia pages often, but I believe that I am a good source for this matter. If you need more information please contact me at gqtstyle@gmail.com.

MTV Europe Music Awards

The MTV Europe Music Awards have been rickrolled when 4chan, as well as several other forums (I believe ultimate guitar forum actually started it), voted to have Rick Astley nominated. He accepted the nomination and may quite possibly win, which would be probably the largest rickroll ever. Someone add this to the article, I'm not sure where to add it in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.106.103.47 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 4 October 2008

McCain getting Barack Rolled

Should this be mentioned in examples? i think it's worth mentioning since it shows him getting "Barack-rolled" in front of hundreds of people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiQCJXpbKg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.250.254 (talk) 13:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's faked. Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 14:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade on NBC 2008

I'm not sure how to cite it, but we all just got Rickrolled by the parade. As the parade float for Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends from Cartoon Network arrived to the front of Macy's, the music suddenly changed and Rick Astley himself came out to lipsync to Never Gonna Give You Up. As the edit of the song finished, one of the puppet characters says "I like rickrolling". I have no idea if there's a specific episode of the show that this might tie to or not. Acroyear (talk) 16:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's no specific episode that it ties into as far as I know, although they are airing a special called "Destination: Imagination" tonight, which was mentioned during the parade, so there's a small but unlikely chance that it ties in. My best guess would be to find footage of the parade and use that as a citation. Also, to be specific, the puppet character in question is Cheese. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 18:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The song wikilink is incorrect, I'm trying to find the correct version of the song. Titles are alike, so therein lies the confustication... Edit Centric (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know what 70's tv show that this song is from? I know that much, remember hearing it back then... Edit Centric (talk) 19:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FOUND IT! The version of the song is from the tv show The Courtship of Eddie's Father, aired on ABC. Edit Centric (talk) 19:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rickrolling/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Well written?: Very well written - I see no spelling or grammar mistakes, and the article is very clear. My only small concern is that WP:MOS states that words should very rarely be put in bold for emphasis - I'm not sure if "rickrolled" and "duckrolled" necessarily need to be bold.
Factually accurate?: Referencing was generally well-done, though I have two main concerns. The first is the various "citation needed" tags in subheading 1.5. Citations should definitely be found for these. My other concern is that some of the references are simply YouTube links - while these are okay (ie. reference 48 does show that the mentioned video was watched over 3.3 million times (and on that note, this figure could probably be updated)) IMO YouTube is not the best reliable source. Facts that are verifiable only by a YouTube video are probably not necessary in the article, but finding more reputable sources would be great.
Broad in coverage?: Two concerns here: firstly, IMO a section about the history of the song itself could be useful to give more context. Secondly, while examples are good, I feel as though there may be too many examples. For instance, subheading 1.10 doesn't seem too necessary to me (though, I would consider keeping 1.10.1). Notably, also, the majority of the article is examples. While the introduction section is good, the second and third paragraphs could probably be moved to their own subheading, about rickrolling's history or origins, as their contents are not discussed in the rest of the article.
Neutral point of view?: Very well done.
Article stability?: At the moment, this is my biggest concern. The article had it's semi-protection removed just yesterday! We should wait a while (at minimum a week) to ensure that there will not be excessive vandalism to this page before promoting it. On a side note, while writing this review, an edit was made then reverted, which may be problematic if it continues as a trend.
Images?: Looks good - pictures are definitely useful here.

I am thus putting the GA nomination of this article on hold. All of the points aside from article stability can certainly be fixed, but for now, we will have to wait and see if the article is stable, as discussed. However, overall, this is a great article, and I learned a significant amount from it. Firebat08 (talk) 00:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of other things to consider over the next week: (1) people such as Carson and Rick should not be referred to by their first name only, (2) more information could be added to the references, such as making sure that each has a publisher and access date, (3) consistent formatting of references would be nice -- 2008-04-15 or 4 April 2008, but not both, (4) the Dan Kaminsky and Michelle Obama sections are single sentences. Can more be said?, (5) the reference in the "Barack Roll" section should be fixed. Hope this helps. GaryColemanFan (talk) 07:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One more...the worldview tag needs to be addressed and removed. Nikki♥311 20:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In my opinion the lead should summarize the whole article more and the examples section should be made into more prose instead of a list. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The page looks great now! All of my concerns have been addressed, and I especially like how the introduction and first couple sections of the page have developed. Nice job. Firebat08 (talk) 23:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rickrolling Timeline

Origin section currently shows the first use of Rickrolling to be in March of 2007. This is not accurate. I would estimate the first usage of rickrolling to actually have been sometime in 2005. This particular information needs to be revised. Rickrolling was on the World of Warcraft forums long before 2007. I cannot give a definitive timeline, but date of origin should be discussed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.207.120.233 (talk) 18:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to point out that It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia successfully Rickrolled its fans in the episode "Charlie Has Cancer," which aired August 23, 2005. Two years before this supposed 4chan duckrolling nonsense.

2008 Macy's Thanksgiving Parade

This was HILARIOUS! I think many kudos should go to the organizers of the parade for being THAT current with the times, and kudos to US, the Wikipedians, for getting the event up inside the article so fast! Edit Centric (talk) 19:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Worldwide tag

The simple reason that i have tagged this is that the examples section is biased towards american examples whereas people from many parts of the world were probably rickrolled. Simply south (talk) 17:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]