User talk:Pedro

Hello

More than a year and a half ago, I was indefinitely blocked as a sock of a banned user. There was a proposed ban of someone making legal threats. I thought the user was a bad user but that we needed to point out the exact phrase used and consider whether it was or was not a legal threat. This was because the ban discussion was degenerating into a "I don't like this user" discussion. Immediately, someone wrongly thought this was defending a bad user and concluded that anyone that defends another user must be a sock. Even the two administrators proposing the ban did not think I was a sock. It took months to get unblocked. The wisdom of the unblock has been proven with over a year of good editing.

I see your comment on a RFA which states "Virtually 100% edit summary use since the word go". If someone were mean (and this happens often in Wikipedia), an administrator could say that this is evidence that the person is a sock and that Thehelpfulone should be blocked. I wish Wikipedia is not so harsh a place. I am slowly warming up to Wikipedia but being mistreated is traumatic. Occasionally, I even question whether I should donate my time and contributions to Wikipedia because of this. Healing is a slow process.

Chergles (talk) 17:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to take my time and work a response to this. As an immediate reaction I would say that there are many times I rue the day I signed up. But there are many times I'm so glad I can help. Pedro : Chat 20:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure there is much I can add to my statement above. I can only assure you that despite certain injustices and poor admin actions, generally WP is only as bad as you make it. I see your point about editors who seems unreasonably knowlegable from the word go, but WP:AGF says that there are many reasons for this (editing as an IP, experience on ther wikis etc). I hope you continue to warm to the place, and feel free to use me as a sounding board anytime. Very Best. Pedro : Chat 08:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Retiring

Just thought you'd like to know that I've given you a mention here. Sincerly, D.M.N. (talk) 17:54, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thanks

		The RfA Barnstar
		Pedro, I would like to thank you for your participation in my recent Request for Adminship, which passed with 112 supports, 4 opposes and 5 neutrals. A special mention goes out to Stwalkerster and Pedro for nominating me, thanks a lot for having trust in me! In response to the neutrals, I will try to double check articles that have been tagged for speedy deletion before I CSD them and will start off slowly with the drama boards of ANI and AN to ensure that I get used to them. In response to the oppose !votes on my RfA, I will check that any images I use meet the non-free content criteria and will attempt to handle any disputes or queries as well as I can. If you need my help at all, feel free to simply ask at my talk page and I'll see if I can help. Once again, thank you for your participation, and have a great day! :) The Helpful One 22:13, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

design by neurolysis | to add this barnstar to your awards page, simply copy and paste {{subst:User:Neurolysis/THOBS}} and remove this bottom text | if you don't like thankspam, please accept my sincere apologies

A special thanks to you also for nominating me, if I have any questions, I won't hesitate to ask! :) The Helpful One 22:14, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the WTF barnstar should have been better...

		The Socratic Barnstar
		Per your extremely well written and sophisticated comment at the RfA talk page, I award you this barnstar. X clamation point 21:46, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh! Thank you!! Pedro : Chat 21:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This edit

Just out of curiosity, how recent does vandalism have to be in order not to be considered stale? Thanks. Auntof6 (talk) 09:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From an IP very recent - pretty much less than an hour. Remember that many IP's are shared or dynamic, so blocking can have an effect on an individual who was actually trying to help. If there is long term IP abuse then that's different - but it's best dealt with at WP:ANI for a full consideration. Remember blocking is preventative - unless there is activity right at the time of reporting then we are not really preventing harm to the encyclopedia. Pedro : Chat 09:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I understand that IPs can be shared. I thought this might qualify because ALL of the edits were vandalism -- to me it seemed enough of a pattern, since there's no indication of any constructive edits from this IP. Auntof6 (talk) 20:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for Rollbacker

Thanks for permitting me to use rollback. I'll be careful with it --Sultec (talk) 15:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Pedro...

Quick question.... why are the reasons behind deleting the "Explicit Error" page? I made sure all the necessary information for the wiki on one of my favorite notable musicians was correct and listed properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.71.42 (talk) 16:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The page did not assert any notability - MySpace and his home website are not reliable third party sources that prove why this DJ is notable. I'll be pleased to recreate the article as a sub-page of your user space to work on, providing you can verify third party sources demonstrating the importance of the subject. Pedro : Chat 21:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NPWatcher

Hi Pedro, over a week ago I added my request for NPWatcher here, but to no avail. Since you're one of the administrators that commonly patrols that page, I'm wondering if you could tell me what other qualifications I should have to be approved for NPWatcher. I've patrolled over 300 pages^[1] and I know 'the policy'. Thanks for your time, αЯβιτЯαЯιŁΨθ ^(talk) 16:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Sorry for the delay. Pedro : Chat 20:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot Pedro! αЯβιτЯαЯιŁΨθ ^(talk) 23:38, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey dude

This NPwater business - is this a macro or script that I am unware of, or a flag?. Lately, I've been delving back into the world of NPP, so it may be useful. Care to grant access? Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 18:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eek - many messages - give me half an hour to sort out one of my customers and I'll be back in the world of non paying work! Pedro : Chat 20:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Pedro : Chat 20:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meant to say - nah, it's a nice GUI that lets you look at th enew page feed and semi automagically slap on CSD, AFD, PROD basically. Probably no substitute for old school style, but let me know how you get on with it. Pedro : Chat 20:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

rollback

Message from XENU^{u, t} has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Thanks for approving my rollback request! Message from XENU^{u, t} 18:37, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome - don't break the wiki with it :) Pedro : Chat 20:50, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

11/27/08

The reason for sockpuppetry is that I left my computer open. I will never trust the Wikipedia community like this again, not let anybody else do so, and will treat the Wikipedia community potentially seriously, no sockpuppetry of indefinitely blocked users or IPs. Any more sockpuppetry destroys Wikipedia. MH LU^talk 21:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your WP:AGF has not gone AWOL. You're serious. MH LU^talk 21:37, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll see what I can find about the circumstances of your block, but I still would appeciate other admin / non admin input regarding your request at the request page. Pedro : Chat 21:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please tell me why my user page signifies I've semi-retired? If it is the template, you've looked at the wrong page. MH LU^talk 23:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it was the temaplate - apologies. Pedro : Chat 07:44, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You used to have a different username?

...[1]? —Ceran ♦ ♦ (speak) 00:31, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm so confused. —Ceran ♦ ♦ (speak) 00:32, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I used to have another one before that! I changed to Pedro1999a for privacy reasons and then usurped Pedro - it's almost impossible these days to get any "real" names unless you usurp as they've all been registered already. Pedro : Chat 07:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, I'm familiar with usernames. ;) —Ceran ♦ ♦ (speak) 17:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

City Chamber Orchestra of Hong Kong

Thanks for saving the article for deletion (or rather, taking notice of my objection). On a side topic, it's interesting how those vandals who create random pages never use the {{hangon}} template on the pages they create. Cheers! Vltava 68 (contribs)) 01:39, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most welcome. The big bad admins don't delete everything!. One of the key things for me is the under-construction tag - that shows an experienced editor and there is no excuse to speedy articles under construction unless the tag is used in bad faith or the article is blatant spam/attack etc. Good luck with the article! Pedro : Chat 07:42, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NPwatcher

Hi, I added a request here, but for some reason it is not showing up at WP:PERM. Please take a look; thanks. --[[::User:Unpopular Opinion|Unpopular Opinion]] ([[::User talk:Unpopular Opinion|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Unpopular Opinion|contribs]]) 15:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Done for you!Pedro : Chat 15:59, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot :-) --[[::User:Unpopular Opinion|Unpopular Opinion]] ([[::User talk:Unpopular Opinion|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Unpopular Opinion|contribs]]) 16:01, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Welcome. You probably needed to purge the page to see the request. Pedro : Chat 16:04, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jclemens RfA

Jclemens' RfA Thankspam

		JClemens' RfA Thanks
		Thank you for participating in my Request for Adminship, which passed with 77 supporting and 2 opposing. Regardless of your position, I thank you for the time you took to examine my record and formulate your response. Jclemens (talk) 02:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RFA...

canceled. I wasn't feeling the readiness, and J was concerned about a bad GA I passed a while back. Anyway, thanks for your advice. I asked for a simple deletion of the page and now I don't think I'll ever commit myself to adminship. I'm thinking about avoiding it for a long, long time. Too much dramahz. Besdides, I'm becoming active on Commons. Anyway, thank you so much. (I am not retiring, at least not anytime soon ;p) —Ceran ♦ ♦ (speak) 22:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good to see you're thinking of coming over to commons! I only just realised it was you on my talk page... lol. Best wishes, – How do you turn this on (talk) 22:53, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MF

Hello. If you'll read carefully, you'll notice I never said I would block him. That said, MF posts on quite a few project pages I'm involved in, and has spent quite a bit of time badmouthing me. I'm tired of it, and I expect someone to do something about it if it continues. Gimmetrow 23:59, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"MF ...has spent quite a bit of time badmouthing me." Diffs? --Malleus Fatuorum 00:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"I don't dispute MF is rude and uncivil (by WP standards)...". This civility issue is one that I don't understand, and that I will never accept. Time for me to move on. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should I have put the key phrase "by WP standards" (i.e. not by mine) in italics, large text or a flashing font for you to read it as it is obviously meant, given our past interaction? Pedro : Chat 00:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I knew what you meant. I believe, and I will always believe, that disagreement is healthy. In our particular case I believed that you had made a mistake, and had not recognised that mistake when I pointed it out to you. I may have been wrong, you may have been wrong, doesn't matter now. What matters is that wikipedia's sad civility policy simply hides dishonesty behind a virtual smile. Not for me. I realise that I'm in a very small minority, those who value honesty above civility, and that my time here may be necessarily limited as a result, but so be it. I won't be the loser. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Generaly, when I refer to policy I do it via a blue link or I clarify. Otherwsie it's a dicdef of the word. I'm in the small minority that feel civility and honesty are not two sides of the same coin but can be used in equal measure. However I speak from a business prespective. I regret getting involved in this spat, but wish neither party any ill feeling and hope both will recognise their individual importance to the work, and more importantly we are all peers . Bloody hell, that's a Jimbo statement :) Pedro : Chat 00:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If we were all peers, then I wouldn't have been the only one threatened with a block. We patently are not all peers. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At such point that I threaten you with a block then I will reconsider my position. Until then all good faith editors are peers in my book. Pedro : Chat 00:59, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stevencho with the Rollback permissions

I completly respect your decision on not granting me access to the Rollback permission. I was previously unaware of the undo feature so I thank you for this peice of insight. For now I will use the undo to fight vandalism and maybe when I become more of a respected wikipedian I will send in my request again.

Thank you, Stevencho (talk) 05:26, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]