Talk:Avedis Zildjian Company

John Otto

Somebody plez add him as a notable user. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.80.214 (talk) 08:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment

Will someone who knows more about Zildjian please re-edit the main article? I mean, things like the split between K. Zildjian and A. Zildjian would seem to contradict the quasi-mystical stuff about only telling the oldest son. Also, the timeline seems off. C'mon. This needs to be reworked, as it's hardly Encyclopedic standard.

The article is not all that below standard but I would like the remark about Zildjian being the largest drumstick company to be cited, I'm not sure, but I thought it was vic firth

The cymbal line descriptions read like they were written by a company P.R. man (maybe they were!) Meaningless, metaphoric phrases like "Crisp, clear, and musical." Yuck! Would somebody knowledgeable please edit this into more neutral and accurate language, or else remove this company brochure!

Also, a section explaining the various cymbal types (ride, crash, hi-hat) would be useful.

The company was in Quincy Massachusetts, not Quincy Illinois. My Dad visited there in the 1930s and met the company owner. Brent Poirier, Las Cruces NM.

There's already a section on Wikipedia that explains all the cymbal types. Mastodon91 01:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Irrelevant

Zildjian cymbals are by far the best. No other cymbal company can come even remotely close to having the quality that is in each and every cymbal that company produces. As for sabian, those punk losers who think they're cool because they have hand hammered cymbals can go burn in some fictional hell for their blasphemy against the cymbal god! -my kit has two Avedis medium crashes, a K ride and hihats, and an SFX china!

Zildjian's pretty good. But I think Sabian is way better. They have done so much more for the drumming community than Zildjian could have ever done. What's this about fictional hell? Hand hammered cymbals are made for professionals, by the way.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Ringo Starr used Super Zyn cymbals which were made by Premier.

If you have ever (graphically) looked at the sound waves that a cymbal creates you would understand why people use words like "Crisp, clear, and musical" to describe cymbals. cymbals dont have fundamental and harmonic waves like other instruments so it is imposible to say "high pitched". Instead they say "crisp" or "dark".

Perhaps this explanation will help. "Dark" cymbals are charectirized by longer wavelenght waves. "Crisp" or "penetrating" is ussually the opposite, more on the "high pitch". "Fast decay" means that the cymbal generates sounds audible by humans for a shorter period of time. Slow decay means the cymbal will resonate for longer. Cymbals with "ping" have better stick deffinition, meaning that you can hear when the stick hits the cymbal (this difference is much more relevant when speaking of ride cymbals). "Explosive" cymbals reach "chaotic" vibrations much faster. For example it takes longer to make a "dark" thick cymbal reach its maximum resonance than it takes for an "explosive" thin cymbal of the same diameter with a pair of mallets. If you would like to see what i mean go to either the zildjian website or the sabian website and listen to the sample sounbites.

Historical clear-up

The first sentence could do with a clean up, it sounds as if the first cymbals ever made were made in the 1600s, rather than the first Zildjians. Cymbals have of course been around since ancient times. Otherwise, pretty good.

Is there a discrepancy with the date of the name change? Over on the wiki page for Constantinople it says that the city was renamed Istanbul in 1930, however, this article says the name change happened around 1923. Can anyone clarify? 70.119.170.187 00:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Product line?

I've been looking at the other pages Sabian and Paiste and saw they that they both have a product line. So why doesn't Zildjian have one? --AAA! ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

They shouldn't have; Wikipedia isn't a catalogue. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 17:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I've corrected Paiste, but Sabian didn't have such a list in fact. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 17:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it the world's largest?

If so, this sentence in the article should be changed: "The Avedis Zildjian Company is the world's largest manufacturer of cymbals, along with Paiste, Meinl and Sabian." It implies there are 4 "world's largest" manufacturers, which can't be true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.20.183 (talk) 06:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Could somebody please include an IPA pronunciation of the name in the lead please? I don't think it's obvious (I, for one, have no idea of the correct pronunciation). --Szajd (talk) 21:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

not "oldest family-run business in America"

some hack mag article isn't a good source for such a claim, especially given the errors the mag itself acknowledges. if, as is apparent, the criterion is to be oldest family-run business in america that was begun elsewhere, beretta (established in 1526) is far older, has a strong presence in america (Beretta USA), and has been family run since its inception. 208.54.7.157 (talk) 14:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but you should definitely know that Beretta's HQ is Brescia, Italy, not in the USA, in contrast with Zildjian which has replaced its original HQ from Istanbul to Norwell. Drkazmer ^{Just tell me...} 00:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation?

How do you pronounce "Zildjian"?