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50% of the Chinese Canadian population are rich

About 50 percent of the Chinese population in Canada, are rich. It may sound unbelievable, but it is true. Before 1997, many rich Hong Kong Chinese immigrants have immigrated to Canada. In addition, wealthy Taiwanese immigrants have settled in Canada. Recently, Chinese international students who are rich enough to afford education in the West, have also settled in Canada. When these groups are combined, the population is large, am I right? But there is still more. There are still more rich Chinese groups that most Canadians neglect to heard. They are corrupted mainland Chinese officials who've fled to Canada and Chinese prostitutes who've made their fortunes from corrupted officials in China and then fled to Canada. About 50 percent of Chinese Canadians are rich and the other 50 percent are just poor or middle-class Chinese Canadians. 08:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC) -Zeppo

Two things:

1)How do you define rich?

2)Where are your reference(s)? (internet site, newspaper article, etc.)

--The Dark Side 03:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Rich" is a subjective term. From one perspective, one can say that everyone living in Canada is rich. That translates to 100% affluence, or perhaps, "rich" in your terms...and some people living in a third world country is "poor". That's a fairly rich observation you made. Now define rich. Flytrap canada 20:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To me, rich defines that the value of your home plus the total income in your saving add up to one million dollar or more. 16:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC) -Zeppo

Inflation and wage increase means that we would all be rich in the years to come... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.20.192.54 (talk) 03:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Chinese term

In Canada there are several terms for "Chinese Canadian". Two terms in particular (one of which is not mentioned in the current article) are:

加藉華人 (lit. "Chinese person with Canadian citizenship", corresponding to the English term "Canadian Chinese")—an older term which stresses the Chinese identity; Canadian citizenship being secondary
華裔加人 (lit. "Canadian person of Chinese ancestry", corresponding to the English term "Chinese Canadian")—a newer term which stresses the Canadian identity; Chinese ancestry being secondary (This term is listed in the current version of the article)

The term "加拿大華人" looks like a straight translation from English. It's in current use, too, but I'm not sure about if there are any similar nuances in meaning. (Just by looking at the form of this compound, it probably just means "Chinese person in Canada", but the WP editors certainly would like to want citations for this to death.)—Gniw (Wing) 18:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

time to rid our community of self promoters

Now what defines a "prominent" Chinese Canadian? As the list of names grow longer...I can't help but to notice a number of names that are in red colour. In this wiki community, that's a word without a link to more info. So, if a name is placed on this list, there should at least be the courtesy explanation of who the individual is. Otherwise, it's just hollow.

I recognize a few of the names and admit that the majority of the people on the list has contributed to the overall Chinese Canadian identity, but let's keep the list real and respectful. Flytrap canada 20:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

kristin kreuk

ok why does it say shes not living in canada and living in usa? im pretty sure smallville is filmed in british columbia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.142.82.222 (talk) 05:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Yes, the Smallville studio is in Burnaby, BC (about 2 blocks from my house but I've never camped out to catch a glimpse of any of the stars :)). Southsloper 22:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian-born Chinese

Most of the Canadian-born Chinese were born from Hong Kong immigrants. Since Hong Kong was part of the Commomwealth, it was easier for Hong Kong people to immigrate to Canada. A few Taiwanese immigrants came to Canada in the 1970s and 1980s and had children. Sonic99 05:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You need to provide some sort of reference to support that claim. A personal assertion doesn't count for Wikipedia's verifiability requirements. Beyond that, your edit would be a lot better received if it were presented in a civil manner. Please consider that changes made without explanation, deletion of a controversial subject (Taiwan), and aggressive comments such as "should be edited by a real asian, not by a caucasian" do not give your edits the appearance of "good faith". --Ckatz^chat_spy 09:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for providing a source. Based on that reference, I have tweaked the immigration text to include Taiwan as that is clearly indicated by the census data. I'll try to find some information on the "birth" section. --Ckatz^chat_spy 18:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese in WWII

Can someone expand the section of Chinese in WWII? appreciated. Jackzhp 23:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of prominent Chinese Canadians

What are the criteria for inclusion in this list? Kappa 20:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Demographic Update

I was thinking the 2001 Census data would be getting kinda old and thus under represent the number of Chinese Canadians. Upon checking at [[1]], I see that there will be 2006 Census data available on 2 April 2008. I leave this note in the hope that updates will be made as soon as that date arrives. AnthroGael 08:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

This article has become a racist joke

This article has become little more than a reinforcement of popular myths and is highly patronising to many people around the globe as a result. In particular, this article:

1.Falsely implies that most Cantonese, Hokkien and Taiwanese peoples are of Chinese ethnicity. In fact nothing else can be further from the truth. In fact, their ancestors were the victims of one of the worst genocides in world history at the hands of various Chinese armies. Once subjugated, the existences of distinct Cantonese, Hokkien and Taiwanese ethnic identities (as opposed to 'regional' identities) were 'conveniently' forgotten by most people in the world (and tragically to this day). Thus from this point of view, the label of Chinese ethnicity was a brutal imposition upon the Cantonese, Hokkien and Taiwanese peoples against the wills of the said local peoples.

2.Implies that Taiwan is part of China. The reality is that Taiwan is **NOT** part of China and will never be for the foreseeable future. Over the past several millennia, the Taiwanese have maintained a distinct ethnic identity totally separate from the Chinese ethnicity. Therefore, to describe the Taiwanese as 'Chinese' is not merely wrong; it is downright offensive.

3.Fails to make any real distinctions between the concepts of ancestry and ethnicity whatsoever. There is more to ethnicity than simply being descended from a particular ancestor. Naturally, ethnic identities evolve and may even change over time (but not counting genocides). One could even argue that the concept of ancestry is nothing more than a political and social misconstruct since a recent scientific study has proven beyond reasonable doubt that all modern humans were descended from Africans.

The above points, in particular, MUST be taken seriously. Someone who is an expert on the subject matter of this article must edit this article IMMEDIATELY to remove the blatant biases in the article (including population figures).

Note: I would have attempted to correct some of the biases in the article, but owing to the fact that most of the required references are very difficult to obtain (and generally not found on the internet), I have called for an expert to fix the article instead.122.105.145.169 (talk) 10:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since no one has responded to the above concerns in a meaningful way, I have flagged the article as biased and inaccurate. 122.105.149.241 (talk) 12:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gee, and here I thought the POV tempalte was because of all the usual lies and misrepresentations about the Chinese and their history in Canada. I have corrected some of these, though they will re-occur as also in other related articles bracuse these lies are so common in the "official" story as presented by Chinese Canadian organizations and repeated by the govenrment and gullible reporters....among these lies was "Their contacts with non-Chinese were restricted as well, officially and unofficially" which I removed as completely false; it makes it sound like comings-and-goings were controlled and almost as if they were Jews in Nazi Germany....such opverblown hype and outright falsity is all too tpyical of "reliable sources" which aren't reliable at all; other false or distorted claims abound, some with fact tags. I also would maintain there's a difference between "Chinese Canadian" and "Canadians of Chinese descent" - the latter would be Canadianized, i.e. "assimilated" or "bananas" or "halfbreeds" as pureblood Chinese are known to call them, while hte forme woudl tend to be those who identify primarily as Chinese first, Canadian second.....this same comparison applies to German Canadians and Canadians of German descent etc.....Skookum1 (talk) 15:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Curiously, most members of those Chinese armies spoke cantonese. 99.244.189.70 (talk) 08:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]