Talk:Royal Rumble (2009)

30 Man Royal Rumble Match

i keep adding the 30 man royal rumble match but gets deleted. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.87.41 (talk) 22:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Even though it will probably happen its still unconfirmed SuperSilver901 (talk) 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes we have to wait till it is confirmed. Like at Survivor Series. They usually have a survivor series elimination match but they've had it happen before where it never happened.--WillC 04:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Dont be stupid! Why would they not have a Royal Rumble match at the royal rumble? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craigtubby (talk • contribs) 20:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I will never know why they wouldn't have a Royal Rumble but you never know they could stop the tradition SuperSilver901 (talk) 01:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

- This Rumble is taking place in Detroit, Michigan at Joe Louis Arena - confirmed. Please edit. Also, the Royal Rumble match is confirmed. Please edit.

You need a reliable source to back up both of those claims. And please sign your posts using four ~. Thanks, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 14:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Royal Rumble 2009 will be held in Detroit at Joe Louis Arena. Friend in radio says station has received promotional material, and Mike Johnson of PWInsider.com has reported it. Rojo101 (talk) 07:25, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

First you said it was at the Palace at Auburn Hills and now this make up your mind BTW do you have the URL? SuperSilver901 (talk) 19:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

There's no point in adding the Royal Rumble match if zero of the thirty participants have been announced. JayLethal2008 16:01, 3 November 2008

Exactly its like adding a WWE title match to the Wrestlemania 25 page, sure there will be one but no one knows who will be in it. Bencey (talk) 03:07, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

In Spain they have vignettes anouncing the match, I don't know about the USA but in Spain they're already anouncing it.  Kalajan  21:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Should we make a list of the rumble participants prior to the match occurring. Triple H was just confirmed for it on 1/2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crippler4 (talk • contribs) 01:09, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Dos Caras, Jr.

It should be noted on the page that he is rumored to debut at this pay-per-view. JayLethal2008 08:32, 4 November 2008

Keyword "rumor," Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball.--S_RX 14:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

As i recall John Cena was added on the Survivor Series 2008 page as Rumored to return from injury. The Jay Experience 21:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I recall that having a reliable source SuperSilver901 (talk) 22:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I recall that too, but I don't recall seeing a source for Dos Caras. Kalajan€₣ 23:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Caras Jr recently resigned to his Mexican promotion and most sites believe that due to the economic situation they terminated his deal and might renogicate at a later date. This is all here-say as I can't give you a 100% source but it is right now common internet belief.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.12.202 (talk • contribs)

Should the Poster be remove since it was not made by WWE

What? No it shouldn't, it was made by WWE SuperSilver901 (talk) 00:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok I didn't right the title, but I have another question. Should we not use the one from WWEAffiliates because it has the date? Also keeps it consistent with the other PPV pages. (Loosie (talk) 16:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC))

I have no idea why it was changed to the one to InDemand can someone explain? SuperSilver901 (talk) 20:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I was going by the last years poster. Considering the one from In Demand is bigger and is the full poster. Yes it doesn't have the date but I don't think that is very important. Also are we even sure that WWE Affiliates is even owned by WWE. I've seen no proof of that beisdes a logo and that doesn't mean much.--WillC 22:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Its an affiliation to the WWE requiring corporate/employee login, although, their image database is publicly accessible. --SRX 23:31, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

is the new poster not just a blowen up copy of the other one excpet with a date? if you look at where john cena is on the two its basically the same just closed up on that one part so what should it matter? in my personal opinion the one with the more wrestlers on it looks better as it shows kinda what a royal rumble is like a brawl between loads of wrestlers. people who dont watch wrestling may get a better idea from this. just a thjoughtBlack6989 (talk) 21:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)black6989

World Heavyweight Championship Match

John Cena will be defending the title at the Royal Rumble, as announced on RAW. Should it be added?. --KingOfDX (talk) 01:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

They didn't say he will be defending it at the Royal Rumble, they said on Raw.--SRX 03:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Did you see Tribute to the Troops?... --KingOfDX (talk) 01:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Check the date, his comment was made before the Tribute to the Troops special aired. Before that, they only said the winner would eventually get a WHC match. TJ Spyke 02:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Guys to clear this up, it is at the Rumble. I watched a commercial on USA not too long ago for Raw that said the winner would challenge Cena at the Royal Rumble.--WillC 02:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Next Monday, there will be a fatal four way match between Shawn Michaels, JBL, Randy Orton, and CM Punk and the winner of that will face Cena at the Rumble for the WHC. http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2008/december22-28/9002164--Harvey "Two-Face" Dent (Muhaha!!) 14:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Is it not Michaels, JBL, Orton and Jericho. Cause jericho beat Punk to qualify. Adster95 (talk) 15:20, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

My bad. Michaels, JBL, Orton, and JERICHO.--Harvey "Two-Face" Dent (Muhaha!!) 16:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

ICP and Scott Hall

Insane Clown Posse and Scott Hall, despite not being WWE employes, are attending the PPV. It should be mentioned here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.174.55 (talk • contribs)

You have no source for your claims, so no. TJ Spyke 18:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

[1]Sinofdreams (talk) 23:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

It seems reliable. Kalajan€₣ 23:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

First, the source (which I don't know is all that reliable) basically says they plan to attend the event as part of the audience (so nothing special about that, anybody can attend if they have a ticket). Second, there is no telling if they actually will attend. If they do, maybe afterward a 1 sentence mention. TJ Spyke 23:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Yah actually, I'm famous in my town so if I go to a Kris Kristofferson concert I should be added on the concert's wikipedia page... And Akon attended to Raw once too, and so did the guy from home alone, and loads of them do. Kalajan€₣ 23:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

WWe title match

Friday Night Smackdown has been taped this week, so since I know SOMEONE will try to take down Hardy vs Edge, it was indeed confirmed on the taping of SD. Need a ref? I was there. --Harvey "Two-Face" Dent (Muhaha!!) 14:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

He's right, please don't remove. I'll try to find a confiable source to add. Brady4mvp (Talk) 15:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

"I was there" is not a acceptable source. TJ Spyke 17:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Heres a source, it said AFTER smackdown taping. http://www.wrestlezone.com//article.php?articleid=232699447 --Pookeo9 (talk) 23:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Wrestlezone is not considered a reliable source by WP:PW. TJ Spyke 23:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

In other words, you DONT blieve me, and think that I am lying when I said it was confirmed? You DONT blieve I was there? --Harvey "Two-Face" Dent (Muhaha!!) 14:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Is THIS reliable? http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/7916/ --Harvey "Two-Face" Dent (Muhaha!!) 16:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if I believe you, someone saying "I saw it" it not a reliable source according to WP:RS. That second site is, although my personal opinion is that spoilers shouldn't be added until the show airs. TJ Spyke 16:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:SPOILER and WP:CRYSTAL, spoilers shouldn't be added until a reliable source, mainly a primary source, announces it. Thus, f4wrestling.com is not reliable in this case, nor are other wrestling sites but the promotion's website.--SRX 16:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah. I forgot that even reliable sites like that aren't really acceptable for spoilers since they are counting on others to send in those reports and have no way to verify either. TJ Spyke 17:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, he is saying he was there. Wikipedia should be a encyclopedia made with human knowledge. So, he was there, he's seen it. It's in his knowledge. We should add it to the article. Brady4mvp (Talk) 16:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Until the information is sourced and documented it is considered unverified and original research.  Hazardous Matt  16:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Can we post the Title match and the announced Rumble Match participants, since the show has aired in several countries, or shall we wait until the US airing? Steveweiser (talk) 00:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Wait For the US airing before adding it. 71.190.100.31 (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

We should let him add it and if we find out it's a lie we can easilly report him and get him banned. Kalajan€₣ 23:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Guys, take a look at the dates. The post was made several days ago. SmackDown has already aired and the info is in the article (and sourced). TJ Spyke 23:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

So who said that someone is going to face these two guys (Hardy n' Edge)? I missed it cos my brothers were watching a film... Kalajan€₣ 23:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Triple H

Is he in the Rumble or is he in it after he wins the Triple Jeapardy?Sinofdreams (talk) 00:27, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

He is already in. The triple jeopardy thing is just a punishment for embarrassing Vickie. TJ Spyke 00:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Change in Article?

Based off of what Cena did last year, should
"The winner will get a World Championship match at WWE's April PPV event, WrestleMania XXV,"
be changed to
"The winner will get a future World Championship match," ? Spongemaster0 (talk) 20:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Kalajan€₣ 20:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

No, because as of late, WWE has advertised that the winner will receive a match at WrestleMania XXV. If they do change it, that is on WWE, but as of right now, they are promoting the winner going to WrestleMania.--Truco 21:23, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah sorry, I thought that Spongemaster had said: Based off of what Cena did last year, should
"The winner will get a World heavyweight Championship match at WWE's April PPV event, WrestleMania XXV,"
be changed to
"The winner will get a future World Championship match," ? Spongemaster0 (talk) 20:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Sorry. Kalajan€₣ 22:14, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

If you want to be factual you may choose to add "If they so choose" as technically like Cena they could ask for it earlier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.12.202 (talk) 02:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Moorison and Miz

Shouldn't they be in ECW not RAW?  Benton Tigers  16:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

They are. Check the table again. They have ECW listed as their brand, Raw is just the show on which their RR appearence was announced. TJ Spyke 16:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Participants

I think some problems are going on about Kane or whatever, so here's the list of participants [2]. 'Hope I helped. Kalajan€₣ 18:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

What problem with Kane?  Hazardous Matt  19:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Dunno I had this page on my watchlist and I keep seeing people argue about Kane or something like that. Kalajan€₣ 19:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

The problem was that WWE announced on Raw that Kane would be in the RR match but didn't add him to the website until today. Someone removed him yesterday and claimed that WWE hadn't announced him for the match. He's now on the site too. TJ Spyke 20:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

That's it, yeah. Kalajan€₣ 21:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

ECW title match

Announced at Friday Night Smackdown which has been taped this week, ECW championship will be defended by champion Jack Swagger against Matt Hardy. I know this since we in India get to see SmackDown a day before its telecast in US. Also this is my first Wikipedia edit. So hope its right way to get going.. --Wild MaCkeR (talk) 13:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

See WP:RS for info on sources and adding them to articles. Since I don't live in India, I can't verify the info (well, maybe it's on YouTube by now). TJ Spyke 17:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

It can be added because it has aired already in the eastern hemisphere already.--Truco 21:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

R-Truth was in The Royal Rumble

R-Truth was in the Royal Rumble 2001 and his name was K-Kwik but he was eliminated by the Big Show 5:06 17 January 2009 (UTC) User:DVG991

And? WWE.com seems to want to pretend that R-Truth was never K-Kwik. It's just like how they pretend that Kane was never Isaac Yankem or the fake Diesel. TJ Spyke 04:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

WWE.com is blind but if they no about it WWF that fetus was the inposter kane and yes R-Truth was K-Kwik but if you luke in the name list of Ron Killing Than you see tha R-Truth was K-Kwik and maybe kane was the fake dieles or isaac yankem and those two names are on Glen Jacbs Name 7:16 17 January 2009 (UTC) User:DVG991

Per what TJ Spyke says they want to pretend that past character's never existed and we know R-Truth was K-Kwik but what does this have to do you with the article anyways? SuperSilver901 (talk) 20:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Proper Grammar

I'll concur that "as follows" sound funky, but proper grammar dictates that there must be a complete, independent clause before a colon. If someone has a better suggestion, I'm all for it. --ECWAGuru (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I think we're not understanding what an "independent clause" is. "The confirmed wrestlers are" is still not a complete sentence in and of itself.--ECWAGuru (talk) 17:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Naming Issue

I'm also confused about the naming issue. I thought part of the whole "out of universe" issue was that real names were supposed to be provided in parenthesis after the wrestler's ring name. You said that Shawn Michaels is much more well-known by his ring name, but how many people know Beth Phoenix as "Elizabeth Carolan?"--ECWAGuru (talk) 17:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

See WP:PW for more info. Basically, the real name only needs to be used if they are known by multiple names (like Val Venis) or are not well known yet. Shawn Michaels has been using that name for over 20 years and also uses it outside of wrestling. Beth Phoenix is still pretty new, if she keeps that name for another few years, then the same can happen to her. TJ Spyke 21:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

This policy seriously needs to be looked at again. If no clear decision can be made, than it shouldn't exist. Where is the line drawn? Edge doesn't count? He's been consistently using his name for more than 10 years now, yet he still has (Adam Copeland) paired alongside his stage name. Dahumorist (talk) 21:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

What TJ said is the clear policy. Wrestlers who are well known under their ring name do not need their real names. IT all depends on the editor, and how they interpret the policy. If they are not well known under their ring name or have used multiple ring names, a real name is necessary.--TRUCO 21:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think that they are known best by their ring names; Pheonix - I had just about a faint idea of her real name, let alone people without internet. Just my opinion. Kalajan€·₣ 21:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm just not understanding why the policy isn't consistent across the board. I thought the whole point of policy was so that decisions wouldn't be so discretionary. But c'est la vie -- I'm not going to get embroiled in another debate again.--ECWAGuru (talk) 02:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

WWE in uk

can u put the results for the royal rumble when it shows in uk or do u have to wait in until it airs in united states. MC RIDE (talk) 05:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe it has aired already in the UK considering it is a live pay-per-view event, so we'll have to wait until it airs here in the United States.--TRUCO 23:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

yeah i was talking about when it starts but thanks.MC RIDE 05:52, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

scripted crap

do we really need the thing about everything being scripted. its tv. its always scripted. if you have to put that ridiculously long paragraph about it being scripted for wrestling, what about on the pages for episodes of tv shows. those are scripted too. yet they don't have a paragraph about how the events on the show are scripted events by paid writers who determine what is said and happens on a show.