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Stronger Coffee?

This claim is highly dubious and unlikely. Compared to espresso and other pressure-vessel methods this method is not likely to be higher concentrating. It is, however, likely to produce higher concentrations than a 'Dripolator'. Can some references be found please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.14.27.42 (talk) 06:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

French Press labware

Biologists use what is called a French Press to burst open cells. It involves a high pressure plunger system that I came here to find out if it has anything to do with the coffee maker. I know the labware is named after the inventor, Stacey French so I guess it may be a coincidence? I was just wondering if I wanted to write an article for a scientific French Press if it should be in a separate entry with a paranthetical or as a note here. Anyone know?

I would recommend to place the info about the biology tool on a separate page, probably titled "French press (Biology)", and add a "see also" template as the first line in this article. I'd suggest something like <<otheruses4|1=the kitchen tool|2=the biology tool|3=French press (Biology)>>, but with curly braces instead of the angle brackets. It'll render like so: I'd do it myself, but I forgot my password, and can't create a new page. -- 15:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm ignorant about laboratory devices: is this the same one as described in French Pressure Cell Press? --Piet Delport 10:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is (though French Press is a more common term) - I've added a link to the article. Dryman 22:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grind Size

"Coffee for use in a French Press should be of a somewhat fine grind, similar to that used for a drip brew coffee filter, but slightly coarser than that used for espresso. Coarser grinds such as used for coffee percolators give less satisfactory results."

Note: This is a matter of opinion. Coarse grinds work just fine for me, and result in less 'fines.' The Coffee FAQ says that coarse grind is a must for the French Press.

- comment by anon, moved from article to talk page by Cyan 18:17, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'd query that too. Cafetiére tends to need about the same as drip/filter and certainly coarser than espresso. Too fine and it will go around the edge of the filter. More on this likely to be discussed on coffe (drink) talkpage. --VampWillow 10:36, 2004 May 20 (UTC)

Nomenclature

I'd never heard it called a "plunge filter coffee maker" before. google.co.uk, with "pages from the UK" pressed, shows 178 references, many of those copies of the Wikipedia article. It shows 125,000 references to cafetière and 36,800 references to cafetiere. I feel inclined to remove "plunge filter coffee maker" altogether. Isidore 19:30, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

No complaint from me to delete ... I've never ever heard or read of the term in the UK except on here (which I'd actually always taken as a POV from someone)

Hmm... http://www.lacafetiere.com/Consumer/Consumer_CompanyHistory_and_info.asp is interesting reading. La Cafetiere was/is the brand name of the first cafetière to be made in the UK. It was invented in Italy in 1929... Isidore 22:43, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Oh yes, and they refer to it as a "plunge-filter coffee maker". Isidore 22:45, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

That a French press should be invented in Italy is just typical! as is the naming of a product in country B with its generic name in country A. Maybe "plunge-filter coffee maker" was a more meaningful name in 1929, but nearly 80 years later if you asked someone what it was they'd probably tell you it was a cafetière, ie the shorter term is now generically the term that one would expect to hear and be used. History info might usefully be added to article though - well done for finding it! --Vamp:Willow 23:23, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

OK, I've removed "plunge-filter coffee maker". The history is difficult to verify (e.g., some sites say Calimani invented it in 1929, others 1933). Isidore 18:51, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Duplicate instructions

Why does paragraph six duplicate the instructions of paragraph three? ✈ James C. 21:28, 2005 May 31 (UTC)

Nevermind, I just removed them.

Wikipedia is not the place to go to find out how to make coffee (Wikipedia is not an instruction manual), so I've removed the instructions. Obviously, the way coffee is made using a cafetière is part of its definition, so I've also inserted a brief description of the process in the body. But the intimate details are not encyclopaedic. OTOH a link to an external site with instructions might be appropriate. Hairy Dude 16:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

instructions' visual aid

Are the "Cafetiere press up" and "Cafetiere press down" images really necessary? The verbal instructions are clear enough, and the visuals clarify nothing. They're not even very good diagrams, with unnecessary letter labels and strange color choices. The pictures just make the whole process seem more complex than it is. ✈ James C. 21:57, 2005 May 31 (UTC)

no responses. deleting the images (users can always view the detailed instructions in the external links section if they want). ✈ James C. 18:50, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

Weird name

Never heard it called anything other than a 'coffee plunger' before. I'm in France and most people have never seen one, though it's called a "cafetière à piston". How bizarre. "French press" hmm. Stevage 12:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You would be shocked at the things the rest of the world connect to the French and France in general ;) It would be, ah, ow do you say, rude of me to post them here though JayKeaton 19:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"French Paradox": original research.

While the study linked is valid research, it's not an example of the French Paradox. That's the conclusion of whoever added this text. For french-pressed coffee with its elevated cafestol levels to represent an example of the French Paradox, it would have to be shown that French people drink more french-presesd coffee than the control population. This very article contradicts that, for one thing. For another, even if it didn't, there's still no such research. 198.49.180.40 17:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LDL Reference

It's good to see a reference cited for the claim that French press coffee increases LDL cholestrol levels. However, the reference used, http://www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/AcuteCoronarySyndrome/tb/3154 is not a study itself but instead is a quote alluding to the existence of studies: "(Rob van Dam Ph.D) said published studies have "consistently shown that drinking a lot of French press coffee increases LDL."". A more direct reference to such studies would be appreciated. Verdatum 19:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've whipped up a start for this section but it's very raw and I haven't read the study yet. Once I read the study I'll also include the reason that cafestol raises cholesterol, as per the Baylor study. I'm going to add what I've written so far to the article and I encourage everyone to improve upon it and critique it. I'll be improving it throughout this week. — oo64eva (Alex) ^{(U | T | C)} @ 06:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't this be considerably more appropriate in Coffee? There's nothing special about the "French press" in this regard, since it would appear that all non-filtering techniques (espresso, percolator (ugh), cold water extract, etc.) would share the same issues. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 14:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree and thus I'm adding the section as an expansion to Coffee & health under cholesterol. I'll add a sentence somewhere in this article to link to that section. — oo64eva (Alex) ^{(U | T | C)} @ 17:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Variations

Only the first paragraph of the Variations section is actually about variations. The other paragraphs are useful but ought to be moved to other sections. Possibly new sections ought to be created for that.