Talk:Lennon–McCartney

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Contributions

A Day in the Life" is the only later Beatles song that includes substantial contributions by both Lennon and McCartney

What about "I've got a feeling" from let it be? There are plenty examples of songs after Pepper where they each made substantial contributions. For example, on "Obla-Di-Obla-Da" it was Lennon who came up with the piano tune, without which the song would have lacked its chatchyness and, judging from early demos, would probably not appered on the white album--Crestville 19:39, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Input from other members

Quote"lennon -mccartney was used for songs without contribiutions from george or ringo" not nesseceraly true-what about elenor rigby,a hard days nights,etc? and surely george and ringo had at least some input on EVERY beatles song

It does say "written by"; the types of contributions you refer to would generally be in the area of arrangement. Jgm 22:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Non Beatles

The article makes no mention of songs written by Lennon-McCartney for other artists. jnestorius^(talk) 01:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're correct. Feel free to mention them. Some notable artists in that category include Cilla Black and Peter & Gordon. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 07:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another is the Rolling Stones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.155.94 (talk) 14:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stub

This article should have much more information, after all John and Paul are the songwriters for the most well known group in the world

DK08 September 17 9:32

Article name

Shouldn't this article be named "Lennon/McCartney"? That's how I'm used to seeing it. --kingboyk 21:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps—I'm not familiar with the subject to comment really. However, the article suggests that the name was written on albums as "Lennon—McCartney". Theshibboleth 00:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I never noticed it before but now that I look, yes, it is usually Lennon/McCartney. 4/27/06

Somebody changed it to Lennon/McCartney so I've moved the page to match. --kingboyk 12:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed change

I propose moving this page to (1)John Lennon and Paul McCartney or (2)Lennon and McCartney.

The current:

"Lennon/McCartney" (Lennon divided by McCartney?, Lennon over McCartney), or
"Lennon-McCartney" (Lennon minus McCartney?, Lennon to McCartney?, Lennon &mdash ; McCartney?)

neither represent what is said or have any other useful meaning!

Therefore I propose adopting the same approach as Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller or Abbott and Costello. However to avoid unnecessarily long wikilinks; most pages can adopt either

"[Lennon & McCartney]" (with a redirect) or the
"[John Lennon and Paul McCartney|Lennon & McCartney]" (piped) approach.

simonthebold 18:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All in favour raise your hand and say aye(1) or aye(2)!

I'm in favour of keeping it the same. If you check any of the Beatles studio albums they are credited to "Lennon/McCartney" and this is, after all, an article about the songwriting partnership on Lennon/McCartney rather than a biograpy of the two. Now perhaps they intended that to read "Lennon divided by McCartney" - it's possible I suppose, they were on a lot of drugs - but I propose the were using the dash as an instrument of punctuation rather than a mathamatical symbol. By the same token, "Lennon-McCartney" probably means Lennon "hyphen" McCartney, punctuation rather than a mathamatical symbol. Probably gives it away when there's no numbers in the equasion, though I suppose the "o" in Lennon could be a zero.--Crestville 18:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that this article is about the songwriting partnership not the form of typesetting choosen by some faceless EMI employee in 1963. If were going to be pathetic and pedantic we should also have a 'McCartney/Lennnon' article and 'McCartney-Lennon' article etc. etc. for the miriad of variations published around the world since 1962??? or maybe not.

I agree that in the grand scheme of things this is a fairly irrelevant issue, however I think the / (slash) looks ugly!! and that "and" cannot be misinterpreted! simonthebold 18:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's iconic and recognisable. I can see no good reason to change it. And no reason to be so touchy, mate. Removing all the vowels from the word "dickhead" is still pretty damn rude.--Crestville 19:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On all my LP:s (and most CD:s) the song are credited Lennon-McCartney, not Lennon/McCartney. Also sv-wikipedia calls it Lennon-McCartney. It seems like Lennon/McCartney was not inveted as a name until later. 137.163.16.30 (talk) 09:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

I have put two page citations in, plus two reference books. It would be nice to see more. --andreasegde 20:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The working partnership

The Everly Brothers were certainly the inspiration for the Beatles' harmony and musical sound and a great influence on them, but they did not write their own songs - so it didn't make a lot of sense to me to lead with the Everlys in a paragraph about Lennon/McCartney as a songwriting team. (And it didn't really flow properly) I suppose the point being made is that the Everlys' (and Holly) sound influenced L/McC to write songs that sounded like the ones that they sang? So I rearranged the section - see if it makes sense. Feel free to edit, of course.

I also added that Forthlin Road was Macca's home - this may be obvious to British fans, but it would not be known to Americans, so I thought the clarification couldn;t hurt. Tvoz 06:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two of us

This section is too abbreviated - I'd expand it myself but I don't remember the details of the film. Is it focused on the two of them as a writing pair? because that's what this article is about - not about their personal relationship. I didn't remove it, but if the film is not largely about their writing collaboration, I'd say it is misplaced in this article, or the paragraph needs to be written a bit differently. Tvoz 06:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A joint credit

It would seem better to say the only "known" substantial disagreement about authorship - we don't know what other disagreements they may have hashed out privately. And, in the end of the first sentence I took out "which are included here" because I couldn't figure out what it meant - if it should be in, it needs to be clarified. Tvoz 06:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy

As I noted on Talk: Wings Over America, there's a discrepancy between what is said on that page and what is said on this page regarding who complained about Macca's reversal of credits on that 1976 album - here it says nothing about Yoko, and only that John did not complain as he didn't really give a damn at that moment in time; but on Wings Over America it says that John did not make any comment, but that Yoko did - about that 1976 reversal. I don't know if she did, but if so, the graf in this article needs to be amended. Or that one.

Also unclear to me if the graf about Yoko's 1997 move of giving Lennon solo credit for Give Peace a Chance (which by the way, sounds perfectly right to me, but no one asked me my opinion) is in the right place - did this happen before, during, or after Macca made his "late 1990s" request about changing Yesterday to McCartney/Lennon? Tvoz 06:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

in general

I think this piece is good, but could be further expanded, at least by additional references - it's depending on 2 books now, and I would think there are other sources, and probably more to say about this writing team. Tvoz 06:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Post-Beatles Relationship

I feel that Wikipedia ignores John and Paul's relationship after the break-up, but I don't think the subject has enough substance to warrant an article about it. I imagine it would consist of Paul's lawsuit, his switching the songwriting credit order to "McCartney/Lennon" on the Wings Over America album, John's concession that their choice of a manager was wrong, A Toot and a Snore in '74, and finally the oft-mentioned instance when Paul showed up at John's house with a guitar and John, being too busy for reminiscing, sent him away. I'm probably missing something, so I hesitate to add it to the article, but I really think that this is an important aspect of both men's careers.

Why

Why isn't there a similar page for the Lennon-Ono partnership? 216.165.96.57 03:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because as a team, Lennon/McCartney were two of the most popular and most accomplished songwriters, musicians, and performers of the last 50+ years, whereas Lennon/Ono weren't? John Cardinal 04:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed bit on McCartney solo compositions

Irrelevant to the article. The article is about songs credited to the Lennon/McCartney partnership. Vidor (talk) 22:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Something about the change in the order of names

When the band first started it was credited McCartney Lennon but Brian Epstein changed this as he thought Lennon McCartney sounded better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.155.94 (talk) 14:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Jackson owning publishing rights

Should it be mentioned that the Lennon/McCartney publishing rights are owned by Michael Jackson? It seems fairly appropriate. 90.21.254.204 (talk) 17:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That might get a little messy. I don't think he owns all of their songs, so it could be misleading to say that he owns Lennon/McCartney publishing rights. In any event, if anything is added it needs a source. Ward3001 (talk) 18:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Sony Corp. paid Michael Jackson $95 million in 1995 to merge ATV with Sony and form Sony/ATV Music Publishing, a 50-50 joint venture, so it's probably more correct to say that Jackson now owns half the rights to the Beatles catalog."snopes.com. Some question the reliability of snopes as a source; nonetheless, it raises questions about stating that Jackson owns Lennon/McCartney publishing rights. Ward3001 (talk) 19:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Legality

Is this legal? I would seem to me that this agreement should be illegal as claiming copyright on a work that one of them did not write could extend copyright based on years after death to when that last supposed author died and not when the only real author. Can someone claim there 1 month old baby was a co-author for this purpose? Z gin der 2008-08-30T22:34Z (UTC)

People can assign ownership as they please, but this discussion is really not appropriate here. Talk pages are supposed to be for improving the article, not general discussion of the topic. See WP:TALK. Ward3001 (talk) 22:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"In My Life"

If McCartney's quote in the section "A Joint Credit" is correctly stated, then he was mistaken about the origin of "In My Life". It could not have been part-based on "Tears Of A Clown" which was written in 1967 - two years after "In My Life". Probably McCartney was mixing it up with "Tracks of my Tears", also by Smokey Robinson and released in 1965, before "In My Life" was written. Maybe the quote should be qualified or explained, as it can't be accurate. 217.43.81.99 (talk) 09:30, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]