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True Blue

Yes I know, its just that I have the time for a few days, and I thought well let's finished with this album, it would be interesting to have a good or even a featured topic about the True Blue era, we only need to improve the album's article. I probably will do "Who's That Girl" after this one, since another user is alredy gathering information about "Heart of Glass", the song that I wanted to do :( . That's why I decided to finish this project. Hope you didn't mind it. Frcm1988 (talk) 03:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all. The more help I get for Madonna songs, more the better. And congrats for Live to Tell. I told you it will pass. I'm keeping fingers crossed for "La Isla Bonita". In the meantime I'll help you with the song and writing part for "True Blue". Is that fine? --Legolas (talktome) 03:27, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok that will be perfect, because what is still missing is the background, I don't know something about the recording, writing or inspiration, maybe in some of the books. I really couldn't find info about it, since I alredy previewed most of the books for the other articles, I can't see the other pages, I don't know if there is a way to reset that and watch new pages. The good thing is that I alredy have really good and interesting information about the composition. Frcm1988 (talk) 03:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
One comment I have for "La Isla Bonita", in the music video section maybe you should add the information about the director, producer, etc. to the prose, it kinda breaks the flow of the article, because is in the middle of two big sections. Frcm1988 (talk) 03:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ohh I have info for the background of the song. I'll add it. The La Isla Bnita music video section, I removed the producers etc. names, anyways I don't have ref for the producer etc. Thanks for your comments. --Legolas (talktome) 03:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I used this: Madonna. (1990). The Immaculate Collection [VHS]. Warner Music Vision. Just copy this between the ref tags: cite video|people=Madonna|title=The Immaculate Collection|medium= VHS|publisher=Warner Music Vision|year2=1990 I actually don't have the video but Im pretty sure the credits appear, at least the director, producer and the photography. But it's up to you if you want to put this in the article, I don't think is absolutely neccesary. Frcm1988 (talk) 04:04, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ya me too. Its not that necessary. --Legolas (talktome) 04:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do have that one, but about the background it only says that the title comes from Sean Penn's favorite saying. Frcm1988 (talk) 05:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can include about the homage to early sixties girl group pop. In the meantime I'll find out more. I think there was some info regarding the use of teh word dear in the song. --Legolas (talktome) 05:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes the info is in the book Rock 'n' Roll Gold Rush by Maury Dean, but the content is mostly about the composition. I will keep trying to look for that info tomorrow, Im going to sleep now. See you tomorrow. Happy editing. Frcm1988 (talk) 05:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You can do it now, Im going to upload a new version of the sample, and then go to sleep. Happy editing. Frcm1988 (talk) 05:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, just to tell you that I read the music video section, and the book Gender Politics and MTV, they are highly similar. You have to watch out for copyvio, a rewrite or research for more sources that have the same info is necessary. Otherwise the information could be deleted. I will change the information later, just be sure that the content of the other articles don't have the same problem. Frcm1988 (talk) 04:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Legolas, I see that you nominated "True Blue" for GA, I believe this is a little premature, plus the backlog in the GAN is really high. Well I don't have the time right now to copy-edit it, but I will left you my concerns about the article:
  • The notes need to be consisting, you only have to put the last name, not the first one. Also some of them need the book's year.
  • For the online sources, you have for example Lyndsey Parker as the author, it should be Parker, Lyndsay. The dates need to be equal; so instead of putting November 03, 1986, change it to 1986-11-03. Some of the publishers are incorrect too, for example Time magazine is the work, but the publisher is "Time Warner" not www.time.com.
  • The music video section, need a copy-edit, and some wikilinks, also the cover versions is too short, if there aren't enough notable covers the section should be removed.
  • In the music video section I think another image should be in there instead of that one. You can't even see all of Madonna's face. I believe a picture when she is laying down on the car, with the back-up singers behind her would be better, because it shows Madonna's look, it shows her friends in the back, the blue background and the 1950s theme.
  • The writing and inspiration section also need a copy-edit. It mentions Sean Penn four times in two lines, and there are some errors like Steve Bray's name.
  • The lead also needs a revision. What does The main chrorus is backed by an alternate one with a doo-wop type chord progression means. Also "international success" is a little POV.

I would do it myself, but I don't have the time right know. Hope you can make the changes before someone review the article. Regards. Frcm1988 (talk) 05:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Clarification

Hey! To be honest, it was just a random moment of thought. I use the name IAmColonel (another random moment) for forums and stuff, and get called "IAC". And my real name begins with K, so i just combined it. So no real meaning, just an abbreviation really. I see you've hitched a ride on the LotR wagon, nice :) k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 10:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

True Blue so far

Oooh, great work so far! :) I'll see what I can do. I'll sneak around for interviews regarding the background of the song. :) And cool that you're going to work on the album, as well! With how much great information you have put into the articles about the album's songs, it should be very easy to do! :) And the "Like a Virgin" era should be interesting, you'll have a ton of fun finding hilarious articles that overreact to the songs she released on the album. ;) One day I may try my hand at editing the "Lucky Star" article (That's my favorite Madonna song!) but for now I'll stick to helping everyone else out, while still working on getting No Jacket Required ready for a featured article review. :) Have a good one! CarpetCrawler (talk) 18:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your incredible work on pages regarding singles by Madonna, I award you this barnstar. Keep up the incredible work! CarpetCrawler (talk) 03:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wooooooooooooo. Thanks Carpet. My first Barnstar!!!!! I'm so happy. Love u. --Legolas (talktome) 03:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. :) Keep up the fantastic work! CarpetCrawler (talk) 03:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats

Im a changin my third eye. I also love curry and currymunchers. Congrats. on the barnstar. I saw some of your edits. Well done.I am Rorschach (talk) 04:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks but I believe I haven't acquianted you anywhere. Correct me if I'm wrong.--Legolas (talktome) 04:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, but I have seen you everywhere on the madonna and lady gaga articles. You do deserve it. Could you please help me on this site. I'm quite new so don't know much. I was about to leave this site and never come back.I am Rorschach (talk) 04:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No probs. Always welcome to ask for help. --Legolas (talktome) 04:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No Jacket Required

Hey there! Thanks for the note. :) I will look at your concern when I work on the things Realist2 had asked me to do. I'm quite honestly tempted to just remove the damn thing, because no matter where I put it (And believe me, I spent a good 20 minutes figuring out where to put the thing...) it always interrupts the flow. I'm going to ask Realist2 if it matters all that much if I remove it, since it's in the "Sussudio" article anyway. Have a good one! :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 05:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I always believe that music samples should be in the single pages, not in the album page and I follow that policy with my edits. So I think if its there in "Sussudio" no need to have it in the NJR article. PS, I don't know why but La Isla Bonita is still unlooked at GAN. :-( --Legolas (talktome) 05:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll go ahead and do that when I edit the article. :) And I know why it's taking so long: unfortunately, the Wiki GAN page ALWAYS has a huge backlog. Right now, there are 215 articles in that page that still have yet to be reviewed, and there's an article from February that still hasn't had a review! The big problem is that there are more people nominating articles than there are reviewing. I myself review articles, and it's an incredibly long process. If you wait patiently, you will get your review. It took 11 days for someone to review No Jacket Required, but almost a month for someone to review "Captain Jack (song)" and 3X3. The guys over there are ALWAYS looking for volunteers to even take some time out to review even just one article. The problem is that to review an article takes a LOT of time, as you have to check the verifiability of sources, read the prose, see if anything is sloppy, check to see if all images qualify for fair use, see if there is enough information, and more. I personally find it fun, but I can see where people would feel exhausted, and even I can't do a ton per day. The most I can do is two per day, and usually I do just one. So basically, just wait patiently and someone will review your article! :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 05:57, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and I added a second reception section to the True Blue page. :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 21:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

edit summaries

Could I persuade you to use a different edit summary for the first-time insertion of a bad chart? Most of the first time insertions are good-faith mistakes from people that don't know the chart is on WP:BADCHARTS, so an edit summary of "revert vandalism" isn't appropriate. I just use an edit summary of "WP:BADCHARTS", because that provides the guideline. If I use rollback or a bare undo, I go over to the talk page and leave a message. User talk:201.209.224.71 shows the list I go through. You don't have to get that fancy, but please at least leave a WP:BADCHARTS link in the edit summary. If you don't do that, a good-faith newbie has no idea why you are removing his edit.—Kww(talk) 11:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will keep that in mind. --Legolas (talktome) 03:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Open Your Heart

File:Openwourheartwhosthatgirl.jpg This isn't "Open Your Heart". Alecsdaniel (talk) 14:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh is it? Probably my mistake then. --Legolas (talktome) 03:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You should upload other picture, and delete this one, don't you think? :-) Alecsdaniel (talk) 07:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I guess so. But I cannot delete, I'm not an admin. --Legolas (talktome) 08:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure you can find one around here to do that. Stifle for example. Alecsdaniel (talk) 08:44, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All Through the Night (Cyndi Lauper song)

Hi there! I hope you saw my edits to the True Blue page. :) I'm in the process of working on editing the song, "All Through the Night" by Cyndi Lauper, in my sandbox. I'm not good at finding references to charts. Would you be able to help me out in finding sources for all of the chart data in the article? Check out this link right here, which has what I've worked on so far. If you don't have the time to do so, don't worry about it. :) Have a good one! :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 04:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey I saw your addition to True Blue. Its so good. Also I'll definitely help you out with the Cyndi Lauper song, one of my old favourites along with Time After Time. You can also check out hte referencs i have been using for the madonna pages. Cyndi's songs will be there in the same references. --Legolas (talktome) 04:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I LOVE "Time After Time"!! :) For some odd reason some Madonna fans hate Cyndi, and vice-versa. I never understood that, do you? :-/. Actually, I am a big fan of BOTH singers, so I guess I must be weird or something. :P But anyway, I would appreciate ANY help! There is an unsourced statement about her music video that I left in there, because I would certainly love to cite it. I am pretty much looking for anything that anyone can add. :) I think it's so cool that thhere's a small list of people working on articles of musicians from this time period. :) Have a good one! Also, I'm trying to review articles older than "La Isla Bonita", so that it can move up the list. :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 04:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a big fan of both but bigger maybe for Madonna. I was born 85, time when both of them rose like phoenix. That's why I thought Madonna articles needed special attention and thought of developing them. I should thank both you and Frcm1988 for teaching me good editing for GA. I'll help you out. I'm good at finding info from books. --Legolas (talktome) 05:00, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the 80's were wonderful for both of them! The 90's for Cyndi though... not so good for the poor gal. :( I'm glad Cyndi's finally found her niche, though. Her two latest singles "Same Ol' Story" and "Into the Nightlife" (Which I LOVE!) were number one hits on the Billboard dance charts! And I agree that Madonna's articles need special attention, I feel the same way for a lot of artists! There are too many legendary artists, like Madonna, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Cyndi Lauper, Huey Lewis and the News, and others, that had stub articles before I joined up Wikipedia. I've been doing everything I can to even get some of these articles to start or C class, and am so happy others are finally doing the same. :) It's a long process, but to me it's worth it in the end. I mean, the music section of Wikipedia to me was the one section that had the least quality articles. SO glad that's changing. :) Thank you for your help, I appreciate any help I can get! :) Don't look in Maury Dean's book, though. I know he didn't write anythin about "All Through the Night". Well, he did, but not in the book. He was my professor last semester (What a kind sweet man. :)) and one of our papers was our ten greatest songs of all time (Hardest assignment EVER!) He said that the song was a "gorgeous hymn ballad," on the paper, but I doubt you can cite a student's paper. :( All well. Have a great one and thank you for any help you can give me! :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 05:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He he. no, we definitely cannot use a student's paper. So that means you are a student right? What are you studying? I miss my college days :( Well I studied Chemical Engineering and atpresent in IT. PS I'll definitely find out something for the song. Don't worry. --Legolas (talktome) 05:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I'm a student. :) It's what gives me the great resources that I have to research for articles! My campus library has a full archive of Newsday articles, which was a lifesaver for the No Jacket Required article. Actually, I am doing my best to sign up for Maury Dean's "History of Rock & Roll" course that he teaches on this campus. I had him for Mass Media, which was a tamer version of his History of R&R course, so I will be SO excited if I can get in! I am currently majoring in Journalism, but in the fall I am doing what I should have done originally, and changing that major to Psychology, and I'm minoring in IT (Cool, just like you! :D). I love college, it's fun. :) And great, as you know, I would appreciate anything you can add to the article! :) Thank you so much! CarpetCrawler (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Frcm found references for the charts, so you don't need to research for that. However, I am looking for ANYTHING, especially things about the song. :) Have a good one (It's 3:30 A.M. there?! It's 6:30 P.M here!) CarpetCrawler (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Outdent)Ohh OK. Then I'll add some info regarding the Writing and inspiration of the song. Its 5.15 pm here now.--Legolas (talktome) 11:45, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OMG!! Thank you so much for your wonderful addition! The article is looking so much better now! :) And why the long face, True Blue is a great album! :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 03:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I am not feeling that well today and haven't been able to develop the last few days, hence the long face. If I'm able to then today i'll add about the music video. Sorry for the delay. --Legolas (talktome) 03:42, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Aw, you poor thing. :( I hope you get better! And do NOT apologize for anything! Feel free to take as much time as you need. I am in no hurry. :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 03:45, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lady Gaga

Maybe you think you are Mr. Wikipedia, or that this is your personal page or something, but it is not. It's not YOU who judges which countries are more important than others. In fact, I gave you a link where you can see that Spain is a bigger market than Ireland, New Zealand, etc... If you can't read it's not my problem. If you keep removing things and acting as if this was your personal blog, it will be me who will write to an administrator so that YOU will be blocked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.11.46.0 (talk) 15:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaallllllllllllyyy don't care. I already stated reasons at the talk page. --Legolas (talktome) 15:53, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feel better!

CarpetCrawler (talk) has given you balloons! Balloons are meant to uplift the morale of people with an illness, and has hopefully made your day a little better. Spread good health by giving someone else who is a bit ill a balloon.

Spread the good health by adding {{subst:Balloons}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

 :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 05:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Thanks man!! --Legolas (talktome) 05:52, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. :) I hope you noticed Frcm's comments about the recent article you nominated for GA. I know you can fix those concerns in no time. :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 05:54, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, no, I know that. :) I meant that Frcm just a about a half an hour ago sent you a message with a list of concerns they had. I hope you saw them so that you can fix those concerns. In fact, if you need any help I can lend a hand! :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 06:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oops! Somehow I missed it. I will make it better don't worry. --Legolas (talktome) 06:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Glad you're feeling better. :) Other than that, how have you been? CarpetCrawler (talk) 22:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Was really not well. Now that I've come back I'll be editing more. But somehow I'm stuck at the True Blue album :(. Can;t find enough concrete information for hte developemnt. Oh well lets hope for the best. --Legolas (talk2me) 05:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Outdent) One thing you could try is to add information from the articles about the singles, into the main album article. That can help the article out. Unfortunately, it's not that easy for songs that were not released as singles. Unless they're very famous, there's probably not much information available. It was a pain to do the same thing for No Jacket Required. I was lucky that Phil Collins had posted on his website's message board, where he answered questions from the fans, and a lot of his songs on the album were discussed by him. That's a problem with Wikipedia, they expect every album article to have a TON of information, when it's not that easy. Not enough wiki reviewers giving the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, I think you should try adding info about the singles into the article. Like composition, the history, the music videos, and such. Not a complete copy-paste job, but enough info to "beef up" the article, if you know what I mean. Have a good one, and I'll take a look at the article in a little while. :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 05:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Carpet. I did beef it up a little bit. Could you check it out a little? Its in my sandbox. Then you can tell me what else is missing, I still have to add Chart performance though, I will ask Frcm to help me out for that. He's good with charts. Also info related to the music videos I'll add it in the singles section. That will expand that also. Let me know sweeets~ :) --Legolas (talk2me) 03:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll take a closer look at the article later today. Sorry for not being around much today, I'm having a bit of a crummy day. :( I'll check it out as soon as possible! CarpetCrawler (talk) 10:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Crummy day?? Wooo. What happened? Even I'm having a crummy day too here on WP. Some user is hell bent on trolling me. --Legolas (talk2me) 11:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ooooh, I wish it was that easy, hon. There's a chica I'm crazy for, and she won't give me the time of day. :( So I've been sitting around reading and thinking of how the heck I'm going to tell her how I feel, and if I even should. It's a long story, we've been friends for awhile... Hope all is well with you in the relationship department. :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 11:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Normally I would prefer staying single, but to me this girl is wonderful. :) And I saw your meditation case... all anyone has to do is look at the user MoovieStarz' page, and see that the user has gone through this conflict multiple times before, and has ALSO accused those users of personal attacks as well. CarpetCrawler (talk) 11:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I know, it's very frustrating (And that is really cheap, the user only told that person because you had sent them a warning on their talkpage)! Just don't worry, though. Stay cool and civil, and don't resort to personal attacks or hostility, as YOU may be the one to get banned! :( Just make sure to keep a cool head, and someone will take a look and make the correct call. :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 11:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Outdent)Yeah, sockpuppets annoy me so much. The worst are the meatpuppets, the ones that are that to only pad votes. It's like, if they want to be on Wiki so badly, they should follow the rules like everyone else! Thanks, I am hoping I will too. Both her and I have a ton of things in common, but I guess I need to stop dropping hints to her. :P And cool! How did you like the US? :) I live in New York. CarpetCrawler (talk) 11:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ooooohhh! That sounds like fun! :) And I am now in love with the Lal Bagh Glass House! I love New York City. I am literally like an hour train ride from there. It's so much fun to just be there! And Bangalore looks GORGEOUS!!! :) Love that lake, too. And yes, True Colors, what a beautiful song! :) Cyndi has such gorgeous vocal chords. She gives me goosebumps when she says "So don't be AFRAID!!!" at the end. Holy moly! CarpetCrawler (talk) 11:45, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Glad you like it. Actually I'm from Calcutta but at present stay in Bangalore for my job. Miss my family badly. I haven't been able to edit properly my "True Blue" project because of that stupid user and his stupid comments. You should see the number of people he's canvassing like Love.Game, Child Funk and Ninjachucks not to mention a complete disregard for the policies which make up Wikipedia. It's so pathetic man! Anyways did you have the time to take a look. When I was in New York I stayed at 51st street MAnhattan, the Crumpet. It was so much fun. Met an awesome chick there! By the way what happened btw you and your Chica??? --Legolas (talk2me) 04:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ooooh, I am in love with the Vidyasagar Setu bridge picture! That bridge looks gorgeous! :) If I were you, I'd do my best to stay civil, and ignore the user if they decide to turn it into a petty bicker fight, which is what it looks like they're doing. I'm going to take a look at the "True Blue" album article right after I finish sending you this message. :) Sorry for not being around for a day or so, I've been busy! You were one street away from being in one of my favorite Billy Joel albums. :P RE: the girl. I sent her a Facebook message about how she was doing, and got no response. :( This was a few days ago, though, and sometimes she doesn't respond, so maybe she just forgot. I don't get to see her much in person, since we have hectic schedules! :( Right now I'm too shy to tell her anything, because she just broke up with her ex, and I don't want to seem like I'm trying to jump onto her... :-/ CarpetCrawler (talk) 20:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE. I checked out the article. It's looking good! However, the two quotes that are in one quotebox need to be separated into two boxes, and the "Jimmy Jimmy" one should be moved into the section that talks about it more. I also see some references I'm iffy about. For example, there's a reference to a Los Angeles Times article, but the citation doesn't have the title of the article. I could look for it for you, if you want. :) Content-wise it's looking good, and a few more extensions will make the sections look nice! As of right now it looks good, but just needs some adjustments and extensions. Also, were there any non-album B-sides? CarpetCrawler (talk) 20:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment, as you were involved in discussion

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Song_articles_incidents - Thanks! - eo (talk) 18:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Open Your..Virgin

Open Your Heart vs Like a Virgin. Do you believe me now? Upload other image, and leave that one orphane, so it will get deleted - since you didn't talk to any admin about it. Alecsdaniel (talk) 12:24, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edits

because i was at the concert on the fame ball tour and what was posted was inaccurate and not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.3.126 (talk) 14:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It doesnot matter if you went to the concert. Wikipedia goes for verifiability rather than truth. --Legolas (talk2me) 05:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Live Performances - LoveGame

Great work! The article is coming along well together now! Very clever idea to add the ban that Network Ten made to the music video. It sure does juice up the page and adds a little controversy! As you said, now we need to add live performances. I will take further look into the structure and formatting of La Isla Bonita's "Live Performance" section.

As far as I know, she has performed LoveGame on the MTV Sessions UK along with her other singles: Just Dance, Poker Face, Beautiful Dirty Rich and also at AOL Sessions. Obviously, she would of performed it at The Fame Ball Tour. Child Funk (talk) 22:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lady Gaga - Discography

  • I do believe that both of you have your points. The term "discography" has the given meaning of being a descriptive catalog of musical recordings. I believe that certifications don't necessarily associate with discography, therefore you are correct.
  • So your argument is that the certifications/music sales should not be included on Lady Gaga's discography page where as Mooviestarz thinks that they should be right? Correct me if i'm wrong because I may have incorrectly interpreted the discussion on the talk page.
  • Mooviestarz however isn't bad mouthing you, he just feels strongly about the issue raised and wants his view points to get across to you. Obviously, he simply feels frustrated.
My argument is certification should be included but only the major markets, however User:Mooviestarz instead is stating all possible charts and certifications should be included which I must say fails WP:FANCRUFT. If you notice I only added the major markets and told the others to add the certifications to the singles pages. If they expect me to beg them and tell, sorry I won't. I don't entertain forum like conversations in Wikipedia and if necessary I'll raise ANI. It's not my fault that he's frustrated that he'll start bad mouthing me saying "See guys! He owns the page" or "Ohh don't you know Saint Legolas". I won't tolerate such comments. --Legolas (talk2me) 06:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Ok, I see. So I can look further into the issue:

  • What music markets would you consider major?
  • Why would you consider the markets you have chosen to be major?
  • What extra music markets has Mooviestarz inputed into the article that you consider not to be major?

If you can answer those questions, i'll review each and give you my personal opinion on issue.

Child Funk (talk) 06:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well US, UK, Aus, Can, Ger are the five major music markets. I consider them because IFPI publishes such statistics. What Mooviestarz wants is to put all the countries and certifications. --Legolas (talk2me) 06:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, well I supose you are very correct but it's a little unfair to the other countries don't you think? We need equality as we can't be bias and favour the 5 major music markets while excluding the smaller ones. Wikipedia is visited by many globaly yet the discography page only appeals to those living in the 5 out of nearly 200 countries in the world. I'm really confused. I see where your coming from but then I see what Mooviestarz is also trying to convey. childfunk. (chat) 07:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify - where exactly does it say in WP policies/guidelines/previous FLCs, that only the top 5 music markets should be published? Yes, they are more notable, but they aren't the only countries with notable charts, etc. As long as there is a reliable source, there shouldn't be a problem with including it. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 07:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comments. We don't want only the 5 major music markets. But since it is a discography page and will include every single and albums the artist has released, hence don't you think it will clutter the page if we include all the countries and certifications? For the particular single page it is fine but to include all of them in the disco page will indeed be overaddition. Thats what I meant. Even we reached a consensus that 10 major countries are to be listed but for certiifcations I said 5 major. --Legolas (talk2me) 07:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I see what you meant. It would be cluttered as Lady Gaga has achieved major internatioanl sucess now. As you said, we can put additional certifications on the actual articles for each of those singles released acheiving high sucess! childfunk. (chat) 08:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that you don't want the page to be cluttered, however i do not believe that you should go to such lengths to restrict the amount of charts. Having more charts and/or certifications is only to going to do the artist's success more justice. 10 is really a minimal number, there is nothing wrong with having 15-20 really, it doesn't impede. You just need to compromise with the other editors, go through one by one and make a unananimous decision. As for the certifications, it probably depends on where you decide to put them, if they stay in the singles table as they are now, you're going to struggle to put more than 2 down for each song (which really isn't doing justice to the success of "Poker Face" or "Just Dance", I wouldn't have thought anyway). k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 08:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Even I understood what you mean, but we already reached a consensus that we will be using 10 countries in the country list as stated by a previous discussion above. However as you must have noticed, instead of discussing this issue one user started bad mouthing me and Wikipedia. That really annoyed me. If this continues I plan to go to ANI. This kind of behaviour needs to stop. As for the certifications, I don't care how many they put, but the thing is that each and every time, wrong or non-permanent or bad references are being put, which I have removed. Therein lies all their angst against me.*shrug* --Legolas (talk2me) 08:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I have been experimenting and have finally gained the knowledge to actually create a signature using html :) childfunk.(chat) 09:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just want to thank the people on this page as they seem to understand what I and others have been trying to say. The problem as is evident from what is said above is that Legolas just doesn't bother reading what I have written or just doesn't seem to understand what I have written. It is obvious from numerous comments that you really haven't read anything I have said. Maybe I needed to clarify my position. But it seems that people like Childfunk seem to understand the ideas I am trying to convey, so it begs the question, why can't you. It was stated that we didn't have good German charts to go by. So I offered 3 that I have saved. Two of those are actually the same chart. I then am told that they aren't good charts, without any reason why. So I asked why they weren't considered good charts and I get told to take the discussion elsewhere. I offer a suggestion that we limit the countries on the discography page, but give a full listing of available peak positions on the pages for those songs. I did not suggest that the certifications not be on the discography page. I just suggested that they should be listed below the singles and not be listed in with them. It makes the chart look cluttered and messy. This way they take up less space and the lay out for the chart looks more professional. I and others again are given an attitude for making any suggestion. Legolas, I don't want to argue with you and I don't think anyone else does either. Just take the time to understand what I and other have written. If you are not sure you understand what we are trying to convey, then please ask questions for clarification. It helps no one on here to respond with an attitude. We don't have to agree, but we should be able to understand where the other is coming from. You claim you have not been rude to me or others on the page, but please tell me how you would feel if someone responded the way you did. Because whether you think you said something wrong or not, your replies did insult me. Telling someone to Take it elsewhere can be only taken so many ways. There was a better way to say the same thing without coming across as rude. As I said I don't want to fight. I want to help in what way I can with my knowledge of the music charts. So please If I or someone else asks for clarification as to why something is being done a certain way, deleted, reverted etc. Take the time to answer in a way that doesn't come across as rude or inconsiderate. Because that is the way I & others are interpreting it regardless of how you may feel you have written it. There is a better way to talk to people here. Please take the time to read your responses before you send them. It's obvious numerous people beside me are taking them the wrong way as well. (MoovieStarz (talk) 19:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]

The problem with your German charts was that you were posting at the wrong place. You should have posted at the WP:CHARTS section where I redirected you, but instead you are now accusing me of not reading your comments. Posting it at the Gaga discography page will do no good as I strictly follow the WP:GOODCHARTS and anything which violates a guideline cannot be allowed. As I said before, if you expect me to beg of you and say it, sorry I won't. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What's the problem with the German Charts? It's a simple chart to reference... This site has a good search feature and linkable results. Singles, Albums, Collaboration with O Donis. As for the singles certifications being positioned below the charts table, perhaps this would be a worthy compromise until the page goes up for peer review or FLC, then it can be decided either way. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 04:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing. I admit its a good chart but the user needed to discuss in the project page first. What he was actually doing was starting a discussion in the Lady Gaga discography talkpage for which I told him Take it to the WP:CHARTS page,not here. God knows how that is offending. Too much drama. --Legolas (talk2me) 05:03, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

re: Lady Gaga discography

Hey, I havent been involved with this, so I'll read everything and get caught up. Do you have a mediator for it yet? I obviously should not mediate due to my past history with him. - eo (talk) 14:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No Eric, I'm afraid no mediater has come and the user has now resorted to canvassing other users like Love.Game, Child Funk and Ninjachucks not to mention a complete disregard for the policies which make up Wikipedia. Its like the same situation with you, anything not by his way the user starts his ranting. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just letting you know I'm keeping an eye on this, even though you have stepped aside. I see my name was mentioned and if I feel that my 2007 experience with MoovieStarz is relevant enough I will chime in. Later. - eo (talk) 17:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LoveGame by Lady Gaga - Music Video Screenshot

Great!

Just one query though,

Minimal usage. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information

  • In simpler terms, what exactly does that mean and what relation does it have to the resolution of the image?

Keep up the good work,
Happy editing!

childfunk.(chat) 07:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops sorry my mistake, i meant WP:NFCC#3b. Don't worry I'll correct the image. --Legolas (talk2me) 07:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the correction
It looks fantastic on the article!
childfunk.(chat) 08:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Goals - Poker Face / / LoveGame

I would be honored to help out. As we can't use Youtube as a reference, it will be rather difficult in finding some revelant information that we can input into the article. There are several interviews in which she states the background of the song (those being similar to the ones we have already listed on the article as of right now.) As far as I know, it's about the gamble of love and some of her desires. I'll tackle the issue in a deeper aproach so that I may help you expand the article.

New Zealend, hmmm! It has increased in digital downloads and has hit the Top 100 Songs on the NZ iTunes store but as far as airplay goes, I absolutely have no idea. Generally, New Zealend tends to follow the music that we play over here in Australia so if airplay increases here, then it most likely will over there aswel. Hopefully, some chart or airplay statistics will be released to the public sometime during the next week..

Anyway, i'll try and work on both whenever i'm online on Wikipedia.
childfunk.(chat) 12:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:LoveGame Single.jpg

Please note that I have cancelled the PUF listing of this file. PUF is for listing files which are tagged as free but where there is a dispute as to whether they are actually free. Files tagged as non-free can't be listed there; if you feel a file doesn't meet the non-free content criteria, tag it as {{subst:dfu|reason}}. Stifle (talk) 13:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

True Blue album

Ok I will try to do the chart performance, although I don't have much experience with albums. Regards Frcm1988 (talk) 20:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fame Ball Tour :: Images

Wikipedia's policy clearly states non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose.'. You are reverting other editors edits over displaying a poster in the article. There are several free images provide in the article it self that superseeds a non-free images. Please do turn molehill into a mountain. Grantruly (talk) 21:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dance-pop

Hi. I've noticed you are pretty good at backtracing accounts to see if they are socks. What is Love.game or whats-his-name doing wrong? I looked at the contribs and they didn't seem bad to me. Carabera (talk) 00:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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