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Instrument?

This article mentions twice that he is a musician. Does anybody know what instrument he plays? It would be appropriate to add Lochok 10:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to IMDb, the french horn. Which makes sense as that the only instrument his character of Charles Emmerson Winchester on M*A*S*H was ever seen to play.

No credit for his role in the Perry Mason movies?

I can't find the name of the character he played in those movies anywhere in Wikipedia.--Will 04:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External Links

The fan site listed in External Links is bad. This should be checked periodically and if it is still not valid after a time, the link should be removed. Kwyjibear 04:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Married?

Why no personal info? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.110.221.182 (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

As well, IMDB mentions a child born in the 60's. Proxy User (talk) 03:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He recently revealed he is gay. --Another Believer _(Talk) 19:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gay?

The assertion that he came out as gay will need to be supported by multiple reliable sources before it can be added to this article. This is a major assertion that needs multiple concrete, reliable sources to adhere to WP:BLP. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 22:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the editor who first added the information and did so with the assurances of the writer for Gossip Boy that they stood by the interview. I'm looking into it more now, it's quite possible that amidst all the staff at Nancy Seltzer some did not what the others were doing, like setting up interviews. It happens. I'll refrain from posting more until I have more concrete info. Portia327 (talk) 22:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Movies/story?id=7518323&page=1 SChaos1701 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Once again, all the MSM stories I've found link back to the Gossip Boy story, which is denied by DOS's publicist and isn't being steadfastly corroborated by the editors at Gossip Boy. All I can get out of them is, "We stand by the revelations made in the story."; reply to me via email from someone called Lucas at Gossip Boy. I'm starting to wish I hadn't updated the article..Live and learn I guess. Portia327 (talk) 01:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source for where the publicist denies the story? - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 01:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they do so on his Discussion page here at Wiki. I personally believe he did the interview and the info is good as written, but that's not up to Wiki standards. It enables him to get the info he wants out there and take back what might hurt his career. Perhaps he's waiting to see Disney's reaction before admitting or denying the article? Dunno. Portia327 (talk) 01:35, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edit conflict: It appears that the only denials were in edit summaries by User:NSAPR on this article here and here. That user claims to be the publicist on their talk page. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 01:37, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Mufka, my Wiki-link fu is weak. Portia327 (talk) 01:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's looking like User:NSAPR isn't really DOS' publicist. I just called Nancy Seltzer & Associates at their NY number (212-307-0117), and the woman I talked to said that to the best of her knowledge, Nancy Seltzer & Associates does not represent DOS. She said the only possibility might be "if they were doing something with him out of the LA office" that she didn’t know about. I tried calling NS&A’s LA office (at 323-938-3562), but they aren’t open yet this morning. Red Act (talk) 14:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Red Act. That seems odd that someone would go to such trouble if they weren't for real, but certainly stranger things (Hitler Diaries, etc) have happened. Portia327 (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, I was wrong. I just called the LA office of Nancy Seltzer & Associates, and spoke with Nancy Seltzer herself. They do indeed represent David Ogden Stiers. I didn't ask about the NSAPR user name specifically, since she said she has underlings dealing with Wikipedia, so I figured she wouldn't know about what user name her underlings were using. But she did say that they are very unhappy about Wikipedia having used Gossip Boy as an ultimate source, and blames Wikipedia having relied on Gossip Boy as being the reason why ABC News and MSNBC felt free to go ahead and publish this as a story. She said that she really prefers that DOS' WP article not say anything at all about his personal life, until DOS has decided what to do about the current media coverage. Red Act (talk) 16:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Red Act, you've gone above and beyond on this and I really appreciate your work and tenacity. I don't know that Wiki has the power Ms. Seltzer claims, unless one acknowledges that salacious news sells better than no news; then Wiki could certainly be compelling as an ultimate source for the MSM. Should there be any mention of Gossip Boy's article in DOS' Wiki page, either as unverified or a potential hoax? Portia327 (talk) 16:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We should leave it out altogether per WP:BLP until something verifiable comes along. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 16:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That it's published and referred to him is verified, though. I think the mention of it happening, being picked up by the mainstream media and ultimately being flatly denied by his publicist would keep most people (not the clueless vandal variety, of course) from adding the info to his page. I'm thinking ahead of trying to block potential edit-warring with well-meaning (?) newbs who don't read a Talk Page before they edit. Is that reasonable or allowed? Portia327 (talk) 16:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know what you're saying but BLP policy says if it's being denied, we can't add it, even though evey major news source in the world is now reporting it. I'll also say that Nancy Seltzer should learn how Wikipedia works before spouting off at the lip when she said she "blames Wikipedia having relied on Gossip Boy as being the reason why ABC News and MSNBC felt free to go ahead and publish this as a story". It was actually the other way around.. we used ABC News and MSNBC as the source because they published the story before it was even put in Wikipedia. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 16:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair to Ms. Seltzer, I added the info the day Gossip Boy posted their article, April 29. Then ABC, etc picked it up over the weekend and Monday-ish, best I can tell. I re-red the BLP page and I see that it stresses being conservative about personal information. It was a mistake for me to add it before getting secondary corroboration; I've learned a valuable lesson. I don't look forward to the reverts that are going to happen for the next month or so to DOS' page but I'll do my best to get to them as fast as possible and hope it dies down by the 4th of July. I appreciate all the input, effort and patience of everyone here who's been on top of this. Portia327 (talk) 17:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, even if ABC and MSNBC picked it up over the weekend, I'd hardly blame us for it, they being the big and mighty news organizations that they are one would think they would get confirmation instead of relying on what's in a Wikipedia article. God himself has told publicly news organizations that they should always verify anything they find on Wikipedia before reporting it. As for the content additions, if we get much more drive-by additions of the content, we can always request full protection for a month. No one will be able to edit it but it will also keep the BLP violations out. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 17:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is over 112 news outlets covering this story including BBC News, CNN, MSNBC & E!. Therefore there is no reason whatsoever this shouldnt be included, if you are unsure of whether this should be included contact an Administrator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottydog77 (talk • contribs) 13:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly appreciate that this is frustrating to you, but if you take a moment and read this talk page and the linked letter from the actor's publicist, and then look at the numerous articles in the mainstream media and see that they all go back to the disputed Gossip Boy article, you'll understand that until there is third-party corroboration the information will not be allowed on his Wiki page. I'm sorry that this has frustrated you, it has me as well. Portia327 (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Protected: I have protected the page from editing until this issue is ironed out. It appears that all of the reports are based on the same interview and it is prudent to use extra care in making these statements in the article. Either way, it is very likely that we will see a published statement from the subject himself that will resolve the issue. There is no hurry in publishing this information and there is no harm in waiting to look into any denials - all of which must be taken seriously. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 14:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Mufka. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 18:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks seconded! Portia327 (talk) 18:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC) Its highly unlikely we are going to see any confirmation or non confirmation about this subject, the story is out there. Wiki policy is shit on that basis as are we to believe that ABC, NBC, BBC are going to retrack the story...no of course not[reply]