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Korean name for Korea?

Korea original name is Chosun from ( Ko-Chosun Kingdom/ Puyo Kingdom in center of Manchuria/ North Korea). Korean word for Han-guk is modern Korean name for Korea.

Ko-Chosun: Chosun Dynasty 500 years. 1910 Korea was named Chosun. Korguryo, Koryo, Korea. Modern day Korea derived from Two Korean Kingdoms ( Korguryo Kingdom, Koryo Kingdom). Two Korea states after Korean War: North Korea: Chosun. South Korea: Hanguk ( Modern day Korean name). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korean1net (talk • contribs) 02:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


What is Korea called in the Korean language? The Korean page uses "한국" in Hangul, and "韓國" in Hanja, and also "조선" in Hangul and "朝鮮" in Hanja. I think the second one is "Choson" or something like that, the name in Japanese for the first one is "Kankoku" and the second one "Chōsen" (which I why I think it's Choson). moocowsrule(Talk to Moo) 22:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wiktionary.com says the name is "Hanguk" and the other one is "Joseon". moocowsrule(Talk to Moo) 22:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added the names for Korea before the split, and for both the two names after :) - RyukWar

Koreans generally refer to Korea as Hangook (한국). Joseon is the name of a former dynasty.--119.149.173.3 (talk) 11:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC) korea name is '한국'[reply]

POV on North Korea

I noticed that the first paragraph is possibly POV, stating that North Korea is a member of the Axis of evil (which is the term coined by GWB and doesn't have enough significance to be mentioned) and that North Korea is a rogue state (again, this is a term applied only by the US) so I put a NPOV template on the article.Kenneth Vergil (talk) 05:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. This article is not about "United States opinions of North Korea" nor about "One of the few notable things ever said by George W. Bush." Steve Dufour (talk) 01:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Needles Edit Warring

The edit warring on this page is ridiculous. There's no reason why by now editors shouldn't have at least tried to discuss consensus on the talk page. There's a three-revert rule for a reason, and it's been completely disregarded here. I'm nominating this page for semi-protection, and hope that consensus can be reached on what the dablink, amongst some of the other backs and forth here, should finally say. —— Digital Jedi Master (talk) 05:46, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merriam webster definition of "civilization": 1 a: a relatively high level of cultural and technological development  ; specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained b: the culture characteristic of a particular time or place

Lots of universities have courses on "Korean civilization": http://www.indiana.edu/~korean/koreanstudies.html http://depts.washington.edu/asianll/lang_degs/prog_korean.html http://eastasianstudies.missouri.edu/courses.html http://www.registrar.ucla.edu/archive/catalog/2001_03/catalog-229.htm http://www.eastasian.ucsb.edu/content/courses_korean.html http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/ealc/undergraduate/ealc.html

I don't know what the guy's beef with Korea is, but the introduction sentence about "Korea is a civilization ... " has been stable for ages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koreaeditor (talk • contribs) 15:46, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no beef on whether it's a civilization or not. The problem is the sentence is grammatically incorrect: "Korea is a civilization, formerly unified nation..." Add to that, it already says that this is an article about the Korean civilization. Why add a redundancy that isn't needed and incorrect grammar at that? —— Digital Jedi Master (talk) 03:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence is grammatically correct.

  • Korea is a [1] civilization
  • [Korea is a] [2] formerly unified nation, and
  • [Korea is a] [3] geographic area ...

The three concepts are placed in a series, with the identical implied subject and verb. So the sentence is properly formed as "Korea is a [1] civilization, [2] formerly unified nation, and [3] geographic area ..."

The sentence at the top is a disambiguation notice about the page navigation, not a part of the topic of "Korea." The first sentence of the article about Korea (not necessarily the first printed words on the web page) should fully describe what Korea is, including the fact that it is a civilization.

Adding "civilization" is necessary to fully describe the topic, because the topic of this article includes the society and culture before and after the formerly unified nation, and also occupied geographic areas more or less than the peninsula, depending on the historical period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koreaeditor (talk • contribs) 13:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If it is felt that some reference to the notion of Korea as a culture is "necessary to fully describe the topic" then perhaps someone can try to find a better form of words to express it, but that is not how the word "civilization" is used in English. France is a nation, a country, a state, etc. It is even at a stretch possible to say that France is a culture, though it is more usual to refer to "French culture". However, France is not a civilization: that is not how the word is used in English. Exactly the same applies to China, Australia, Japan, Peru, etc etc. Korea is no different in this respect. At the moment I cannot think of anything better than "Korea is a culture": would that be acceptable to both sides? Or can anyone think of a better form of words? JamesBWatson (talk) 20:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, China says it is a civilization, and above you can see major universities have courses about "Korean civilization." I think it's a little different from France, because Korea is not a current country (there is no dispute that South Korea is completely described as a country) but a region with changing boundaries throughout a long, ancient history, with a record of early writing and cultural development. If you search for Japanese civilization or French civilization, you can see many Wikipedia articles refer to such. As for culture, there is a separate article on Korean culture, and as with China, Chinese culture is a subtopic of China, the civilization.

If you look at the history of this page, you will see that only one anonymous editor with two ip addresses has been continuously vandalizing this, olive and some other Croatia-related pages, so persistently that he has been blocked. This page, with the "civilization" introduction, has been stable and without dispute until that editor since February 2006. There is no dispute among editors, and if you would like to begin a discussion, I would suggest we try to gain consensus before changing. Thanks. Koreaeditor (talk) 12:11, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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