Talk:John Carter (ER)

Additional Romantic interest?

Sorry if I'm using the wrong page but there is another romantic intrest for Dr. Carter. Rebecca de Mornay played his brother's or cousins' ex-wife (Elaine Nichols) and they were romaticly involved while she was undergoing tests for breast cancer. She ended the relationship after she found out he knew of her diagnoses. I think is was in 1999. I am not sure of the specifics but I am sure of the plot line. I don't know how to edit an article so please accept my apologies if this action is wrong..Cizukev 14:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

moved to its own talk section AddMan3001 (talk) 14:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

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Carter was still Chief Resident in season 9

I know it doesn't make sense because he was already CR in season 8, but he is still clearly referred to as Chief Resident in late s9 (i.e. 2003) so I guess it's a mistake on the show's part. I've already made this clear in my edit summaries but this has been willfully ignored. Jerkov (talk) 22:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you that the show made a mistake. Actually he has been the chief resident since the last episodes of season seven, so he kept this position through almost 2 years. Takeit10 (talk) 02:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually he didn't become CR until a few episodes into season 8, after Chen quit. That was in 2001. Jerkov (talk) 07:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

You guys do realize, don't you, that Carter was NEVER formally hired as an Attending. They just slyly made him one in one episode so he could get tenure in the most bogus way possible. So if you're strictly accurate, he should be listed as a shift doctor after S9. Drmargi (talk) 03:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

One reference by a clerk in one episode does not make Carter an attending for the season. We never saw him hired (and yes, he does have to be hired - it's not an automatic promotion) or heard any discussion of his being hired. We just heard Jerry call him an attending once late in the season in what might just as easily have been a continuity error. Seek consensus, add a note in the narrative or something else appropriate, but it is not accurate to describe him as an attending from 2002 on. He wasn't an attending at any time in 2002. He was Chief Resident, having extended his residency (and training period) by a year that wouldn't end until June, 2003. Drmargi (talk) 14:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

In all honesty, while he's probably CR for most of season 9, I do think the beginning year for his Attending status should be changed from 2004 to 2003. I think it makes more sense to assume that he was hired as an Attending in the 2003 half of s9 off-screen than to assume it was a continuity error that Jerry called him one, especially with Occam's Razor in mind. Simplest explanation is generally the most likely, right? Jerkov (talk) 23:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll look into the claim that Abby refers to him as an Attending in episode 9x07 (Nov. 2002). In the meantime, how about we stop edit warring? Jerkov (talk) 13:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I've got the right page to report the edit warring now. I'm not sold on a couple stray references by his girlfriend and a clerk making Carter an attending. There's been long-term, uncontroversial consensus among editors here that Carter was CR in S9. What is the context of each reference? That's important, given that a S9 major plot point was that Carter remained as CR because he couldn't get an attending job. I might agree to 2003 were Q103josh to engage in discussion and a good case made, but for now, no change until he does. Drmargi (talk) 16:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I watched episode 9x07, which aired in 2002. There's a scene where Abby shows her brother's medical papers, which she illegally acquired by putting in Carter's name as the treating Attending. While this could be unrealiable since Abby forged the info, it should be noted that Carter says "You forged my name" and not "You forged my name AND authorative position"; you'd think he would've mentioned that. I'm beginning to get the impression that Q102josh may actually be correct on this and the consensus should be reviewed. That doesn't change anything about Josh's conduct during the editing process though; all criticisms about his refusal to discuss still stand and Drmargi is still wholly justified to report him for edit warring. Josh may be right, but he ruined things for himself by acting the way he did. Jerkov (talk) 20:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, no go. We're weighing two minor references against a major plot point. Your interpretation, while reasonable, is in the territory of original research. You can't draw a conclusion from a scene where the emphasis was on Abby's forgery, not the accuracy of Carter's title. Drmargi (talk) 20:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. I do think Occam's Razor dictates it's most likely he was an Attending at that point, but I'm gonna stop pursuing this since I feel like I'm doing Q102josh's work for him. Jerkov (talk) 20:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Occam's Razor is fine up to the point where we wander into original research. That's my concern. The main plot line had Carter continuing as Chief Resident; minor lines of dialogue confuse the issue, to be sure, but once we start overthinking this, we're beyond fact and into interpretation. And that's original research. Mind, I'm not suggesting Carter wasn't at some point finally hired as an attending during S9. But we need to do two things: 1. get the edit warring under control so we can reach consensus and 2. stop depending on this line or that line and look at the overall story for the season. Once that's done, if we decide Carter left his CR position at some point and became an attending, so be it. Drmargi (talk) 22:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

"John Carter is the only lead character in the series who has interacted with all the show's series regular characters."

Is this for sure? Weaver was a contemporary of virtually all regular characters between 1995 and 2007. I haven't seen the 2009 series finale yet; did she interact with Banfield and Brenner? If so, Carter is not the only character who interacted with all other regular characters. Jerkov (talk) 18:42, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

NGO Luka and Carter Worked With

The organization Luka and later Carter worked for was a fictional group called Alliance Medicines (Doctors Alliance), not Doctors WIthout Borders (Medicines Sans Frontieres). Luka does talk about having worked with DWOB in Bosnia in an earlier season, and When he first mentions Carter going he suggests DWOB. However, when we see Luka in Africa in "Kissangani", he's wearing ID and a shirt that clearly identify the group as Alliance Medicines. Check the episode "The Lost" (10x02) for a clear view of Luka's ID. DWOB's name is copyrighted, and ER most likely did not have permission to use it. Drmargi (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)